Online database "exposes" pro-Palestinian college students in bid to block future jobs
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[QUOTE=Monkah;47819010]i don't think I'd want to hire someone that supports terrorism either. anti-israel is one thing, but pro-palestine is scary
what, you guys would willingly hire, say, an ISIS supporter?[/QUOTE]
Educate yourself on the definition of pro-Palestine. Pro-Hamas or pro-terrorism is one thing, but the advocacy of a Palestinian state or the recognition thereof is entirely different.
Don't even compare the support of a two-state solution to supporting an extreme facet of the spectrum, i.e. ISIL.
[QUOTE]“It is your duty to ensure that today’s radicals are not tomorrow’s employees,” a female narrator intones in a slick video posted to the website’s YouTube account.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
Even if those people are all actual "radicals" what exactly is this system supposed to accomplish? Make extremists jobless? What good would come from that?
As someone who is pro Israel, this is very fucked up. I see what Canary is trying to do but they are spreading the net too wide. There's a huge difference between a memorial website for dead Palestinians and actually supporting Hamas. However, BDS has had a lot of antisemitic incidents from what I've heard.
It so fucked up that there are people who actually defend this. As much as I don't like Monkah, I sure as hell wouldn't defend some anonymous organization plastering his face on a website and blackballing him from finding work. Same goes for anyone who isn't a public figure, for that matter, it feels like common decency to me.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47819010]i don't think I'd want to hire someone that supports terrorism either. anti-israel is one thing, but pro-palestine is scary
what, you guys would willingly hire, say, an ISIS supporter?[/QUOTE]
Well as long as they're not causing issues in the workplace, why not. So it kinda depends on the job and whether or not they keep their views to themselves. I probably wouldn't hire them for any kind of leadership position though.
Ideally I'd prefer not to know about it to remain unbiased though, because it would certainly affect my decision (either consciously or subconsciously) to some extent if there are other potential employees qualified for the job.
[QUOTE=Govna;47819377]Do you actually know who the Palestinians were?
Keyword here is "were". Past tense. The original Palestinians you're talking about who never displaced anybody haven't existed for several millennia now.
And that's because they were conquered and displaced. The original Palestinians were a combination of Phoenicians (Canaanites) and Hebrews together. But since that time, just within the history of the ancient world, they were conquered and bred out of existence by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans.
And again, that's just within the history of the ancient world. The ones that live there today are the result of that history, plus the more recent history of conquest and breeding by Arabs, Turks, and Balkan Europeans beginning with the Byzantines after the split and fall of the Roman Empire, continuing with the Sassanids and other Middle Easterners/North Africans, and most recently ending with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.
[b]TL;DR[/b] the Palestinian people are/have been both the displaced and the displacers, the cause and the result simultaneously[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nikota;47819101]Oh boy. If you think the Arabs are a native population to Palestine, you need to read up. They got there the same ways the Jews did. Conquest and settlement.[/QUOTE]
is this supposed to be a justification of palestinian subjugation, or..?
[QUOTE=joes33431;47820036]is this supposed to be a justification of palestinian subjugation, or..?[/QUOTE]
No? Using the term Native population to describe the current population of an area that has had an extreme diverse history and has been held, ruled, and settled by a fuckton of different peoples is a bit of a misnomer. Pointing out that the Arab-Palestinian populace isn't native to the region isn't saying they should be displaced.
[QUOTE=Nikota;47820068]For me? No. I think using the term Native population to describe the current population of an area that has had an extreme diverse history and has been held, ruled, and settled by a fuckton of different peoples is a bit of a misnomer.[/QUOTE]
It's not a misnomer? The word native has more than one connotation. Native /= indigenous peoples.
If I was born in Israel, I'd be native to Israel. If I say I'm a Native-American, it means that I am part of or have a genetic connection to an indigenous tribe.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47820085]It's not a misnomer? The word native has more than one connotation. Native /= indigenous peoples.
If I was born in Israel, I'd be native to Israel. If I say I'm a Native-American, it means that I am part of or have a genetic connection to an indigenous tribe.[/QUOTE]
Which wasn't the way that Gufu used it. He used Native as in Indigenous.
[QUOTE=Nikota;47820102]Which wasn't the way that Gufu used it. He used Native as in Indigenous.[/QUOTE]
Sort of, but the meaning of "born in that land" is also fitting, since a deal of people were born in the land before it was settled under the flag of Israel.
