[QUOTE=A_flyboy;33632331]If it were truly of value, they'd have either detonated it on impact, or sent one of our plethora of armed [B]UAV's to destroy it[/B].
If I recall properly, that one is supposed to be unarmed and for radar or something of the like.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what a war is, and how much it sucks?
Well, to my knowledge no country has ever hijacked a drone and landed it before, so I guess those Iranian hackers should be proud of themselves.
Once everyone's done awarding winners to a brutally oppressive theocracy simply because it stood against the US, though, was anything actually accomplished? From what I understand this drone is extremely low tech. The entire POINT of UAVs is to have a platform that is expendable.
No big deal. Thats like the first IPOD compared to our ITouch's
Its dinosaur technology compared to what we have to use.
And if it was something we wanted to protect, a covert team would have been sent in by now to destroy it.
The scare is how it is undamaged. There are rumors that Iran managed to hack into the navigation systems and fly it down.
[QUOTE=Remscar;33632772]
The scare is how it is undamaged. There are rumors that Iran managed to hack into the navigation systems and fly it down.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the original post?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33628103]Holy shit they weren't fucking around.
It's quite impressive they downed it. This thing is one of the most advanced pieces in arsenal of American Army.[/QUOTE]
They aren't encrypted, so hacking into them might be pretty damn easy.
[QUOTE=Remscar;33632772]And if it was something we wanted to protect, a covert team would have been sent in by now to destroy it.[/QUOTE]
sending a team to destroy an aircraft on another country's territory (where it shouldn't have been in the first place) while both countries aren't in a particularly good relationship is pretty likely to be interpreted as an act of war
im thinking if it was real/worth something significant, my country would be flipping absolute shit.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33632931]sending a team to destroy an aircraft on another country's territory (where it shouldn't have been in the first place) while both countries aren't in a particularly good relationship is pretty likely to be interpreted as an act of war[/QUOTE]
The Pentagon says they're concerned but clearly it's just a big plastic shell with a webcam and some rockets attached. Even if it isn't we would just blow it up because that's how foreign policy works.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;33632982]im thinking if it was real/worth something significant, my country would be flipping absolute shit.[/QUOTE]
Media totally did shit itself but it's more likely that if there was something to be seriously concerned about it would be being kept quiet. Particularly when America are the ones trespassing and in the wrong.
hah it's so obvious they faked it
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;33633027]hah it's so obvious they faked it[/QUOTE]
They faked it so well that their covert operatives in the Pentagon released a statement admitting they'd lost an unmanned aircraft.
Well one other idea I have is this:
In the Cold War the US and Soviets would test each other's capabilities. Want to know how good their radar is? Send an airplane to fly close to their border and see how close it can get till they react.
Maybe this is a high tech version of that. Maybe it's a drone whose purpose is to get hacked. It could be that it's a honeypot, a system that is designed to resist hacking just enough so that the hackers think they're cracking a secure system. Meanwhile the drone is relaying back data on the hackers, how they're doing it, what type of software, etc. This knowledge would allow you to create better security for your REAL drones.
yes when they train the processor to resist hacking they secretly give it weights that are only half the mass of what they should be so that when it gets hacked it thinks it's strong but it can only resist the hacking so much
Its one thing if iran gives it to russia, but if they give it to china...rq170 toys everywhere.
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Don't worry, they wont figure it out for a while and we will have something bigger and better by next month. i guarantee it.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;33633027]hah it's so obvious they faked it[/QUOTE]
wow
try to be less of an idiot
[editline]9th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TankMan;33633149]Its one thing if iran gives it to russia, but if they give it to china...rq170 toys everywhere.
[editline]8th December 2011[/editline]
Don't worry, they wont figure it out for a while and we will have something bigger and better by next month. i guarantee it.[/QUOTE]
That new UAS they showed off recently (in the last few days) is a copy of it anyway.
Gone are the days when you'd have to physically take technology to reverse engineer it.
[QUOTE=TankMan;33633149]Its one thing if iran gives it to russia, but if they give it to china...rq170 toys everywhere.
[editline]8th December 2011[/editline]
Don't worry, they wont figure it out for a while and we will have something bigger and better by next month. i guarantee it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks I was worried there for a second
[QUOTE=Flicker;33633065]They faked it so well that their covert operatives in the Pentagon released a statement admitting they'd lost an unmanned aircraft.[/QUOTE]
Its possible that the US lost it and it didn't fall into Iran's hands to be honest. Its not that much of a far fetched suggestion.
[QUOTE=Jsm;33633341]Its possible that the US lost it and it didn't fall into Iran's hands to be honest. Its not that much of a far fetched suggestion.[/QUOTE]
Except they declared they'd lost it over Iran after Iran said they had it. Why would they admit to losing a drone publicly unless someone had conclusive proof?
The only way I'll actually believe in the remote possibility that Iran, the first country apparently capable of taking down a drone electronically, is if they do it again.
Then I'd be a little more concerned.
It's more possible that it simply malfunctioned for whatever reason, crash landed in the desert over Iran and the Iranian military picked it up and puts it on display claiming it took it down as a boast.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;33632982]im thinking if it was real/worth something significant, my country would be flipping absolute shit.[/QUOTE]
I think the fact that there has been few and conflicting reports of the loss/capture of the drone a bigger indication that something is up.
