Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead in Moscow.
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[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227502]Why too stagy?
How about this - he's was not worth the fuss.
Saying in interview that he's scared that Putin grim reaper will come for him does not authomatically make him a target. It makes him just another face in a crowd of opposition and their loud mouths.
Just as i remarked previously - Nemtsov WAS relevant once upon a time. But he was not recently. He became old politician detached from goverment's feeding straw and attempted to warm in beams of Navalny's fame during his rise. He's no opponent, no real threat that needs such a big set up for a kill. And, i know that might sound cinical as shit - he'll get far more attention from being dead, than living.[/QUOTE]
if someone can still speak or type on a keyboard, they can still be a threat.
Doesn't matter how small a person is, if someone like putin says that man is a threat, more than likely that man will disappear.
there will be no evidence of this
security footage will be missing
witnesses will retract their statements
and the police will never find them
[QUOTE=isreal?;47227529]Putin killed him as a tactic to scare the opposition in general. Such a critic would not be missed too much but it would get the message across without causing too much stir.[/QUOTE]
To scare WHO? Seriously, if you have no idea about our internal stuff, than please, don't try to come up with such statements just because "I live in my country and i can compare relations between goverment and oppositions" No! Not it our case pal.
To scare opposition means there is reason to ignite fear in them in a first place - is there any opposition force that can take on UR party or goverment whole? NO! They just walk around, proclaming some shit and sometimes getting bunch of nationalists to be beaten up in a clash with police force. They are attention whores and assasination of their fellow by goverment is no reason to fear for them, it's reason to celebrate - "Oh! We are relevant! We are noticed! We are figthing!"
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227566]To scare WHO? Seriously, if you have no idea about our internal stuff, than please, don't try to come up with such statements just because "I live in my country and i can compare relations between goverment and oppositions" No! Not it our case pal.
To scare opposition means there is reason to ignite fear in them in a first place - is there any opposition force that can take on UR party or goverment whole? NO! They just walk around, proclaming some shit and sometimes getting bunch of nationalists to be beaten up in a clash with police force. They are attention whores and assasination of their fellow by goverment is no reason to fear for them, it's reason to celebrate - "Oh! We are relevant! We are noticed! We are figthing!"[/QUOTE]
Because the economy is weak and Putin needs to assert his power.
If you don't want foreigners talking about "internal stuff", why did you even post this thread?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227339]expecting a president of big ass country to carry out assasination order of political figure prior big opposition event? That would not be a smart thing to do.
And whatever ya think, dumb people don't make it to high position at goverment here. This is no America.
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Putin is smart enough to get away with it. That's the difference.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;47227562]if someone can still speak or type on a keyboard, they can still be a threat.
Doesn't matter how small a person is, if someone like putin says that man is a threat, more than likely that man will disappear.
there will be no evidence of this
security footage will be missing
witnesses will retract their statements
and the police will never find them[/QUOTE]
If someone like Putin says man is a threat there is like ten people to check on that and report to him saying "nah, chill". But you can keep the theory.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227593]If someone like Putin says man is a threat there is like ten people to check on that and report to him saying "nah, chill". But you can keep the theory.[/QUOTE]
The Kremlin has a history of targeted killings, why wouldn't they do it?
sorry did no one just notice karimatrix accuse the opposition of being glib about their members being murdered
[QUOTE=isreal?;47227604]The Kremlin has a history of targeted killings, why wouldn't they do it?[/QUOTE]
because it isn't 1945 anymore
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47227611]sorry did no one just notice karimatrix accuse the opposition of being glib about their members being murdered[/QUOTE]
no, we did but i fear he's so wrapped in fantasy you won't get through to him
[QUOTE=Melnek;47227622]because it isn't 1945 anymore[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Putinism.
[QUOTE=isreal?;47227653]Welcome to Putinism.[/QUOTE]
you [U]really[/U] dislike russia don't you :v:
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47227586]If you don't want foreigners talking about "internal stuff", why did you even post this thread?[/QUOTE]
Cause there is a huge difference between talking and understanding, something you need to pick up on.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;47227627]no, we did but i fear he's so wrapped in fantasy you won't get through to him[/QUOTE]
Oh, don't worry, fumes of logical thinking and understanding that both my goverment and opposition are equally shitty enough to be behind this are easly disperced by your one time insight into our political state. Your opinion sure does weights alot more then expirience of citizen who was born and raised in a capital of country you're discussing.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227664]Cause there is a huge difference between talking and understanding, something you need to pick up on.[/QUOTE]
So you posted a thread just to make us understand that YOU believe that the government has no involvement because it's too "stagy" and want us to share the same ideal without arguing it because you don't want us to talk about "internal stuff"?
Yeah, OK buddy.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227566]To scare WHO? Seriously, if you have no idea about our internal stuff, than please, don't try to come up with such statements just because "I live in my country and i can compare relations between goverment and oppositions" No! Not it our case pal.[/QUOTE]
lol fuck off
even some other Muscovites think he was killed by the government because the opposition looks big from above. Don't make this just a western thing
breaking news: everything that ever happens in russia from a tree falling down to someone spilling hot coffee on themselves is a direct result of putin. putin is the only orchestrator of events in russia. he is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. there is no government in russia, there is only putin. russia is putin. all the citizens are putin. there is no escape, there is only putin.
[QUOTE=Melnek;47227697]breaking news: everything that ever happens in russia from a tree falling down to someone spilling hot coffee on themselves is a direct result of putin. putin is the only orchestrator of events in russia. he is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. there is no government in russia, there is only putin. russia is putin. all the citizens are putin. there is no escape, there is only putin.[/QUOTE]
remember the old photo of Putin with a deer rifle? Putin fired 4 shots in to orbit when it was taken. They recently deorbited and struck this man in the chest. Putin did it.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47227673]So you posted a thread just to make us understand that YOU believe that the government has no involvement because it's too "stagy" and want us to share the same ideal without arguing it because you don't want us to talk about "internal stuff"?
