Rockstar bans FiveM modders - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swilly;48440027]Again, in US courts those ToS agreements and the like are non-binding. Same with European courts.[/QUOTE] If any of the banned people think it was unjust, they can bring the case to court. Won't see that happening though.

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440000]I think I'm supporting my arguments just fine, and if you think asking if you've taken an economics class is a personal attack, I must say I disagree. You obviously don't understand what potential profit is. The key word in the term potential profit is the word [B][I]potential[/I][/B]. Never did I even imply that every person using FiveM is someone that would be buying shark cards. They potentially would buy shark cards, but now it's very unlikely that they will.[/QUOTE]Its is. Whether or not he has taken an economics class is irrelevant to you actually supporting your claims and whether it not they are actually valid. He doesn't need to have taken an economics class to call you out either. Potential profit is literally fiction. It has no basis in reality. It is just a garbage argument that "Well, some people may have bought it but now they won't." without actually providing evidence of such. Because they literally cannot measure an individual's likelihood of making a purchase on such a level. [QUOTE]Right now all you're post is saying is that Rockstar doesn't deserve to profit because they already have enough money.[/QUOTE]Literally not even close.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48440037]If any of the banned people think it was unjust, they can bring the case to court. Won't see that happening though.[/QUOTE] Its not worth it; however if say they get their games shut off or disconnected so they can't play it anymore? That's a court case.

[QUOTE=Swilly;48440069]Its not worth it; however if say they get their games shut off or disconnected so they can't play it anymore? That's a court case.[/QUOTE] they can still play the single player though.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48440058]Its is. Whether or not he has taken an economics class is irrelevant to you actually supporting your claims and whether it not they are actually valid. He doesn't need to have taken an economics class to call you out either. Potential profit is literally fiction. It has no basis in reality. It is just a garbage argument that "Well, some people may have bought it but now they won't." without actually providing evidence of such. Because they literally cannot measure an individual's likelihood of making a purchase on such a level..[/QUOTE] I've supported my claims, you just choose to ignore it because you hate Rockstar. Potential profit isn't fiction. Nobody here has actually said anything other than 1. They never broke the ToS. 2. Rockstar makes so much money that it doesn't matter. 3. Potential profits isn't real. Not one of those is valid. [quote]Literally not even close[/quote] [quote]Why aren't you responding to what I'm saying instead of getting defensive over a corporation that has made more than enough profit in day-1 GTA V sales alone to supply dedicated servers for 20 years?[/quote] Sounds pretty close.

Supporting your claims means linking to something other than your own posts, you fool. Don't lecture me about economics that you don't understand, you don't even know how to argue.

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48440081]they can still play the single player though.[/QUOTE] That's why I said it's not worth it.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48440096]Supporting your claims means linking to something other than your own posts, you fool. You don't even know how to argue.[/QUOTE] I've supported my claims, you choose to not acknowledge them. I've already explained how FiveM is costing Rockstar money.

I was expecting actual evidence instead of something you pulled out of your ass. Saying it's true doesn't make it true, and you're embarrassing yourself.

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440111]I've supported my claims, you choose to not acknowledge them. I've already explained how FiveM is costing Rockstar money.[/QUOTE] well me telling a friend that gtav is shit may cost them money? should i get banned?

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48440123]I was expecting actual evidence instead of something you pulled out of your ass. Saying it's true doesn't make it true, and you're embarrassing yourself.[/QUOTE] It's a sound argument from my side. I've explained how they would lose profits and why. If you want more info, look up the legality of [B]private servers[/B] or [B]server emulators[/B].

Hey, man with hat, you are not a valid source. Quit citing yourself, it doesn't make you right.

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440155]It's a sound argument from my side. I've explained how they would lose profits and why. If you want more info, look up the legality of [B]private servers[/B] or [B]server emulators[/B].[/QUOTE] they are not emulating servers though? its their own sever code and their own client code?

