Those sons of bitches are not going to take anything of mine!: Greek fire to his home and threw his - Polidicks

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942082]I don't think he understands that the stuff he bought on loan from the bank isn't his. He was renting it until he paid it off. Most people don't understand that, actually. Whereas before, he would have just lost his home and his car, now he's probably got to pay a settlement, face charges for arson and destruction of property, and otherwise just have a worse time. Good job, Greek guy. Now they're going to take everything else.[/QUOTE] He's burnt down his store and house and destroyed his car. There's nothing else to take but his cigarettes.

Finally some news from Greece, the last thing I heard about them was that they shut down their public television a few months ago.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42944244]that's 100% true that they are mostly volunteer. however, i think from talking to these people and learning how much it really costs(some of the regular construction volunteers do that stuff for a living), you would be surprised. these guys aren't incredibly well paid, the materials aren't quite as ridiculously expensive as you might think. yea, the average dude building a house isn't really feasible, but it would actually be very affordable. the problem is that you gotta wait for it to get done building. if i want a house, i don't wanna wait around months or a year to get the house i paid for. i want it right then. that means that people can charge a lot more money per house because it's "convenient".[/QUOTE] You have no fucking clue how economics works, do you? Yes, people charge for convenience, welcome to the real world.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;42942580]I love the mental image of this[/QUOTE] It's like a really fucking cool moment in a TV drama

I thought he used ACTUAL greek fire, you know, that medieval flamethrower the byzantiums used.

I like how many people in this thread are defending the banks. True serfdom at its finest.

[QUOTE=a203xi;42948743]I like how many people in this thread are defending the banks. True serfdom at its finest.[/QUOTE] I like how many people are blaming the banks for providing a service that they are free to disregard. If you don't want to buy a house that's within your budget and don't want to rent either then it's not exactly the bank's fault if you have to take out a loan to buy an expensive house.

[QUOTE=a203xi;42948743]I like how many people in this thread are defending the banks. True serfdom at its finest.[/QUOTE] As said previously, it is possible to buy a house up front. I know some people who have.

[QUOTE=a203xi;42948743]I like how many people in this thread are defending the banks. True serfdom at its finest.[/QUOTE] Yes, let's compare a contract that you voluntarily enter to fucking [I]slavery[/I].

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;42948211]You have no fucking clue how economics works, do you? Yes, people charge for convenience, welcome to the real world.[/QUOTE] It's Yawmwen, don't expect him to know anything about reality at all.

[QUOTE=a203xi;42948743]I like how many people in this thread are defending the banks. True serfdom at its finest.[/QUOTE] lol, I can't believe theres people actually defending this guy. It's pretty hilarious how you guys think it's OK to default on a contract and then destroy property thats legally no longer yours. What if you got an installment plan through Best Buys for your new $900 Nvidia graphics card. What if you just, for whatever reason (justifiable or not), just stopped making payments half way through the plan. Do you think the correct course of action is to just smash the card with a hammer and not let the retailer reposes it because YOU couldn't pay it off?

[QUOTE=a203xi;42948743]I like how many people in this thread are defending the banks. True serfdom at its finest.[/QUOTE] I was unaware that a financial institution which lends credit, invests, and stores money, is part of a system run by medieval knights and kings. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42942396]it's bullshit because you can't afford housing or land WITHOUT taking a loan. you are FORCED to rent from banks. that's not right. good on this guy for burning his shit so some scumbag corporation can't profit off it.[/QUOTE] What did burning the building accomplish exactly? What has he improved about the world, his situation, or anything by burning it? Has anybody benefited from the burning of the building?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42944321]Well of course they're not going to sell a home to you at it's production cost, nobody would make any money that way; not the bank nor the builders. Doesn't matter if you pay someone to build it or buy one thats already been pre-built; you're going to get charged more than the cost of materials and labor, everything is like that. Theres not many products on the market that are sold to you at the same price it costs to produce them.[/QUOTE] if you only pay for production costs then people do make money, the people who made the house get the money. [QUOTE=Angus725;42945140]According to your profile, you're 32. From this thread, you work seasonally, make 10k a year and get laid off quite often. I assume the age on your profile is wrong?[/QUOTE] when i was 14 i was rly paranoid about people knowing my age(something my mom drilled into me) so i always put my birth year ~1980. i'm 21

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42949348]if you only pay for production costs then people do make money, the people who made the house get the money. [/QUOTE] right so you pay for the labor to build the house and you pay for the materials to make the house that shit is pretty fucking expensive and you probably wont be able to buy it all at once, so you will need to take out, get this, [I]a loan[/I] to pay for it!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42949348]if you only pay for production costs then people do make money, the people who made the house get the money. [/QUOTE] That's exactly how it already works. What you're leaving out are the intermediate people and organizations necessary to connect Bob Smith, leader of the work crew, to John Doe, prospective homeowner. Someone fronts the bill to build the house in the first place. Someone takes care of the legal paperwork. Someone organizes the whole operation. Someone rents out or sells the equipment. There's a lot more work that goes into the process than just physically putting materials together and each of these people takes a cut, so up goes the price- on top of the already substantial materials and labor costs.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;42949387]right so you pay for the labor to build the house and you pay for the materials to make the house that shit is pretty fucking expensive and you probably wont be able to buy it all at once, so you will need to take out, get this, [I]a loan[/I] to pay for it![/QUOTE] then have government pay for the house. actually, why don't you treat housing like healthcare? everyone gets a free house with the necessities. if you want something more luxurious or larger you can go take out a loan yourself. everyone can get housing without becoming indebted to banks and people can still get nice shit if they really want to.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42949348]if you only pay for production costs then people do make money, the people who made the house get the money. [/QUOTE] yeah but nobody else makes money off of it, and thats the point. Not many people are going to front several hundred thousand dollars when they get absolutely no return out of, except for a momentary warm and fuzzy feeling in their heart. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42949418]then have government pay for the house. [/QUOTE] yeah lets ask Fred the Fed to ignore his trillions in debt and ask him to build millions of homes by using the cheapest labor possible, the cheapest and poorest quality materials possible, in the shortest time frame possible. Lets unionize it while we're at it and have them take 5 years to build a 2 bedroom house. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] is your next solution "why doesn't Fred just print more money???"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42949418]then have government pay for the house. actually, why don't you treat housing like healthcare? everyone gets a free house with the necessities. if you want something more luxurious or larger you can go take out a loan yourself. everyone can get housing without becoming indebted to banks and people can still get nice shit if they really want to.[/QUOTE] Is a self-styled anarchist saying he trusts government to be able to effectively manage tax funds to build houses? (and why would it be any cheaper if it's paid by taxes? It's not like having the government pay for it makes it free)

