Land Mine Treaty Won't Be Signed By Obama Administration

[Mr_Sun]

fuck

i dont see whats going on
is the Human Rights guy promoting use of Landmines?
its retarded, its war and isnt Human Rights against fighting? or are they just FOR it just cus "everybody should have rights " -and all that retarded stuff that goes WAY too far sometimes.

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18569411]lol yes someone's going to invade finland in this day and age

list of natural resources finland has:

[b]1. hot scandinavian chicks[/b]
2. oily fish
3. ...[/QUOTE]

Only reason needed.

[Boba_Fett]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18569514]Only reason needed.[/QUOTE]
Let's invade Finland.

[don868]

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18557141]Are we actively deploying land mines? I haven't heard anything about the US actually using them in Iraq, it seems like they would be pretty useless in a counterinsurgency role.

Still, we have to protect the contractors who build them, and if Russia has something we're not going to go without it.

At least Britain is the only country to build nuclear land mines.[/QUOTE]

The United States is, I forgot what its called but it deploys a disk type thing into the air which is like a cluster bomb and it supposedly has some kind of Identification method to tell what the target is. It's mainly used for taking out armored vehicles. In the prototype stages it could only take out T-90's.

[johngrimm]

Should just be a mandate that makes it so all deployed landmines have a chip on them with individual identifications numbers kept in a specific region's catalogue. Then when they're no longer needed they can go and pick them all up.

Getting your fucking legs blown off because you went for a walk to the grocery store sucks.

[TacError]

[QUOTE=don868;18572594]The United States is, I forgot what its called but it deploys a disk type thing into the air which is like a cluster bomb and it supposedly has some kind of Identification method to tell what the target is. It's mainly used for taking out armored vehicles. In the prototype stages it could only take out T-90's.[/QUOTE]

It's called the GATOR mine system or something like that. Explosively formed penetrator to the belly and any vehicle's toast.

[Robert!]

[QUOTE=evilking1;18569287]There are no good replacements for cluster bombs, I just wondered why my government bought those damn things to replace landmines, when landmines could just sit in the warehouse for free.

"Better to have one civilian get killed by a landmine than a thousand by the invading army" -evilking1[/QUOTE]

There is a new cluster bomb, more like a smart one. It uses EFP.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THZvZ6S4C14[/media]

[Idi Amin]

[QUOTE=johngrimm;18573903]Should just be a mandate that makes it so all deployed landmines have a chip on them with individual identifications numbers kept in a specific region's catalogue. Then when they're no longer needed they can go and pick them all up.

Getting your fucking legs blown off because you went for a walk to the grocery store sucks.[/QUOTE]

most of these mines in 3rd world countries are WW2 surplus... from russia and Nazi germany

The US doesn't make shitty old mines and It doesn't place them in Africa so why sign it?

[Trotsky]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18562078]How do these maps of other signed treaties have anything to do with this land mine discussion?

Capital punishment, metric system, gay marriage, Kyoto Protocol all have nothing to do with this.[/QUOTE]

America is a little backwards.

[editline]11:35PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18566822][IMG]http://pollypartisan.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/democratdonkey.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

The democrats are barely center-left.

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=johngrimm;18573903]Should just be a mandate that makes it so all deployed landmines have a chip on them with individual identifications numbers kept in a specific region's catalogue.[/QUOTE]
Won't work.
You'd be giving people the capacity to brute-force them off (presuming what you mean is "chip each mine and give them a deactivation code.")
Either that or they'd be vulnerable to electromagnetic interference.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18556944]Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/24/land-mine-treaty-wont-be_n_369658.html[/url]

Watch your step[/QUOTE]
So do you spend all day looking for stories that make Obama look bad or what?

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;18590543]
So do you spend all day looking for stories that make Obama look bad or what?[/QUOTE]

No, I just pick stories that will spark controversy in the News section. It's interesting to watch arguments go back and forth, and time how quickly it degenerates into name calling.