[QUOTE=Nikota;47820068]No? Using the term Native population to describe the current population of an area that has had an extreme diverse history and has been held, ruled, and settled by a fuckton of different peoples is a bit of a misnomer. Pointing out that the Arab-Palestinian populace isn't native to the region isn't saying they should be displaced.[/QUOTE]
okay, my mistake then. i was confused.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47818797]Yep, punishing people for having different opinions. Seems like academia has turned into a fucking joke.[/QUOTE]
You realize that academia is majority liberal and pro-Palestine, right? The Israel boycott movement was born out of universities.
This list is clearly anti-academia
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47820243]You realize that academia is majority liberal and pro-Palestine, right? The Israel boycott movement was born out of universities.
This list is clearly anti-academia[/QUOTE]
placing the blame on some obscure and nebulous far-left conspiracy has turned up as some popular scapegoat and i can't figure out why. *what* kind of limit has been broken in academia?
[QUOTE=Monkah;47819453]no, but supporting Palestine, a region/country that has taken hostages, a large number of human shields, kills people for their sexuality/religion/speech, and encourages suicide bombing
yeah that's pretty terror-y to me
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Palestine does not equal Syria, and even then that's an extreme statement. Please, educate yourself before posting. Seeing your avatar, you should be able to see past the sheeps wool to see whats really going on.
Back on topic: This organization identifies people by linking their facebook, linked in, etc. I am pretty sure that's a breach of privacy and illegal.
one must wonder what Palestine did with all those money they received ....
saw some figures, post-world war 2 Marshall plan is fraction compared to that the mountain of money
so now explain come Palestine isn't beating Dubai in quality of living ...
yet I fully agree that trying prevent people from gaining job just because they were naïve as students .... is equally dumb
[QUOTE=joes33431;47820036]is this supposed to be a justification of palestinian subjugation, or..?[/QUOTE]
No?
I specifically made sure to clarify in my original post what my point was: that Lamar is wrong; the Palestinians of Palestine today are not "natives"-- natives as in people who "didn't physically displace any population". Palestine and the Palestinian people today are the result of millennia of displacement and conquest.
I see no reason to support them in this struggle in any case, not because of the fact they're not natives, but because of how backwards they are and because of their tendency to commit acts of ethnic and religious terrorism. Just as I see no reason to support Israel either because of how backwards they are too, and because of this Jewish Manifest Destiny policy they continue to practice by encroaching and building and settling on Palestinian territory (which violates modern international law) despite warnings not to, and because of how traitorous they have been as well against us personally with military technology, and I fucking hate how they play the anti-Semite card against anyone who doesn't support or openly opposes them here in the West.
When it comes to alliances, the Israelis are in many ways more trouble than they're worth in my view. But we will continue to support them, because of the large numbers of Christians and Jews alike in this country lobbying our government to support them in the first place, and because they're on better terms with us than most other nations in the region are. The latter reason is the only reason why I give them any positive consideration; it's not enough to make me like them however.
The whole situation is politics at its finest: it's Class-A absurdity, and it has been absurd from the beginning. It's been a pointless fight between both sides over land but especially as well over religious and cultural differences, and I'm sick of it. It's not going to end anytime soon, and there will be no peaceful two-state solution that will be realized soon either, if ever.
I dislike the Israelis, I am indifferent to the Palestinians, and I have no faith in either one of them. And honestly, I don't want us getting involved with this or them any more than we absolutely have to. This is a clusterfuck of international law and enforcement with no end in close sight.
And this all pretty much sums up my outlook on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
[QUOTE=Dwarden;47822047]one must wonder what Palestine did with all those money they received ....
saw some figures, post-world war 2 Marshall plan is fraction compared to that the mountain of money
so now explain come Palestine isn't beating Dubai in quality of living ...
yet I fully agree that trying prevent people from gaining job just because they were naïve as students .... is equally dumb[/QUOTE]
Leaders of Palestine like Yasser Arafat use the cause to bolster their wallets rather than advance their people. He died with a networth of around 2 billion dollars. The PLO's leadership corp have networths in the billions and hundreds of millions.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47819010]i don't think I'd want to hire someone that supports terrorism either. anti-israel is one thing, but pro-palestine is scary
what, you guys would willingly hire, say, an ISIS supporter?[/QUOTE]
What the f...
I'm pro-palestine but that doesn't mean I'm anti-Israel.
