Land Mine Treaty Won't Be Signed By Obama Administration - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18557141]Are we actively deploying land mines? I haven't heard anything about the US actually using them in Iraq, it seems like they would be pretty useless in a counterinsurgency role. Still, we have to protect the contractors who build them, and if Russia has something we're not going to go without it. At least Britain is the only country to build nuclear land mines.[/QUOTE] The problem lies in areas from previous wars where they were useful, i.e Korea.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;18557090]Somebody should just design deteriorating landmines. Maybe with a 2 year expiry date or something. granted I guess the enemy would come up with ways to exploit that.[/QUOTE] We already have those. America uses them, mainly with the air dropped type. [url]http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3667387.html[/url] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18557141]Are we actively deploying land mines? I haven't heard anything about the US actually using them in Iraq, it seems like they would be pretty useless in a counterinsurgency role.[/QUOTE] We do use some to protect around bases, which are surrounded by barbed wire and have the mine warning signs. [editline]11:51PM[/editline] Also we/America officially stopped producing land mines since 1997 [url]http://lm.icbl.org/index.php/publications/display?url=lm/2004/usa.html[/url] [editline]11:52PM[/editline] [quote=Landmine Monitor] Production The US has not produced antipersonnel mines since 1997 and is one of just fifteen countries left in the world that either actively produces them or reserves the right to do so. The new landmine policy announced in February 2004 states, “The United States will continue to develop non-persistent anti-personnel and anti-tank landmines.”[40] At least two research and development programs are now underway, which by March 2007, could result in the resumption of antipersonnel mine production. The United States produced 628,200 antipersonnel mines between fiscal years 1983 and 1992 for a total cost of $1.7 billion.[41] This included nine different mine types. The last non-self-destructing antipersonnel mines were procured in 1990 when the US Army bought nearly 80,000 M16A1 antipersonnel mines for $1.9 million. The last self-destructing/self-deactivating antipersonnel mines were produced between 1992 and 1997 when 450,000 ADAM and 13,200 CBU-89/B Gator mines were bought for $120 million. [/quote] Quoted from Landmine Monitor watchgroup

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18557159]USA: Always at the head of the pack. Right along with Myanmar. What we need is electronic landmines that can all be deactivated when a war is over.[/QUOTE] That technology could probably be easily exploited and the enemy could some how deactivate them just as easily. Though I agree we should take an initiative here and agree to this, there is reason not to when China and Russia will not.

Wow, what the fuck.

Gah, this really just makes me think of this: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs[/url] Anything regarding mines makes me think of minesweeper.

[QUOTE=hamberglar;18556991]And Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Russians, and Myanmar... People Seriously, what do you call someone from Myanmar?[/QUOTE] Burmese Also fuck this banning shit. You either fight wars 110% Or leave. Any in between bullshit is only going to bleed both sides to death. They already took away flame weapons and tactical nukes, and since when does the US military go to Sudan and giggle as the engineers place mines in football fields? If you aren't the country putting mines down everywhere you go, you shouldn't have to sign it. Hell if anything the Germans have quite a load they need to be picking up still. Even from as far back as WW1.

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You know the minefield set up by Rommel in WW2 still has thousands of landmines in it? Landmines do more harm then good these days. Sure they did better back in WW1 where it was common practice to charge large amounts of infantry, but today the tactic does more harm then good.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18557141]Are we actively deploying land mines? I haven't heard anything about the US actually using them in Iraq, it seems like they would be pretty useless in a counterinsurgency role.[/QUOTE] The US still has land mines along the 38th parallel. (The Korean DMZ)

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[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18558849]Burmese Also fuck this banning shit. You either fight wars 110% Or leave. Any in between bullshit is only going to bleed both sides to death. They already took away flame weapons and tactical nukes, and since when does the US military go to Sudan and giggle as the engineers place mines in football fields? If you aren't the country putting mines down everywhere you go, you shouldn't have to sign it. Hell if anything the Germans have quite a load they need to be picking up still. Even from as far back as WW1.[/QUOTE] I read this and was preparing a rebuke but then I saw your username and avatar and giggled my balls off. GMBO, as they call it on the intertubes.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18559167]I read this and was preparing a rebuke but then I saw your username and avatar and giggled my balls off. GMBO, as they call it on the intertubes.[/QUOTE] Uganda is 100% Mine free.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18557159]USA: Always at the head of the pack. Right along with Myanmar. What we need is electronic landmines that can all be deactivated when a war is over.[/QUOTE] They are actually working on such a thing. Though I doubt it will be in use any time soon. Basically it's an above ground pod covered in sensors that can somehow tell the difference between an ally, an enemy, or a civilian. If it's clear to shoot, it fires a round into the air that detects said enemy and blows it up. It can be turned on and off with the push of a button from miles away. Sounds really expensive though.

