• Religious leaders hit back at Hawking
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[QUOTE=Eudoxia;24577910]These are some of the comments on that website. ... The rage of a thousand white-hot Suns of blinding fury. There are no words. There are no words.[/QUOTE] Oh dear god please let there be a troll website, PLEASE. Oh wait there is no god :v:
[QUOTE=GodKing;24575386]If religion was more of a way of life instead of a way of life [i][b]and[/b][/i] the answers to all of the universe's mysteries, then I'd have no problem with it.[/QUOTE] Normally, people also wouldn't need a book to tell them what is right & wrong. Morals are common sense, not something you have to look up in a book. It would result in less conflicts because people would see that morals are extremely relative.
[QUOTE=Number-41;24585887]Normally, people also wouldn't need a book to tell them what is right & wrong. Morals are common sense, not something you have to look up in a book. It would result in less conflicts because people would see that morals are extremely relative.[/QUOTE] Morals seem like common sense because that's what you've learned. Morals around the world vary a lot. Cannibalism (for example) is accepted somewhere and it seems like common sense to them.
[QUOTE=Sentinel Shadow;24578117]"Nobody, God has been here since before time began, which is a completely realistic and plausible argument." :smug:[/QUOTE] Blast! Foiled again!
I still find it hard to believe that science can answer [i]everything[/i]. I still have yet to see a scientist explain where everything needed to make the universe materialised from in the first place.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24575506]only thing religion causes is war and rules. so please become atheists[/QUOTE] Not all religions denounce science. Not all religions impose strict rules. Not all religious people act agressive against people of differing convictions. So please, do not tell me what to believe.
[QUOTE=famasfanalt;24582552]Neither side has any evidence to back up their claims, both are wrong. That is why I am agnostic.[/QUOTE] Agnostics are silly. [b]Atheists[/b] believe in an idea supported by evidence. [b]Theists[/b] believe in an idea not supported by evidence. [b]Agnostics[/b] believes both ideas are equally plausible.
[QUOTE=David29;24586205]I still find it hard to believe that science can answer [i]everything[/i]. I still have yet to see a scientist explain where everything needed to make the universe materialised from in the first place.[/QUOTE] Quantum mother cunting fluctuations, the universe existed because in an infinite time scale it HAS TO HAPPEN!! [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo[/url]
So... Everything that exists - all the material, all the forces, etc - exist simply because they had to? I didn't bother watching the video. I have better things to do with an hour of my time, and I am too hungover for it.
[QUOTE=David29;24587414]So... Everything that exists - all the material, all the forces, etc - exist simply because they had to?[/QUOTE] Would it be simpler for a divine being to have created them? If so, where did said deity come from?
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24587439]Would it be simpler for a divine being to have created them? If so, where did said deity come from?[/QUOTE] I don't know, and I admit to that. But rather than attempting to answer my question you simply evaded it.
[QUOTE=David29;24587414]So... Everything that exists - all the material, all the forces, etc - exist simply because they had to? I didn't bother watching the video. I have better things to do with an hour of my time, and I am too hungover for it.[/QUOTE] no they didn't HAVE to, in the sense they are intelligent or knew they had to exist. They literally exist because they could have existed. If you can imagine it, it will happen somewhere without a shadow of a doubt, given a long enough time scale.
[QUOTE=David29;24587584]I don't know, and I admit to that. But rather than attempting to answer my question you simply evaded it.[/QUOTE] I see what you mean - "why is there something rather than nothing?" I just saw your original statement and yeah you're probably right about that.
[quote]Hawking was also accused of "missing the point" by colleagues at the University of Cambridge in England.[/quote] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/1i2m.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=bravehat;24587653]no they didn't HAVE to, in the sense they are intelligent or knew they had to exist. They literally exist because they could have existed. If you can imagine it, it will happen somewhere without a shadow of a doubt, given a long enough time scale.[/QUOTE] I understand your point, but you are talking about the probability of the universe being created. What I am talking about is how something can be made from nothing. It's like me going into space with no equipment whatsoever and (not taking into account my instant death) attempting to construct the USS Enterprise.
