Deformities in Gulf Seafood Found After BP Oil Spill - Polidicks

I find it hard to believe those animals had horrible mutations and lesions before the oil spill. Someone doesn't want another shitstorm.

[QUOTE=Raptor_Girl;35633953]It's actually a pretty big problem. Shrimp are not only important scavengers, they're also at the lower end of the food chain. With them showing deformities, they could easily have a build up of whatever substance is causing them to be deformed. Which could harm organisms higher up on the food chain. Similar to fish and mercury.[/QUOTE] I think you misunderstand...yes, the chemicals will be transferred to organisms higher up the food chain, but natural selection will take care of most things....the exception being rare species, which may be killed off in some areas The shrimp will eventually return to normal, and the organisms higher up the food chain will follow through natural selection. If all Cod fish lost their eyes, for example, they're not going to last very long. The remaining ones with eyes will prosper and repopulate with correct senses

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35631746]Well we fucked up. Huzzah us![/QUOTE] No, [i]we[/i] didn't fuck up. BP did and we're paying for it. [editline]19th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Penultimate;35631753]That is really disturbing, but not too surprising. Are they safe to eat?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=OvB;35631806]I'm not sure we'll be 100% certain that they are. We've been eating them for two years now. Not sure if there's been any illnesses from the shrimp that appear to be healthy.[/QUOTE] Their deformities and mutations were brought about by long term exposure, over several generations, to petroleum compounds and chemicals. I would not eat them, but if you insist upon it, it should be okay in small amounts. But I'd recommend NOT eating large amounts of gulf seafood for extended periods of time. [editline]19th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jorori;35632816]Individuals with hindering mutations die, and the following generations have relatively better-adapted individuals. That's it[/QUOTE] I don't think I want to be eating seafood that is adapted to deal with large amounts of pollutants, especially petroleum chemicals. Because it means that they're still in their system. [i]I[/i] am not adapted, like the Fish slowly will be, to ingest these chemicals.

They should make that entire area a EPA superfund site.

[QUOTE=ryasnack1;35632725]This pisses me the fuck off, this is mass scale rape of the fucking aquatic life in the gulf. It was probably the chemicals they added to make the water seem clear. Add on top of this aquatic dead zones due to fertilizers and the poisoning of the earth with our synthetic chemicals. The gulf is going to be devoid of fucking life other then algae. [editline]19th April 2012[/editline] How the hell does natural selection fix this? It's fucking contaminated.[/QUOTE] Simple thing: No eyes -> Easier prey. No claws -> Not much of a competitor for fertile females. Simple as that, the weak will be perished.

One of my classmates just got his apprenticeship as a welder at one of BP's oil rigs. "Never heard about the oil-spill", he said. :suicide:

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35634086]I don't think I want to be eating seafood that is adapted to deal with large amounts of pollutants, especially petroleum chemicals. Because it means that they're still in their system. [i]I[/i] am not adapted, like the Fish slowly will be, to ingest these chemicals.[/QUOTE] That's another question, adaptations do not guarantee (immediate) edibility, the habitat condition does. To guarantee it you must get rid of all the mess, as long as there's still pollution you cannot use those shrimps as food

Is there any proof that it's actually caused by the oil? Not trying to say it isn't, but it seems like they've just found some mutated fish and are presuming it's because of the oil spill. Can oil even cause mutations? (Found this on a website about oil and mutations) 'When contaminants such as oil enter the cells of organisms, they can interfere with the intricate molecular machinery involved in normal function. For example, the development process from a simple fertilized egg to a complex adult organism is quite susceptible to chemical toxins. Even low levels of exposure to some chemicals can lead to developmental abnormalities including physical deformities. It is important to distinguish between problems caused by chemical interference with normal developmental processes and mutations that could lead to new species of marine life.' Looks like it's just a one-off effect on the animals caused by the chemicals they encountered while young, not a proper genetic mutation.

BP went with the blue ending, oil and sealife have merged together to form new sealife.

Seeing those BP sponsored commercials saying everything is alright and that "everyone should head back to the gulf" piss me off, there's a lot wrong BP.

[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;35632000]This is disastrous. Yet nature is able to fix itself by natural selection in this case. But things like this shouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] yeah because a man-made contaminant polluting and decimating an ecosystem and causing further mutations can be totally resolved by natural selection and nothing else

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;35636145]yeah because a man-made contaminant polluting and decimating an ecosystem and causing further mutations can be totally resolved by natural selection and nothing else[/QUOTE] It's a process that takes time, like everything else. How else would this thing be fixed? Do you really think that e.g. a blind tiger would be able to survive long enough to pass his genes? Same thing here, humanity can't do much about genetic mutations. And it's been always like that: Something or someone gets born and then the whole situations drops down the shitter. Get Food, mate with a female, die. Third thing will happen for sure, but if you fuck up one of the first two, the third will surely come. Don't be so ignorant about the fact that nature is able to fix itself. I definitely know this is a catastrophe, but messing around even more might blow shit up even more than it's intended.