I liked that crash landed idea except it doesn't look like a pilotless drone that crash landed anywhere. It looks almost as good as you'd expect it to look after a normal landing.
Someone mentioned a parachute. That's one way to explain a soft landing.
Another way is some kind of autopilot landing.
But that leaves the question, why would we want a top secret aircraft to fall neatly into enemy hands(remember, this is designed to fly over enemy territory)?
USA has amazing tech we have yet to be exposed to. This drone looks like some sci-fi shit
For the condition that it is in, there are lots of theories.
1)Faked
2)Sophisticated hack and hijack with full control
3)US malfunction
4)US conspiracy theory/test against defense systems on purpose
But if it was 4, why lose such a great design to the hands of the enemy? You'd think they would reverse-engineer it or sell it to potential buyers. (Ahem, China)
Considering [url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2011/1207/US-considered-missions-to-destroy-RQ-170-Sentinel-drone-lost-in-Iran]this[/url], [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57339834/u.s-official-iran-does-have-our-drone/]this[/url], [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57338265/officials-drone-downed-in-iran-on-cia-mission/?tag=contentMain;contentBody]this[/url] and [url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jfSu3sQpYp16okgsYnuF_0tB6jkQ?docId=ce7854d0126a4bd0982e6550f59bc689]this[/url], I think they do have something of interest.
Also to note, the plane isn't entirely undamaged. The leading edge appears to have some damage to it.
One more thing, from the last source...
[quote]Experts and officials acknowledge that there is [b]no self-destruct mechanism on the Sentinels[/b] — which are used both by the military and the CIA for classified surveillance and intelligence gathering missions.[/quote]
itt: we know better then military strategists
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33634256]But if it was 4, why lose such a great design to the hands of the enemy? You'd think they would reverse-engineer it or sell it to potential buyers. (Ahem, China)[/QUOTE]
What if the design of this particular drone is already compromised? Maybe the Chinese, Russians, and whoever else already acquired the design specs and other intelligence. It could be that Iran invited in(for a price) interested countries to examine it and they all said "Meh, I have one at home, welcome to last year".
Right now we don't have exact info on what kind of drone this is, and it's not like the US is going to admit "It's a crap drone" right now. Until the Iranians release proof of how advanced it is, I'm going with it's a sacrificed crap drone.
[QUOTE=Flicker;33633065]They faked it so well that their covert operatives in the Pentagon released a statement admitting they'd lost an unmanned aircraft.[/QUOTE]
No, he's right this is faked. We lost a drone so they built a replica of it and said that they got it by hacking into our network and stealing it. Seriously people look at the other images of the Sentinel, it's only got a similar general shape and even then not so much.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33634609]No, he's right this is faked. We lost a drone so they built a replica of it and said that they got it by hacking into our network and stealing it. Seriously people look at the other images of the Sentinel, it's only got a similar general shape and even then not so much.[/QUOTE]
Are you joking, it looks exactly like every other photo of it we have seen, just no stealth coating.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33634609]No, he's right this is faked. We lost a drone so they built a replica of it and said that they got it by hacking into our network and stealing it. Seriously people look at the other images of the Sentinel, it's only got a similar general shape and even then not so much.[/QUOTE]
What specifically, other than the colour do you see wrong with it compared to other pictures. Post pictures if you can.
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33634256]USA has amazing tech we have yet to be exposed to. This drone looks like some sci-fi shit
For the condition that it is in, there are lots of theories.
1)Faked
2)Sophisticated hack and hijack with full control
3)US malfunction
4)US conspiracy theory/test against defense systems on purpose
But if it was 4, why lose such a great design to the hands of the enemy? You'd think they would reverse-engineer it or sell it to potential buyers. (Ahem, China)[/QUOTE]
4. 4. [I]4[/I] [B][I]4[/I][/B]
Thats the thing, it may be a great design, but its at least a decade old. We have a successor already and its already taking pictures from areas that the Iranians [I]can't[/I] see. There is [I]no way[/I] that such an "advanced design" or something hailed as "one of the best things we have to use" would fall to the Iranians without a massive struggle so easily.
Its an old design. Likely cheaply made and it was bait for the Iranians. Deploy it, they see it, they use their 1337 haxx0ring skills and "hijack" one of "the most advanced drones in the US", and then they brag like hell and make themselves feel special while we use it as an example to decide how to deal with Iran on that front. Iran didn't just wanna get rid of it, they [I]wanted[/I] it. They wanted it because they think its the best thing we have and they want the goodies. I wouldn't be surprised if the most advanced thing in there is the high-res trollface painted on the inside of the hull, right next to where all the goodies are [I]supposed[/I] to be.
[QUOTE=Flicker;33633065]They faked it so well that their covert operatives in the Pentagon released a statement admitting they'd lost an unmanned aircraft.[/QUOTE]
of course they lost contact with it but how could they possibly shoot it down and have it turn up completely unscathed as it looks?
it's pretty funny to see how, as this story has developed, the general opinion went from
"there's no way iran could have shot it down, it's too high tech to be detectable and it's definitely not hackable and if anything it was a malfunction"
to
"yeah there is nothing of value in there it's like the shittiest technology we have plus we WANTED them to have it anyway and they hacked it because we let them uh"
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