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440111]I've supported my claims, you choose to not acknowledge them. I've already explained how FiveM is costing Rockstar money.[/QUOTE] No you didn't. You only said there was a potential for them to lose money. And spoiler alert: [sp]they won't, because no one buys those shitty rip off shark cards.[/sp] Now if you can prove anything of what you said without citing yourself(or a dictionary), you will become so much closer to having a valid argument.

[QUOTE=Zet;48440167]And spoiler alert: [sp]they won't, because no one buys those shitty rip off shark cards.[/sp][/QUOTE] you would be surprised. this chart is a year old, but they made quite a bit off of shark cards [img]http://puu.sh/jy9eC/76a60beb22.jpg[/img]

a) people who play fivem were not going to buy shark cards in the first place b) me not buying something or choosing to go with a different offering is not costing anyone money little debbie can't sue mrs. baird's for lost profit because i thought mrs. baird's apple pies were tastier and bought them instead nor can they come to my house and take away any little debbie products i already have it's called competition, rockstar doesn't want to bother being competitive so they're exploiting the licensing loophole to forcefeed their dick to anyone not playing the game the way rockstar wants them to

[QUOTE=ashrobhoy;48440164]they are not emulating servers though? its their own sever code and their own client code?[/QUOTE] That's not what emulation means. I'm adding you to my ignore list. You aren't acquainted with what it means to reverse engineer or emulate, which are key things for FiveM. [QUOTE=Zet;48440167]No you didn't. You only said there was a potential for them to lose money. And spoiler alert: [sp]they won't, because no one buys those shitty rip off shark cards.[/sp] Now if you can prove anything of what you said without citing yourself(or a dictionary), you will become so much closer to having a valid argument.[/QUOTE] Do I need to provide a source for 1 + 1 as well? No, it's common sense, or at least I thought it would be, but not many people seem to know what potential profit is.

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440204]That's not what emulation means. I'm adding you to my ignore list. You aren't acquainted with what it means to reverse engineer or emulate, which are key things for FiveM. Do I need to provide a source for 1 + 1 as well? No, it's common sense, or at least I thought it would be, but not many people seem to know what potential profit is.[/QUOTE] i like that you aren't going to reply to anyone who makes a sound argument against you and even go so far as to block people for being right

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48440178]you would be surprised. this chart is a year old, but they made quite a bit off of shark cards [img]http://puu.sh/jy9eC/76a60beb22.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] But how much of that is off PC? Because generally I find that console-based transaction models aren't very successful on this platform.

[QUOTE=Velocet;48440217]But how much of that is off PC? Because generally I find that console-based transaction models aren't very successful on this platform.[/QUOTE] none of it, because that chart is a year old.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48440214]i like that you aren't going to reply to anyone who makes a sound argument against you and even go so far as to block people for being right[/QUOTE] To emulate is to imitate. It has nothing to do with who made the code. I've already said what I needed to say. He knows neither the definition of reverse engineer nor emulation, yet, makes an attempt to participate in arguments about them.

[Quote]Never did I even imply that every person using FiveM is someone that would be buying shark cards. They potentially would buy shark cards, but now it's very unlikely that they will.[/quote] Let me break this down for you, since you don't seem to get it. Essentially your argument is that given two choices, the consumer will value one more and therefore this comes at the expense of the other choice in the scenario where it was the only one (which is nonsense). Regardless of R*'s, the RIAA's, or your belief this is the case and the consumer would default to them because they want the product that bad (impossible to prove), they can't make this value assessment for the consumer and there's no reason to believe it's a 'lost sale'. Why? Because it's an entirely different value assessment to decide if you want downloaded music versus buying it, otherwise you're weighing how much you like the music versus how much the money is worth it to you, a separate judgement (and therefore separate demand). It's essentially looking at the demand to supply of a lower price and claiming you would otherwise have that same demand should the cheaper option not exist, and therefore you're losing something. This falls apart when you realize the decision to buy a 10 dollar TV compared to a 1000 dollar one are two completely separate value judgements. With that in mind, the seller of the more expensive TV is about as entitled to the difference in demand, those mythical 'lost sales', as much as a consumer is to a product on sale he previously bought at a normal price.

