Those sons of bitches are not going to take anything of mine!: Greek fire to his home and threw his - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42943014]and you don't let life events happen to you.[/QUOTE] If you start faulting the banks due to random chance then you're an idiot.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42943034]insurance for when shit goes and gets fucked[/QUOTE] is there such a thing as job insurance? what happens if you lose your source of income due to living in a dying economy? [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] you have the bad fortune of getting fucked over due to banks and government mistakes, not your own. what happens then? [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;42943054]If you start faulting the banks due to random chance then you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] most of us in the real world don't make enough money to put in a shoebox under our bed to pay rent in case we get sacked. that isn't really our fault.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42943082]is there such a thing as job insurance? what happens if you lose your source of income due to living in a dying economy? [/QUOTE] You can actually, lol. As long as you didn't lose your job because you were stealing or trying to grope your lady-coworkers, theres insurance plans you can pay for that will cut you a check for a while after your unemployment. Theres also government unemployment benefits you can qualify for that last quite a while. That should be enough on top of your savings (assuming you're a smart and responsible adult whose living within his or her means) to hold you over until you can find a new job! [QUOTE=yawmwen;42943082] you have the bad fortune of getting fucked over due to banks and government mistakes, not your own. what happens then?[/QUOTE] How dependent on the bank and government are you to the point where them fucking up directly fucks you up? [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42943082] most of us in the real world don't make enough money to put in a shoebox under our bed to pay rent in case we get sacked. that isn't really our fault.[/QUOTE] If you live within your means thats not an issue. Also doesn't hurt to put your money in a savings account with fixed interest and toss some dosh from your paycheck in there every month.

I nominate this guy for the international badass award

[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42943180]I nominate this guy for the international badass award[/QUOTE] id also like to nominate him for international sore loser award

[QUOTE]"Those sons of bitches are not going to take anything of mine."[/QUOTE] I can respect this attitude.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42943188]I can respect this attitude.[/QUOTE] Really? He's just being a big baby about it.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42942851]Yeah, let's just wish really really hard and then modern houses with all the comforts of modern technology will suddenly be cheap regardless of the amount of manpower required to build them Do you have a point or are you just complaining about how inconvenient life is? A house isn't something you can build in a weekend, of course it's going to cost a shitton and working out how you're going to pay for that is up to you. Buy a cheap house that's within your budget. Rent an apartment. Build your own log cabin in the woods. Or take a loan and pay it back over the course of years. Your call.[/QUOTE] you know you can still pay the workers who built it? just dont force people into extremely long-term and morally dubious contracts to live there. you build houses so people have places to live. shelter should be a basic right in a moral society.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42943132]You can actually, lol. As long as you didn't lose your job because you were stealing or trying to grope your lady-coworkers, theres insurance plans you can pay for that will cut you a check for a while after your unemployment. Theres also government unemployment benefits you can qualify for that last quite a while. That should be enough on top of your savings (assuming you're a smart and responsible adult whose living within his or her means) to hold you over until you can find a new job![/quote] i make around $10,000 a year...when i'm lucky. how do i create a nice savings account and pay for insurance? [quote]How dependent on the bank and government are you to the point where them fucking up directly fucks you up?[/quote] the whole economy relies on the banks. they fuck up, and you are fucked. [quote]If you live within your means thats not an issue. Also doesn't hurt to put your money in a savings account with fixed interest and toss some dosh from your paycheck in there every month.[/QUOTE] "living within my means" practically means homelessness. is that fair for me?

[QUOTE=Falubii;42943218]Really? He's just being a big baby about it.[/QUOTE] how would you feel if you came home one day and suddenly found out you were going to be homeless?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943261]how would you feel if you came home one day and suddenly found out you were going to be homeless?[/QUOTE] in the middle of fall, going onto winter, in a country where it is pretty fucking cold and rainy during winter.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42943188]I can respect this attitude.[/QUOTE] What? The attitude of, "I spent money on things I couldn't reasonably pay for, whahhh wahhh you can't have what is rightfully yours because it is MINE, time to destroy it?" [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943261]how would you feel if you came home one day and suddenly found out you were going to be homeless?[/QUOTE] Well I wouldn't burn down my house and destroy my car for one. There's this thing called family and low income housing. [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943246]you know you can still pay the workers who built it? just dont force people into extremely long-term and morally dubious contracts to live there. you build houses so people have places to live. shelter should be a basic right in a moral society.[/QUOTE] Yeah, silly people to expect money for the things they work hard to produce and own huh?

[QUOTE=draugur;42943285]What? The attitude of, "I spent money on things I couldn't reasonably pay for, whahhh wahhh you can't have what is rightfully yours because it is MINE, time to destroy it?" [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] Well I wouldn't burn down my house and destroy my car for one. There's this thing called family and low income housing.[/QUOTE] [quote]Several people have claimed that the man was going through a bad economic situation and had debts to the banks after the failure of the store that was on the ground floor of his house, wood and two floors[/quote] he ran a store and presumably was able to afford it previously. was he supposed to be able to see the future and know that his business was going to fail? [QUOTE=draugur;42943285] Yeah, silly people to expect money for the things they work hard to produce and own huh?[/QUOTE] if you're going to force someone into homelessness due to economic situations outside of their control then you're just a bad person.