[QUOTE=David29;24587801]I understand your point, but you are talking about the probability of the universe being created. What I am talking about is how something can be made from nothing. It's like me going into space with no equipment whatsoever and (not taking into account my instant death) attempting to construct the USS Enterprise.[/QUOTE] Yup and if you go into space and try it enough times one of the times you go up there the entire USS Enterprise will have already been built for you. Watch the video it explains it.
[QUOTE=bravehat;24587837]Yup and if you go into space and try it enough times one of the times you go up there the entire USS Enterprise will have already been built for you. Watch the video it explains it.[/QUOTE] Then I ask the question, where would the materials for that have come from?
[QUOTE=David29;24587880]Then I ask the question, where would the materials for that have come from?[/QUOTE] Look up vacuum energy. Insane shit.
Science is NOT there to disprove beliefs. It is there to discover. I can't believe the ignorance that both religious and non-religious are showing. People are thinking far too systematically to make an open opinion about, it is like they are being told what to think. Hawking is a genius. I am fascinated and grateful for his thinkings. They are significant. But I do think there is a god, but not in the literal sense.
Quantum fluctuations, the quantum foam and the interactions between virtual particles, slowly becoming more complex particles over time and due to pressures forming certain shapes and over time again becoming more complex and the process repeats. It's a massive long shot, but given enough time, it will happen.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24587920]Look up vacuum energy. Insane shit.[/QUOTE] Why does energy exist, though? [QUOTE=bravehat;24588015]Quantum fluctuations, the quantum foam and the interactions between virtual particles, slowly becoming more complex particles over time and due to pressures forming certain shapes and over time again becoming more complex and the process repeats. It's a massive long shot, but given enough time, it will happen.[/QUOTE] Why do quantum fluctuations exist, though? I know I'm probably sounding rather tedious now, but they are valid questions. In science, everything comes from something, but nothing can come from nothing. I'm not out on some sort of crusade against science - I am merely point out (what seems to be to me) some valid points. By all means, prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=David29;24588198]Why does energy exist, though? .[/QUOTE] It exists. Why not ask HOW it does rather than why.
Quantum fluctuations exist because quantum particles move, just like brownian motion in a gloud of gas, they hit off each other and shit happens, like two particles bounce away from each other which for a tiny space of time, means that part of space is totally empty for a brief moment, so particles bounce into it and off each other. Behold quantum fluctuations!!! :science: I think. And there is also that the empty space has it's own energy as well, even the vacuum of space, the very fabric of reality has a tangible energy to some degree. Also asking WHY just makes me fucking rage, ask how instead, asking why implies there is a purpose to everything, and there isn't, we see something and give it a purpose, nothing has a purpose, it's just there and everything it creates is just a bi product of its existence.
If the future is written, i would like a copy of it. :smug:
Don't make me find the "Monkeys still exist picture" because i can't find it.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;24588376]Fixed.[/QUOTE] "You disagree with my perceptions of reality you're a fucking retard!!" Let people believe what they want fuck stick and maybe you wont come off worse for it.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;24588479]Yep. That's it. Good job. :mmmsmug:[/QUOTE] I think you meant well :buddy:
[QUOTE=bravehat;24588335]Quantum fluctuations exist because quantum particles move, just like brownian motion in a gloud of gas, they hit off each other and shit happens, like two particles bounce away from each other which for a tiny space of time, means that part of space is totally empty for a brief moment, so particles bounce into it and off each other. Behold quantum fluctuations!!! :science: I think. And there is also that the empty space has it's own energy as well, even the vacuum of space, the very fabric of reality has a tangible energy to some degree. Also asking WHY just makes me fucking rage, ask how instead, asking why implies there is a purpose to everything, and there isn't, we see something and give it a purpose, nothing has a purpose, it's just there and everything it creates is just a bi product of its existence.[/QUOTE] Sorry. I said why, I meant how. In which case, my point still stands.
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