[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065542]why are you switching phones in a place with no mobile internet
all your theoretical situations are ridiculously unlikely and seem more like grasping at straws for ways you can hate apple more[/QUOTE]
You do realize the cheapest phones on the market (the shitty nokia bricks that last 500 days with no charging) cost like $30 or something now yeah?
So you drop your iphone while in another country, smashing it to shit. You go to a shop, buy a shitty nokia, and pop in the sim card.
Congrats, you have no way of getting your contacts.
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065571]Having to use two different services across devices is an inconvenience, especially when I'd have to copy over the file to my [I]new[/I] android. If I was upgrading my phone (e.g. from my xperia to an S4) I can merely put the memory card into my S4 and import the vcards [I]on the device.[/I][/QUOTE]
or you get with the times and just sign in with google and have all that stuff work automatically
[QUOTE=Ezhik;42065391]Android OEM's solution to anything: throw more cores/pixels at it![/QUOTE]
And if you are Samesung you just bloat up Touchpiss some more!
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;42065581]What the christ are you doing if contact exporting is THAT important for you. Do you switch phones every two days or something? As people have mentioned you can still use google contacts or something if you want to keep your contacts in sync. If you use two phones constantly wouldn't it be way easier to just have them both sync from google contacts anyway instead of exporting and importing stuff manually all the time?[/QUOTE]
I've almost been arrested before, a quick phone call can sort out a lot of shit. I've also been in situations where I've needed help from a friend or someone quickly.
I tried on someone else's phone recently to get google contacts sync to work, and of course, Apple made sure it was a complete cluster fuck to get working (I couldn't even get it working after following all the tutorials I could see online).
Basically they all said I'd need to connect the phone to a computer and fuck around with backing it up or something.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065592]or you get with the times and just sign in with google and have all that stuff work automatically[/QUOTE]
On a google device, maybe. On an iPhone, it is not as convenient.
[sp]Note, I have a Nexus 7, and Xperia Arc S. You're telling me to sign in with google? lol.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065624]On a google device, maybe. On an iPhone, it is not as convenient.
[sp]Note, I have a Nexus 7, and Xperia Arc S. You're telling me to sign in with google? lol.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're talking about. I have my google contacts set up on my iphone as well, and every contact change I make syncs with both icloud and gmail.
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065608]I've almost been arrested before, a quick phone call can sort out a lot of shit. I've also been in situations where I've needed help from a friend or someone quickly.
I tried on someone else's phone recently to get google contacts sync to work, and of course, Apple made sure it was a complete cluster fuck to get working (I couldn't even get it working after following all the tutorials I could see online).
Basically they all said I'd need to connect the phone to a computer and fuck around with backing it up or something.[/QUOTE]
You do realize all you have to do is login with gmail.
That's it.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065648]Not sure what you're talking about. I have my google contacts set up on my iphone as well, and every contact change I make syncs with both icloud and gmail.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://puu.sh/4iarU/5689b2e829.jpg[/t]
Instantly, I find that I can't link my GMail contacts to my iPhone.
[sp]Yes, I have both an android and iPhone, deal with it[/sp]
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42064879]I'll be excited to see if they can actually come up with something that is technologically groundbreaking for a smartphone (i.e. OLED/AMOLED, large screen, good technical specs etc)... but I'm also inclined to believe it'll be yet another sideways upgrade with Apple 'playing it safe' like they did with the 5 in the first place.
If it isn't a serious upgrade, I'm willing to bet their market share will seriously start dropping off.[/QUOTE]
Well they're not the type of company to throw in hundreds of gimmicky features that no one's ever really going to use. That's what the other companies seem to be doing to keep up competition with Apple.
The iPhone always aims to be simple and understandable, and I think that part of that would involve a lack of features that they don't need.
(but it would be cool if they made it waterproof)
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065675][t]http://puu.sh/4iarU/5689b2e829.jpg[/t]
Instantly, I find that I can't link my GMail contacts to my iPhone.
[sp]Yes, I have both an android and iPhone, deal with it[/sp][/QUOTE]
iPhone supports CardDAV, which is an open address book standard. Google supports this also. You just add a CardDAV account using your gmail address.
In iOS 7, they've implemented it in the screen you posted
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065675]
[sp]Yes, I have both an android and iPhone, deal with it[/sp][/QUOTE]
imagine taking brand loyalty seriously
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42065661]You do realize all you have to do is login with gmail.
That's it.[/QUOTE]
Yes I realize that. I have my contacts backed up on Google. I also back up all my login information using LastPass.
In almost every single eventuality, I could replace most of my information in 10 seconds on a new phone.
But SIM contacts are an extremely base level feature that Apple has pretty much fucked off; its some sort of idea they have that simple convenience is something that shouldn't exist in this day and age.
Its something that pretty much every phone should have to at least some level so there is some level of redundancy for users in the event of failure/data loss/etc.
Users should also have some reasonable level of 'access' to their contacts without the usage of a PC (i.e. exporting to sim card, exporting to email, exporting to SD/CSV). Contacts are the most basic building block of any actual telephone.
Its not like people are asking to copy the source code of the Apple mainframe to their USB drive or some shit--these are your own contacts, that you do not have full access to.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4g4u3eE.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065402]x device = other android
y device = iDevice
I see more of y device broken than x device.[/QUOTE]
Is that a properly proportioned evaluation?
I personally see y device far more often than x device in general, and given the larger quantity of course I'm going to see more cracked than x device.
You also need to factor in the user, and whether or not they take care of their phone.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065699]iPhone supports CardDAV, which is an open address book standard. Google supports this also. You just add a CardDAV account using your gmail address.