the fact that some people are defending the fact that someone who didn't deserve it was going to be pushed out of their home is fucking sickening you know who you are

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42949473]the fact that some people are defending the fact that someone who didn't deserve it was going to be pushed out of their home is fucking sickening you know who you are[/QUOTE] yeah being kicked out of your house sucks but if you don't pay for something you don't fully own, you're not gonna get to live in it. Same goes for a car, same goes for a couch you have an installment plan on. A bank isn't a fucking charity, don't damn them for not acting like one.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42949489]yeah being kicked out of your house sucks but if you don't pay for something you don't fully own, you're not gonna get to live in it. Same goes for a car, same goes for a couch you have an installment plan on. A bank isn't a fucking charity, don't damn them for not acting like one.[/QUOTE] I sincerely hope that something awful happens to you in the future that results in you being foreclosed on.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42949611]I sincerely hope that something awful happens to you in the future that results in you being foreclosed on.[/QUOTE] probably won't happen cause I pay for insurance, put most of my spare money into a savings account, have a budget, and I rent anyways, but I appreciate the sentiment.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42949611]I sincerely hope that something awful happens to you in the future that results in you being foreclosed on.[/QUOTE] Why? I have been saving since I was 14 for when bad shit happens. You have to anticipate things to go bad and plan for it, not demand help from the government or expect free labor. What type of world do you all think we live in?

[QUOTE=catbarf;42949442]Is a self-styled anarchist saying he trusts government to be able to effectively manage tax funds to build houses? (and why would it be any cheaper if it's paid by taxes? It's not like having the government pay for it makes it free)[/QUOTE] Greece has an own construction company, so they can build welfare housing relatively cheaply. (There's a lottery for those though.) yawmwen, what you're describing is basically the norm in most European countries, it's just that population density is high enough here that individual houses are already a bit of a luxury everywhere but the most rural areas - of which there aren't really [I]that[/I] many. Usually people get the rent for apartments up to a certain size or price, they have to move if they live in larger/more expensive ones though (here in Germany, at least. This may be just a cap on funding and not eviction though).

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42949676]probably won't happen cause I pay for insurance, put most of my spare money into a savings account, have a budget, and I rent anyways, but I appreciate the sentiment.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to be foreclosed upon because I pay insurance... what? What if you lose your job or you need medical help or whatnot, you could be broke tomorrow.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42949611]I sincerely hope that something awful happens to you in the future that results in you being foreclosed on.[/QUOTE] I wish for you to live in a time and place that history books will be written about in extensive detail.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42949442]Is a self-styled anarchist saying he trusts government to be able to effectively manage tax funds to build houses? (and why would it be any cheaper if it's paid by taxes? It's not like having the government pay for it makes it free)[/QUOTE] no i don't trust the government to do it. i trust the government to do it [i]better[/i] than it is now. being an anarchist doesn't mean that i can't look at certain options as being preferable to others. i mean if i went into this thread with a hard-line communist attitude, i would say to destroy the banks and for everyone to seize the houses themselves, but saying that for the billionth time is sorta tiring for everyone involved. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Tamschi;42949759] yawmwen, what you're describing is basically the norm in most European countries, it's just that population density is high enough here that individual houses are already a bit of a luxury everywhere but the most rural areas - of which there aren't really [I]that[/I] many.[/QUOTE] good, it's better than being thrown on the streets.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42949473]the fact that some people are defending the fact that someone who didn't deserve it was going to be pushed out of their home is fucking sickening[/QUOTE] Okay so if you want to buy a house but can't afford it and I give you a loan and you stop paying off the loan I'm supposed to do what, exactly? Allow you to keep the house you haven't paid for and forfeit the remainder of the loan? How is that fair? What do you [I]expect[/I] is the resolution here?

[QUOTE=catbarf;42950034]Okay so if you want to buy a house but can't afford it and I give you a loan and you stop paying off the loan I'm supposed to do what, exactly? Allow you to keep the house you haven't paid for and forfeit the remainder of the loan? How is that fair? What do you [I]expect[/I] is the resolution here?[/QUOTE] Cut the man a break because he's going through hard economic times and try and work out some kind of alternate payment plan or financial assistance because decent human beings don't put profit over people.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42949473]the fact that some people are defending the fact that someone who didn't deserve it was going to be pushed out of their home is fucking sickening you know who you are[/QUOTE] What kind of fantasy land do you live in?