[QUOTE=draugur;42943285]What? The attitude of, "I spent money on things I couldn't reasonably pay for, whahhh wahhh you can't have what is rightfully yours because it is MINE, time to destroy it?" [/QUOTE] i know, the banks are fucking assholes. always spending money on things they can't really pay for then expecting to be able to take homes from people when they aren't able to pay the extortion money... [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;42943285] Yeah, silly people to expect money for the things they work hard to produce and own huh?[/QUOTE] i know, it's fucking crazy how you can have executives and investors stealing people's labor and not paying them properly in order to fund their lifestyle of excess.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42943253]i make around $10,000 a year...when i'm lucky. how do i create a nice savings account and pay for insurance? the whole economy relies on the banks. they fuck up, and you are fucked. "living within my means" practically means homelessness. is that fair for me?[/QUOTE] What kind of work are you doing that pays so shittily that you're only getting 10 grand a year? Even working 40 hours a week at minimum wage earns you around 15 grand a year. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943261]how would you feel if you came home one day and suddenly found out you were going to be homeless?[/QUOTE] You wouldn't suddenly find out. You would get letters constantly that would say "hey pay your bills." "hey seriously pay your bills" "dood if you don't pay your bills we're kicking you out of the home that you're renting" "already last try, pay your bills or gtfo. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42943330]i know, the banks are fucking assholes. always spending money on things they can't really pay for then expecting to be able to take homes from people when they aren't able to pay the extortion money... [/QUOTE] love how you equate loans to extortion, lol. its as if you got no fucking clue how the system works and the people who try to live beyond their means are always in the right, and its always the banks fault.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943246]you know you can still pay the workers who built it? [/QUOTE] Yes, pay the checks for twenty workers to build your house over the course of six months, the maintenance and upkeep fees on the equipment, and all the raw materials. Oh, that all adds up to hundreds of thousands of dollars? Well, guess you better take out a loan. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943246]just dont force people into extremely long-term and morally dubious contracts to live there. [/QUOTE] There is nothing 'morally dubious' about taking out a loan to pay for something you can't afford yourself. It's only long-term if it's so expensive compared to your income that you won't be able to pay it back for a long time. Nobody is forcing you to take a loan. If you don't want to, then find a cheaper house or rent. You act as if it's a God-given right to have a house that cost more to build than you'll earn in a year, and needing outside help to finance that purchase is 'dubious'. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943246]you build houses so people have places to live. shelter should be a basic right in a moral society.[/QUOTE] Declaring housing a basic right won't pay that construction crew. In any case you should have no trouble finding shelter if you're willing to relax your standards to something you can afford. If you're not, then that's really nobody else's fault but your own.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42943350]What kind of work are you doing that pays so shittily that you're only getting 10 grand a year? Even working 40 hours a week at minimum wage earns you around 15 grand a year. [/quote] i work seasonally. i work 40 or sometimes 60 hours per week but i am layed off for sometimes months at a time while i try to find a different seasonal job.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42943396]Yes, pay the checks for twenty workers to build your house over the course of six months, the maintenance and upkeep fees on the equipment, and all the raw materials. Oh, that all adds up to hundreds of thousands of dollars? Well, guess you better take out a loan.[/QUOTE] i'll be more specific. establish government social programs to build basic housing for people who can't afford to live. they can pay the construction company. [quote]Nobody is forcing you to take a loan. If you don't want to, then find a cheaper house or rent. You act as if it's a God-given right to have a house that cost more to build than you'll earn in a year, and needing outside help to finance that purchase is 'dubious'. Declaring housing a basic right won't pay that construction crew. In any case you should have no trouble finding shelter if you're willing to relax your standards to something you can afford. If you're not, then that's really nobody else's fault but your own.[/quote] what if you can't find a house you can afford? when you're only making 15k a year you aren't paying any kind of rent and can't really "relax your standards" any further. and yes i do think that you have a right to a house, regardless of your economic situation.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943318]he ran a store and presumably was able to afford it previously. was he supposed to be able to see the future and know that his business was going to fail? if you're going to force someone into homelessness due to economic situations outside of their control then you're just a bad person.[/QUOTE] If he ran a store he had no excuse to not be saving a portion of profits for bad times. It takes a true moron to not save money when they can because there WILL be bad economic times down the road. A business especially has to do this.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943476]i'll be more specific. establish government social programs to build basic housing for people who can't afford to live. they can pay the construction company. [/quote] Lets hope Fred the Fed ignores his trillions in debt and asks him to start building billions, if not trillions, worth of public housing. Building homes aren't cheap, at all. Theres a reason most cost upwards of several hundred thousand dollars. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943476] what if you can't find a house you can afford? when you're only making 15k a year you aren't paying any kind of rent and can't really "relax your standards" any further. and yes i do think that you have a right to a house, regardless of your economic situation.[/QUOTE] If you can't find a house that you can purchase within your means, then rent a house. If you can't find a house to rent within your means, then rent an apartment. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] Yeah it'd be just lovely if every adult had a home of his own, but thats not a realistic idea, at all.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42943557]Lets hope Fred the Fed ignores his trillions in debt and asks him to start building billions, if not trillions, worth of public housing. Building homes aren't cheap, at all. Theres a reason most cost upwards of several hundred thousand dollars. [/QUOTE] homes are cheaper than you think. go talk to habitat for humanity, they make very cheap housing for low income families. it's actually not incredibly expensive to build a house, it's just hard because it requires a lot of labor/planning, so they take too long to build for the average person to just grab a plot of land and build themselves. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] real estate agents and the housing market structure inflate housing costs in a way that makes it so that people can charge a shitload for houses. most people who build houses aren't even paid that well compared to the value of the houses they create because of it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42943582]homes are cheaper than you think. go talk to habitat for humanity, they make very cheap housing for low income families. it's actually not incredibly expensive to build a house, it's just hard because it requires a lot of labor/planning, so they take too long to build for the average person to just grab a plot of land and build themselves.[/QUOTE] iirc habitat for humanity uses volunteers for labor and cheap/low-end supplies for housing infrastructure. Quite a large chunk of housing cost comes from labor, which is where charity organizations like habitat for humanity cut costs. Not many people are willing to work for free, certainly not enough to build a nations worth of public housing.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943476]i'll be more specific. establish government social programs to build basic housing for people who can't afford to live. they can pay the construction company.[/QUOTE] Section 8 housing already exists and those areas are well known for being crime-ridden.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942488]Also, in the US, the guy could have gone up to some uninhabited wilderness and built himself a cabin... Homestead Rights still apply here.[/QUOTE] Really? Totally doing this shit.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42943557]Lets hope Fred the Fed ignores his trillions in debt and asks him to start building billions, if not trillions, worth of public housing. Building homes aren't cheap, at all. Theres a reason most cost upwards of several hundred thousand dollars. If you can't find a house that you can purchase within your means, then rent a house. If you can't find a house to rent within your means, then rent an apartment. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] Yeah it'd be just lovely if every adult had a home of his own, but thats not a realistic idea, at all.[/QUOTE] I don't think you actually understand the economic situation in Greece.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42943607]iirc habitat for humanity uses volunteers for labor and cheap/low-end supplies for housing infrastructure. Quite a large chunk of housing cost comes from labor, which is where charity organizations like habitat for humanity cut costs. Not many people are willing to work for free, certainly not enough to build a nations worth of public housing.[/QUOTE] that's 100% true that they are mostly volunteer. however, i think from talking to these people and learning how much it really costs(some of the regular construction volunteers do that stuff for a living), you would be surprised. these guys aren't incredibly well paid, the materials aren't quite as ridiculously expensive as you might think. yea, the average dude building a house isn't really feasible, but it would actually be very affordable. the problem is that you gotta wait for it to get done building. if i want a house, i don't wanna wait around months or a year to get the house i paid for. i want it right then. that means that people can charge a lot more money per house because it's "convenient".