It's like saying I'm pro-Canadian but anti-American.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;47823494]What the f...
I'm pro-palestine but that doesn't mean I'm anti-Israel.
It's like saying I'm pro-Canadian but anti-American.[/QUOTE]
Just so we're clear, I'm completely and utterly against that that website.
But to play the devil's advocate for a moment, it looks like the website lists [URL="http://www.canarymission.org/organizations/"]members of organizations[/URL] that are pro-Hamas and BDS, both quite literally anti-Israel.
Which is I guess why there are very few Israeli Jews (if at all) in [URL="http://www.canarymission.org/individuals/"]their individuals list[/URL], since while there are a lot of pro-peace and pro-Palestinian Israelis and organizations, very few are actually against Israel.
-snip because wrong, made up, figures
[QUOTE=Monkah;47819010]i don't think I'd want to hire someone that supports terrorism either. anti-israel is one thing, but pro-palestine is scary
what, you guys would willingly hire, say, an ISIS supporter?[/QUOTE]
You achieved a whole new level of stupidity
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47825154]Hey buddy, I think you've gotten a little mixed up but that's fine! ISIS are a group that want to kill the non-believers of Islam and participate in ethnic cleansing on the regular, Palestine are a group that say 'Well hey, we've lived here for hundreds of years, I think we can probably stay, right?'
[B]Not all Palestinians support Hamas, and even if say, 10% of Palestinians are in Hamas, that doesn't mean it's fair to tar everyone in Palestine with the terrorist brush[/B]
Conversely, my preliminary research has concluded that 100% (give or take) of the people in ISIS, are actually in ISIS, so I think it's fair to call them terrorists[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Poll-shows-less-Palestinians-support-Hamas-new-intifada-against-Israel-376585"]Here[/URL]'s a poll.
More sources:
[URL="http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.618240"]One[/URL]
[URL="http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/2/hamas-poll-support.html"]Two[/URL]
This is infuriating. As a recent college grad, if I had my name slandered like this I would be outraged. I cannot believe people would stoop so low in any agenda.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;47820278]placing the blame on some obscure and nebulous far-left conspiracy has turned up as some popular scapegoat and i can't figure out why. *what* kind of limit has been broken in academia?[/QUOTE]
You can mainly blame, at least here, gamergate and a general recurring theme of people abusing social justice for their own ends instead of actually being for social justice.
However, there is a larger narrative and that's mainly the silencing of other views on subjects such as feminism.
There's a growing trend of alienating other voices in academia in the name of safe spaces and its being heavily abused by people who don't even understand what a 'safe space' is.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;47825244][URL="http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Poll-shows-less-Palestinians-support-Hamas-new-intifada-against-Israel-376585"]Here[/URL]'s a poll.
More sources:
[URL="http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.618240"]One[/URL]
[URL="http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/2/hamas-poll-support.html"]Two[/URL][/QUOTE]
I probably should have done some research honestly! Thanks for these, interesting reading
[QUOTE=Swilly;47825588]You can mainly blame, at least here, gamergate and a general recurring theme of people abusing social justice for their own ends instead of actually being for social justice.
However, there is a larger narrative and that's mainly the silencing of other views on subjects such as feminism.
There's a growing trend of alienating other voices in academia in the name of safe spaces and its being heavily abused by people who don't even understand what a 'safe space' is.[/QUOTE]
If you plan on making a tangential and completely uneessecary justification for every stupid post Ragekipz makes, you're going to need a heavy duty keyboard.
[QUOTE=Nikota;47819101]Oh boy. If you think the Arabs are a native population to Palestine, you need to read up. They got there the same ways the Jews did. Conquest and settlement.[/QUOTE]
This is such a fucking stupid thing to say.
ALL populations have migrated. The people of Palestine and the people of Israel settled there in the Bronze Age. The Arab populations came a bit later but saying they aren't native is pretty ridiculous, you might as well say Native Americans are actually just displaced Asians.
Everything is so stupid about this.
To these people, those who support Palestine which is a rightful country in that place and has long been established are just the same as people who support Al-Qaeda.
Fucking morons.
[editline]28th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Monkah;47819010]i don't think I'd want to hire someone that supports terrorism either. anti-israel is one thing, but pro-palestine is scary
what, you guys would willingly hire, say, an ISIS supporter?[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking.
What?
Are you serious ?
It's McCarthyism all over again
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