Yeah, OK buddy.[/QUOTE]
still bad on that "understanding" part i see.
No, i posted that thread because person was killed and i shared my first impression that both goverment and opposition would be too lunatic to pull this, and even considered possibility of tragical coincidnece or third option regarding victim's business.
Than we went in discussin to why and who would benefit from this and each started presenting their opinion, while i reminded people that our current opposition is something of little value, and can aswell participate in such vicious act.
All this you would get by attemptin to read first posts, but that means you'd have to try to understand them in a first place.
[QUOTE=Melnek;47227697]breaking news: everything that ever happens in russia from a tree falling down to someone spilling hot coffee on themselves is a direct result of putin. putin is the only orchestrator of events in russia. he is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. there is no government in russia, there is only putin. russia is putin. all the citizens are putin. there is no escape, there is only putin.[/QUOTE]
that's not the problem, the catch is that Kari posted a thread immediately denying governmental involvement and wants us to understand that without arguing the possibilities
you people are very strange.
4 shots in the back? Typical Russian suicide.
[QUOTE=Melnek;47227697]breaking news: everything that ever happens in russia from a tree falling down to someone spilling hot coffee on themselves is a direct result of putin. putin is the only orchestrator of events in russia. he is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. there is no government in russia, there is only putin. russia is putin. all the citizens are putin. there is no escape, there is only putin.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand how Putin operates. He is essentially a dictator who uses his power to bully the opposition via underhand tactics. His circle of friends merely transmit information from him and put his plans into action.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47227710]that's not the problem, the catch is that Kari posted a thread immediately denying governmental involvement and wants us to understand that without arguing the possibilities
you people are very strange.[/QUOTE]
How about you pull your ass and show where i immediatly deny govermental involment? Here is my first post -
[quote]As for first impressions, shit, [B]it could be literally everything[/B] - death of person of opposition [B]one day prior[/B] scheduled opposition march?!
I mean, yeah, guy was relevant once upon a time... but this is just fucking brutal!
Shot on a bridge that leads toward red square... too "stagy" for being assasination by goverment, and too idiotic to be set up by somebody in opposition to gank up on his image as victim of repression. A fucking coincidence with attempted theft or armed lunatic? Rivalry at business? Guh i don't even know...
One thing for certain, man did not deserve such fate.[/quote]
You need glasses dude.
[editline]28th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=isreal?;47227716]I don't think you understand how Putin operates. He is essentially a dictator who uses his power to bully the opposition via underhand tactics. His circle of friends merely transmit information from him and put his plans into action.[/QUOTE]
Says who? a covert agent?
To be honest, the first question I asked myself - "Who will benefit from his death?"
The answer is quite strange - no one. Kremlin can't admit that they have security this bad that they allowed to kill a guy near themselves, opposition lost one of it's members... maybe he fell a victim of someone's revenge for his shady past (when he was working at government)
[QUOTE=Melnek;47227697]breaking news: everything that ever happens in russia from a tree falling down to someone spilling hot coffee on themselves is a direct result of putin. putin is the only orchestrator of events in russia. he is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. there is no government in russia, there is only putin. russia is putin. all the citizens are putin. there is no escape, there is only putin.[/QUOTE]
Putin is love, Putin is life.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227736]How about you pull your ass and show where i immediatly deny govermental involment? Here is my first post -[/QUOTE]
Okay, you were obviously trying to push your Putinist opinion upon us. You don't have to have taken Propaganda 101 to see that.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227736]How about you pull your ass and show where i immediatly deny govermental involment? Here is my first post -
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"Shot on a bridge that leads toward red square... too "stagy" for being assasination by goverment"
Erm, right there?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47227710]that's not the problem, the catch is that Kari posted a thread immediately denying governmental involvement and wants us to understand that without arguing the possibilities
you people are very strange.[/QUOTE]
i dont really care what the problem is im honestly embarrassed to still be posting in these fucking threads every time like a broken record but aside from that, the post was making fun of people who seem to think anything that happens in the duma, or generally anything bad in russia has got something to do with putin. somehow. always.
[QUOTE=isreal?;47227716]He is essentially a dictator who uses his power to bully the opposition via underhand tactics. [/QUOTE]
Implying there is any serious force to bully.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;47227752]Implying there is any serious force to bully.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't really help when he jails and/or murders opposition leaders. You can't effectively form a political opposition without a leader.
[QUOTE=isreal?;47227765]It doesn't really help when he jails and/or murders opposition leaders. You can't effectively form a political opposition without a leader.[/QUOTE]
There is a leader. Which political activity is only 'Remove Putin".
He doesn't give even a glimpse of what he is going to do after this, how he will fix Russia's problems... and doesn't even define what he mean, when he says "There is everything wrong in current government".
I don't want to give these type of people any real power, as they are not better than Putin.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;47227750]"Shot on a bridge that leads toward red square... too "stagy" for being assasination by goverment"
Erm, right there?[/QUOTE]
No, right here
[quote] it could be literally everything[/quote]
And a bit under it
[quote]and too idiotic to be set up by somebody in opposition to gank up on his image as victim of repression[/quote]
I simply remarked how ALL PARTIES would have little interest in this, Not that i denied goverment's involved exclusively, also this
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47227147]
Not saying that if goverment really guilty they should go away with it thought. Atleast they'd be obliged to find scapegoat among their ranks than the others.[/QUOTE]
Remember kids, read posts before entrusting your opinion to sum ups by lazy users.
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