now see his problem was he forgot to make it look like an electrical fire... had he done so he could have collected the insurance and paid off the car loan but nope

[QUOTE=Stopper;42944163]I don't think you actually understand the economic situation in Greece.[/QUOTE] I understand it well enough that defaulting on a loan isn't a justifiable reason to destroy your property. You can't just expect someone to give you something when you haven't properly paid for it, thats just not how the world works. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42944244]that's 100% true that they are mostly volunteer. however, i think from talking to these people and learning how much it really costs(some of the regular construction volunteers do that stuff for a living), you would be surprised. these guys aren't incredibly well paid, the materials aren't quite as ridiculously expensive as you might think. yea, the average dude building a house isn't really feasible, but it would actually be very affordable. the problem is that you gotta wait for it to get done building. if i want a house, i don't wanna wait around months or a year to get the house i paid for. i want it right then. that means that people can charge a lot more money per house because it's "convenient".[/QUOTE] Well of course they're not going to sell a home to you at it's production cost, nobody would make any money that way; not the bank nor the builders. Doesn't matter if you pay someone to build it or buy one thats already been pre-built; you're going to get charged more than the cost of materials and labor, everything is like that. Theres not many products on the market that are sold to you at the same price it costs to produce them.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42943318]he ran a store and presumably was able to afford it previously. was he supposed to be able to see the future and know that his business was going to fail? if you're going to force someone into homelessness due to economic situations outside of their control then you're just a bad person.[/QUOTE] I think you're mistaking a bank with a charity. I know it's sad but try being realistic. Also, the house fire will be done burning before winter, so I don't think he'll be any warmer because of his actions.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42943397]i work seasonally. i work 40 or sometimes 60 hours per week but i am layed off for sometimes months at a time while i try to find a different seasonal job.[/QUOTE] According to your profile, you're 32. From this thread, you work seasonally, make 10k a year and get laid off quite often. I assume the age on your profile is wrong?