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440244]To emulate is to imitate. It has nothing to do with who made the code. I've already said what I needed to say. He knows neither the definition of reverse engineer nor emulation, yet, makes an attempt to participate in arguments about them.[/QUOTE] do you have a fucking learning disorder ain't shit being "emulated" or "imitated", it's literally their own code and system entirely separate from rockstar's in all ways fivem's architecture is reliant on a centralized dedicated server that the client connects to gta:o uses entirely p2p networking they cannot be any more different from a functional/operational standpoint

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440244]To emulate is to imitate. It has nothing to do with who made the code. I've already said what I needed to say. He knows neither the definition of reverse engineer nor emulation, yet, makes an attempt to participate in arguments about them.[/QUOTE] And you won't cite any of your argument and just fall back to your own statements or "common sense" neither of with is valid evidence. Put up or shut up.

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48440222]none of it, because that chart is a year old.[/QUOTE] You know what I meant.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48440267]And you won't cite any of your argument and just fall back to your own statements or "common sense" neither of with is valid evidence. Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE] If, say, 10,000 people started playing FiveM (and stopped playing Rockstar's version, as a result), do you think that Rockstar would lose no money at all from lost potential customers?

It's been a while since I've gotten to witness the Dunning-Kruger Effect firsthand outside of the Rust subforum. Rockstar is not responding to market demands by supplying what its customers want, so they are seeking out alternative options. This is the fundamental basis for a capitalist economy. If Rockstar does not supply what the market wants, they will not earn sales because they are supplying something the market does not want. The Squirty Shits Lemonade stand is not going to make a lot of money if people can walk down the street and buy lemonade from the Contains-No-Shit Lemonade stand. Calling the Squirty Shits stand a "victim" and criticism of their decision to sabotage their competition instead of offering what consumers want "victim shaming" and "victim blaming" is not only a fundamental failure to understand economics, it borders on Stockholm Syndrome. And then there's the fact that, when pressed for a citation, you quoted YOURSELF as if you're any authority in [B]anything[/B]. How did you even find the reply button? [editline]11th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=man with hat;48440286]If, say, 10,000 people started playing FiveM (and stopped playing Rockstar's version, as a result), do you think that Rockstar would lose no money at all from lost potential customers?[/QUOTE] This is not a response to Zedacon's post but a blind repetition of what you previously argued. This is not a constructive argument, this is bullshitting until you win.

[QUOTE=man with hat;48440286]If, say, 10,000 people started playing FiveM (and stopped playing Rockstar's version, as a result), do you think that Rockstar would lose no money at all from lost potential customers?[/QUOTE] I play FiveM and GTA:O. They offer separate experiences and are in no way comparable to each other. Now they've ensured they'll make no money off me because they've alienated me as a customer. Even from the perspective of a business, why ban users and ensure that they'll never make you any money ever again?

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48440291]This is not a response to Zedacon's post but a blind repetition of what you previously argued. This is not a constructive argument, this is bullshitting until you win.[/QUOTE] it's not even accurate because people playing fivem isn't causing money to fall out of rockstar's bank account, i.e. [B]they aren't losing money[/B] they might be experiencing an extremely small dent in their profit from sharkcards (so extremely small it'd be immeasurable by any legally admissable scale) but [B]that's their own fault for fucking their customers so hard they decided to make their own multiplayer from scratch[/B] once again rockstar is exploiting the licensing loophole to punish consumers for not playing the game the way it wants them to

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48440306]it's not even accurate because people playing fivem isn't causing money to fall out of rockstar's bank account, i.e. [B]they aren't losing money[/B][/QUOTE] I can forgive someone for holding an opinion I feel is fundamentally wrong if they're actually able to argue their point competently. None of that is going on here.