... We are terrible creatures. I know the spill wasn't intentional (though some dumb conspiracy theorists may disagree) but... What we do, what we make, and the things we put in the environment for our well being as other living creatures suffer, that's... ... Not to sound like PETA but... It's almost as if we would be better off not being here. I know that won't ever change unless within the time the human race still exists we develop the proper technology to travel to other planets, but even then, what would trigger a move would probably be, we've killed the planet and drained all it's resources.

The thing about genetic mutations is there can be perfectly healthy carriers that show no signs of the mutation, but pass it down to offspring that either show it, or are also just carriers. It's going to take an extremely long time to weed it out fully

[QUOTE=Amez;35636112]Seeing those BP sponsored commercials saying everything is alright and that "everyone should head back to the gulf" piss me off, there's a lot wrong BP.[/QUOTE] Capitalism is a system designed for sociopaths. [QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;35636835]... We are terrible creatures.[/QUOTE] I'm getting sick & tired for the blaming on humanity development. It's the system itself (Capitalism) we should be blaming not humans ourselves. Do not fall into this liberal trap.

[QUOTE=Nannak;35638266]I'm getting sick & tired for the blaming on humanity development. It's the system itself (Capitalism) we should be blaming not humans ourselves. Do not fall into this liberal trap.[/QUOTE] Blaming the system is still blaming humans. Because who made the system? Not other living creatures, that's for sure. Humans did. Humans built the oil rig (or even built the machines that built the rig), humans failed to safety check it properly, humans broke it, humans caused the spill. Humans were in charge of cleaning it up, humans were in charge of keeping the cleanup and cleanliness of the water in check. The only non human factor was the oil itself causing the mutation. But it was trapped underground, originally. Who brought it to the surface? Humans! ... All in all I'm not really going to just blame us for being us. I'm gonna blame that we're still kind of... Primitive, in a sense, none of the things we make or do are perfect and are bound to fail. We're just not evolved enough, and we haven't discovered enough to 100% prevent these kinds of messes. I don't see how "the system" has anything to do with human error on an oil rig in the middle of the gulf that blew up. Capitalism didn't make it blow up. Unless you're talking about funding for a proper cleanup, where in that case I can see more sense in what you said.

[QUOTE=ryasnack1;35632725]This pisses me the fuck off, this is mass scale rape of the fucking aquatic life in the gulf. It was probably the chemicals they added to make the water seem clear. Add on top of this aquatic dead zones due to fertilizers and the poisoning of the earth with our synthetic chemicals. The gulf is going to be devoid of fucking life other then algae. [editline]19th April 2012[/editline] How the hell does natural selection fix this? It's fucking contaminated.[/QUOTE] Because obviously natural selection will filter out the desirable mutant traits among these shrimp. [img]http://www.fearthegooberzilla.com/pics/ebirah02.JPG[/img]

[B]Fuck![/B] I literally just finished eating a shrimp platter!

[QUOTE=ryasnack1;35632725]This pisses me the fuck off, this is mass scale rape of the fucking aquatic life in the gulf. It was probably the chemicals they added to make the water seem clear. Add on top of this aquatic dead zones due to fertilizers and the poisoning of the earth with our synthetic chemicals. The gulf is going to be devoid of fucking life other then algae. [editline]19th April 2012[/editline] I understand the frustration, but you don't know what you are talking about in the least. I doubt sea life is going to end, it will bounce back. The question is how long. How the hell does natural selection fix this? It's fucking contaminated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;35635943]Is there any proof that it's actually caused by the oil? Not trying to say it isn't, but it seems like they've just found some mutated fish and are presuming it's because of the oil spill. Can oil even cause mutations? (Found this on a website about oil and mutations) 'When contaminants such as oil enter the cells of organisms, they can interfere with the intricate molecular machinery involved in normal function. For example, the development process from a simple fertilized egg to a complex adult organism is quite susceptible to chemical toxins. Even low levels of exposure to some chemicals can lead to developmental abnormalities including physical deformities. It is important to distinguish between problems caused by chemical interference with normal developmental processes and mutations that could lead to new species of marine life.' Looks like it's just a one-off effect on the animals caused by the chemicals they encountered while young, not a proper genetic mutation.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure oil itself wouldn't cause genetic mutations. It's the chemicals that were dumped into the spill area to try and contain it that are the worry.