Plus, what makes him "look bad" is relative. Quite a few people here say it's a good thing he's not signing, so to them, it's making Obama "look good".

[Trotsky]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18591541]No, I just pick stories that will spark controversy in the News section. It's interesting to watch arguments go back and forth, and time how quickly it degenerates into name calling.

Plus, what makes him "look bad" is relative. Quite a few people here say it's a good thing he's not signing, so to them, it's making Obama "look good".[/QUOTE]

no, you're pretty jaded.

[POLOPOZOZO]

Oh look all the nations with nukes said no.

Except Myanmar, they have no nukes.

[editline]08:16PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;18568421]Might work if there was no such thing as trees, rocks, or elevation.[/QUOTE]

I never heard of people planting mines under trees, rocks, or hills.

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18591541]No, I just pick stories that will spark controversy in the News section. It's interesting to watch arguments go back and forth, and time how quickly it degenerates into name calling.[/QUOTE]
No, you mostly pick stories with a transparently conservative bias to them or stories that are just random bullshit.

It's always:
Obama's looking worse in the polls.
Obama isn't inviting people to a state dinner. (Oh dear, that's not bipartisan.)
Obama's looking at handling the war in Afghanistan differently. ("We've been at war with them for eight years, now we're paving the way for them to just take it all back.")
Obama's looking at Pakistan ("'surgical air strikes' are nice and all, but don't you need actual ground troops to get, hold and keep ground? Isn't that the whole point of having an Army?")
Obama is implied to have or have considered an "enemies list" ala Nixon.
Or some bullshit like we're not doing enough fighting in Afghanistan. ("I'm not a general, and I don't assume I know complex military strategies, but wouldn't this be a bad idea to basically 'retreat to the cities?'")

Or, on occasion, you post something about shooting camels or finding another Stonehenge.

Controversy my ass. You're picking on the current administration. This isn't posting major issues or things Obama's doing that are actually important, it's posting every single fucking thing you can find and making snide remarks all the while.

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;18601552]No, you mostly pick stories with a transparently conservative bias to them or stories that are just random bullshit.

It's always:
Obama's looking worse in the polls.
Obama isn't inviting people to a state dinner. (Oh dear, that's not bipartisan.)
Obama's looking at handling the war in Afghanistan differently. ("We've been at war with them for eight years, now we're paving the way for them to just take it all back.")
Obama's looking at Pakistan ("'surgical air strikes' are nice and all, but don't you need actual ground troops to get, hold and keep ground? Isn't that the whole point of having an Army?")
Obama is implied to have or have considered an "enemies list" ala Nixon.
Or some bullshit like we're not doing enough fighting in Afghanistan. ("I'm not a general, and I don't assume I know complex military strategies, but wouldn't this be a bad idea to basically 'retreat to the cities?'")

Or, on occasion, you post something about shooting camels or finding another Stonehenge.

Controversy my ass. You're picking on the current administration. This isn't posting major issues or things Obama's doing that are actually important, it's posting every single fucking thing you can find and making snide remarks all the while.[/QUOTE]

If this forum were mostly conservative, I would post pro-Obama articles.

[Trotsky]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18601641]If this forum were mostly conservative, I would post pro-Obama articles.[/QUOTE]

you're acting like conservatives are a dying breed on FP. no you deluded assholes are still around.

[editline]07:18PM[/editline]

and for the record, you wouldn't

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18601692]you're acting like conservatives are a dying breed on FP. no you deluded assholes are still around.[/QUOTE]
Case in point.

I'm a card carrying member of the GOP, and the constant ragging on the smallest shit Obama does is embarassing me.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18601641]If this forum were mostly conservative, I would post pro-Obama articles.[/QUOTE]
So you acknowledge you're trolling for reactions.

[Trotsky]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;18601724]
I'm a card carrying member of the GOP[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry for your loss

[evilking1]

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18601796]I'm sorry for your loss[/QUOTE]

:smugdog:

[Foda]

Alright,
1. US landmines are designed to self-destruct after a set amount of time.
2. We need landmines on the 38th Parallel in Korea
3. Landmine fields must be marked. It's a warcrime if you don't.