[/QUOTE]
Most people would not know how to do this.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065699]
[B][U][I]In iOS 7[/I][/U][/B], they've implemented it in the screen you posted[/QUOTE]
7 major releases too late.
[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;42065723]
You also need to factor in the user, and whether or not they take care of their phone.[/QUOTE]
Most people don't.
I could do a test. Drop my xperia on the patio, and drop my iPhone on the patio. I wonder which one will come off worse?
[sp]Hint: the iPhone has two glass panel sides, the xperia is mainly plastic, and neither phone has a case.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065730]Most people would not know how to do this.
7 major releases too late.[/QUOTE]
it worked on 3,4,5 and 6 until [B]Google[/B] removed support.
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065730]Most people would not know how to do this.[/QUOTE]
lol yet you expect everyone to do regular contact backups to their sim cards
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065786]lol yet you expect people to know to backup their contacts to their sim cards[/QUOTE]
I didn't once say I expect people do do [I]regular[/I] backups.
I pretty much never back up to my SIM unless I'm changing phones or resetting / upgrading software.
I only [I]recently[/I] switched to online storage for the sake of my nexus 7 and the fact that it's easier to manage now both my android devices are running Jelly bean.
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065820]I didn't once say I expect people do do [I]regular[/I] backups.
I pretty much never back up to my SIM unless I'm changing phones or resetting / upgrading software.
I only [I]recently[/I] switched to online storage for the sake of my nexus 7 and the fact that it's easier to manage now both my android devices are running Jelly bean.[/QUOTE]
then what's with all these theoretical situations where somebody breaks their phone somewhere lacking mobile internet
if they didn't do backups then they're shit out of luck
Is this argument just about saving contacts to a file? There's no real use unless you're in the middle of a desert and for some reason you've lost your contacts. The only problem with it is that it isn't easy to transfer contacts from an iPhone to another phone, but isn't that being fixed with iOS 7 being able to sync with Gmail? Either way this is a pretty stupid argument. Back on topic, I'm mainly looking forward to iOS 7, the new iPhone is most likely only going to be a minor upgrade if they follow their pattern. Yeah the design of iOS 7 seems a bit rushed in some areas, I'm sure that will improve over time
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065786]lol yet you expect people to know to backup their contacts to their sim cards[/QUOTE]
You do realize there are old people around who spend the last 10 years just learning how to backup contacts to their SIM?
Its a problem that is really related to Apple not really using a proper file manager solution on iphones. Copying data that you want/need on an iPhone is always a hassle.
Its fantastic if you need to copy some pictures or something from the shitty email program, but as soon as you need to do something beyond the usual requirements (i.e. open a zip file) you'll need some app for something that would otherwise be a very simple task.
Its great that iPhone has a huge app library too, but is it really a solution that the OS itself is so stunted from the ground up in the first place?
[editline]4th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;42065837]Is this argument just about saving contacts to a file? There's no real use unless you're in the middle of a desert and for some reason you've lost your contacts. The only problem with it is that it isn't easy to transfer contacts from an iPhone to another phone, but isn't that being fixed with iOS 7 being able to sync with Gmail? Either way this is a pretty stupid argument. Back on topic, I'm mainly looking forward to iOS 7, the new iPhone is most likely only going to be a minor upgrade if they follow their pattern. Yeah the design of iOS 7 seems a bit rushed in some areas, I'm sure that will improve over time[/QUOTE]
I guess you've never been stuck in the middle of a desert then.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065835]then what's with all these theoretical situations where somebody breaks their phone somewhere lacking mobile internet
[I]if they didn't do backups[/I] then they're shit out of luck[/QUOTE]
You've basically gone back on what was just said. You're defending how useful cloud backups are, then you're saying that they're "shit out of luck" if they lack mobile internet.
[QUOTE][video=youtube;ubU-dB8B-94]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubU-dB8B-94[/video][/QUOTE]
Phones can break all the time, especially if the owner is not careful with their phone. If it broke in another country where mobile internet is expensive, you'd want your contacts on your SIM so you can buy a cheap phone and import them. (Yes, I said I don't do regular backups to the SIM, but at least I'd have something).
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065845]You do realize there are old people around who spend the last 10 years just learning how to backup contacts to their SIM?[/QUOTE]
oh crap now old people are smashing their phones and replacing them somewhere without mobile internet
this is such a massive problem wow what is apple even [I]doing[/I]
What I'm saying is it's highly unlikely your contacts are going to disappear in the first place, nevermind in a place where you don't have internet?
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42065465]why does that matter at all
how is it not easier to just have all your contacts [I]automatically backed up online[/I][/QUOTE]
You even have the option to back it up to Gmail if you put in the server address
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065867]You've basically gone back on what was just said. You're defending how useful cloud backups are, then you're saying that they're "shit out of luck" if they lack mobile internet.[/QUOTE]
um, what? I was referring to sim backups. if they didn't make a sim backup then they're screwed in the situations you guys made up
[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;42065878]What I'm saying is it's highly unlikely your contacts are going to disappear in the first place, nevermind in a place where you don't have internet?[/QUOTE]
Most people that go on holiday don't have internet, because of the mobile data charges it pulls up.
If your phone breaks on holiday, it's not an emergency, wait till you get back and restore your contacts
[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065898]Most people that go on holiday don't have internet, because of the mobile data charges it pulls up.[/QUOTE]
Not really. I just pay 30 bucks for a new simcard every time i head down to the states.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42065916]Not really. I just pay 30 bucks for a new simcard every time i head down to the states.[/QUOTE]
That's $30 too many.
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