[QUOTE=hamberglar;18556991]And Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Russians, and Myanmar... People Seriously, what do you call someone from Myanmar?[/QUOTE] Burmese

[QUOTE=Carnotite;18557196]I just laid a minefield outside your house, go find and disarm every single one.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138[/url]

I remember hearing something about landmines that use a wood block or something to hold the detanator in, and when the wood rots, the mine becomes safe.

All the cool countries have signed it. [img]http://imgkk.com/i/rzz.png[/img]

[QUOTE=smurfy;18561722]All the cool countries have signed it. picture[/QUOTE] what does that remind us of? oh yes countries with capital punishment [img]http://www.deathwatchinternational.org/images/world_map.gif[/img] Kyoto protocol [img]http://www.global-greenhouse-warming.com/images/KyotoProtocol.jpg[/img]

Maybe make some electronic landmines that they can shut down with the push of a button? [editline]02:09PM[/editline] Probably too expensive though [editline]02:09PM[/editline] And eventually enemies will figure out how to hack it, making mine-clearing even easier

[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;18561932]what does that remind us of? oh yes countries with capital punishment pic Kyoto protocol pic[/QUOTE] Don't forget the metric system [img]http://imgkk.com/i/UQT.png[/img] and gay marriage. [img]http://imgkk.com/i/McF.png[/img]

How do these maps of other signed treaties have anything to do with this land mine discussion? Capital punishment, metric system, gay marriage, Kyoto Protocol all have nothing to do with this.

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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;18557440]Mine clearing vehicles. [img]http://www.gbnews.ch/portraits/fsd/Dok-Ing-MV4s.JPG[/img][/QUOTE] They're too Expensive for 3rd world countries and they aren't the most mobile of vehicles (hell they'd need their path cleared to clear the path).

[QUOTE=TAU!;18557146]Then why not find them and get rid of them?[/QUOTE] ... what? Would I interest you in a plane ticket to mine-riddled Cambodia and Vietnam?

[QUOTE=The golden;18562584]Advanced or advancing countries. Because of the shit you see in the graphs + the OP topic + Tons of other shit, I wouldn't consider the US to be one.[/QUOTE] Nothing wrong with capital punishment if we're talking about someone like the 9/11 planners, DC sniper etc. I don't really mind gay marriage, don't really care about it. So the USA can do what they want about it. I don't see whats wrong with them having their own measurements for their own country. And give some examples of " tons other shit."

[QUOTE=TAU!;18557146]Then why not find them and get rid of them?[/QUOTE] Lol god damn, don't even know where to start

If America sign it, other countries might sign it but carry on using them. It's an unfair advantage.

The problem tends to be the anti personnel mines, which we never deploy anymore. We do however use anti vehicle mines.

[QUOTE=GunFox;18564161]The problem tends to be the anti personnel mines, which we never deploy anymore. We do however use anti vehicle mines.[/QUOTE] What's the difference? Bigger bang?

[QUOTE=Epidemick;18564184]What's the difference? Bigger bang?[/QUOTE] Well anti vehicle mines generally don't go off for people stepping on them and tend to focus around killing the single vehicle right on top of them. Anti personnel mines are all about killing a squad of people. One guy steps on the mine, the mine shoots into the air, and airbursts a cloud of shrapnel horribly wounding everyone nearby. They tend to be small and difficult to disarm. AP mines generally aren't designed to kill. They are designed to wound a large number of people as to cripple the enemy advance. Wounded soldiers that can never return to action are much more useful casualties than enemy soldiers KIA as they place increase strain on your opponent's resources. Whereas Anti vehicular mines don't want to be triggered by people. Their triggers tend to be designed around only detonating for vehicles passing over them. From what I understand they are now placed and then monitored by the group that placed them. They aren't just randomly placed about to halt the enemy advance because there are no battle lines. I believe with that in mind, modern AV mines are easier to disarm. (For the group that placed them)