Check out the US landmine policy:
[url]http://www.state.gov/t/pm/wra/c11735.htm[/url]

[tempcon]

[QUOTE=Foda;18603081]Alright,
1. US landmines are designed to self-destruct after a set amount of time.
2. We need landmines on the 38th Parallel in Korea
3. Landmine fields must be marked. It's a warcrime if you don't.

Check out the US landmine policy:
[url]http://www.state.gov/t/pm/wra/c11735.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

1. MODERN landmines are, old ones aren't.

[johngrimm]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;18590543]Won't work.
You'd be giving people the capacity to brute-force them off (presuming what you mean is "chip each mine and give them a deactivation code.")
Either that or they'd be vulnerable to electromagnetic interference.[/QUOTE]

The only thing the chip would do is show exactly where the mine is so a demolitions crew could clean up the mines layed down through a catalogue instead of just sweeping a general area and most likely missing mines or endangering themselves.

[Mr. Someguy]

[QUOTE=Conscript;18603233]1. MODERN landmines are, old ones aren't.[/QUOTE]

Well the US isn't using old land mines, now is it?

[PartyPancake]

Why ban landmines? They do their job well. Might as well ban kitchen knives while we're at it, they kill hundreds of people a year. :rolleyes:

[Trotsky]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;18616258]Well the US isn't using old land mines, now is it?[/QUOTE]

They don't magically disappear after you make new landmines

and where do you think the old US landmines go? They go to third world countries that the US arms.

[editline]05:20PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=PartyPancake;18617492]Why ban landmines? They do their job well. Might as well ban kitchen knives while we're at it, they kill hundreds of people a year. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

This is stupid

like

really fucking stupid

you should feel bad

[evilking1]

[QUOTE=PartyPancake;18617492]Why ban landmines? They do their job well. Might as well ban kitchen knives while we're at it, they kill hundreds of people a year. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

brb cutting the cake with a claymore

[Hunt3r.j2]

[QUOTE=evilking1;18568205]1) Landmines are mostly a defensive tool against a huge was that is very unlikely to happen
[/QUOTE]
what is this I don't even.

No, seriously, what?

[Idi Amin]

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18619116]They don't magically disappear after you make new landmines

and where do you think the old US landmines go? They go to third world countries that the US arms.

[editline]05:20PM[/editline]

This is stupid

like

really fucking stupid

you should feel bad[/QUOTE]

What type of land mine do we issue to our allies with the current kit? Please do go on.

From wikipedia - " we can get some ideas from memories of Erwin Rommel commander of the German-Italian forces at North Africa. He said that 80,000 mines were laid at the Buerat-Line in Libya, and most of them are anti-personnel mines[1]. It’s to be noticed that the battle of Buerat (or wadi Zem-Zem) wasn’t one of the major battles of the North African campaign, like battles at Tobruk, El Alamein , or the Libyan-Egyptian frontier."

source [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mines_in_North_Africa[/url]

type of mine [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_mine[/url]

users of mine, Nazi Germany, Finland and other Axis powers.

[editline]10:16PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18601796]I'm sorry for your loss[/QUOTE]

So if a person does not fully agree with your political idealism 110% they are a barbarian idiot that you are superior too in every way shape and form.

Sig Heil!

[editline]10:16PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18568334]literally murder the entire united states[/QUOTE]

troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll

[Trotsky]

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18656830]

So if a person does not fully agree with your political idealism 110% they are a barbarian idiot that you are superior too in every way shape and form.

Sig Heil!
[/QUOTE]

Only if their political ideal is barbaric and idiotic

[editline]05:20AM[/editline]

Which conservatism is

[Idi Amin]

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18656966]Only if their political ideal is barbaric and idiotic

[editline]05:20AM[/editline]

Which conservatism is[/QUOTE]

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer