Study shows girls (ages 3 to 5) reject fat dolls to play with. They consistently prefer thin version - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43667784]Not when it comes to looks they're not[/QUOTE] There is no objective guide to what looks good to people. Faces are very hard to peg and there being so many different types of faces the idea that we have a natural standard is a little off base. There are aspects of beauty that appeal to us more than others as a rule, but that doesn't make for an objective standard either. As long as a face has symmetry, even proportions and well scaled features(eyes/nose/lips/ears) we're going to like it, but there's a lot more to it than that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669107]There is no objective guide to what looks good to people. Faces are very hard to peg and there being so many different types of faces the idea that we have a natural standard is a little off base. There are aspects of beauty that appeal to us more than others as a rule, but that doesn't make for an objective standard either. As long as a face has symmetry, even proportions and well scaled features(eyes/nose/lips/ears) we're going to like it, but there's a lot more to it than that.[/QUOTE] Fat has a habit of screwing up those even proportions and scaled features though, so there's a reason people generally don't find fat people attractive. Plus there's the whole unhealthy aspect of it.

[QUOTE=Death_God;43668835]sorry sir i dont listen to people who think this [img]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/really-fat-man.jpg[/img] is healthy[/QUOTE] Could that be a strawman?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43669230]Fat has a habit of screwing up those even proportions and scaled features though, so there's a reason people generally don't find fat people attractive. Plus there's the whole unhealthy aspect of it.[/QUOTE] What's your scale for "fat" here? Is 5 lbs "fat"? 10? 15? 20? Where is the unhealthy line that is so easily defined? Is that based on an objective scale or a scale of modern times? Fat used to be a much more attractive trait than it is today And yes, fat can change those aspects but it isn't always the case that it makes them entirely worse.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669107]There is no objective guide to what looks good to people. Faces are very hard to peg and there being so many different types of faces the idea that we have a natural standard is a little off base. There are aspects of beauty that appeal to us more than others as a rule, but that doesn't make for an objective standard either. As long as a face has symmetry, even proportions and well scaled features(eyes/nose/lips/ears) we're going to like it, but there's a lot more to it than that.[/QUOTE] Still far from arbitrary. People who find fat attractive are few and far between.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43669288]Still far from arbitrary. People who find fat attractive are few and far between.[/QUOTE] What are you calling "fat"? That's the thing, you guys are just saying "well fat people are ugly and no one likes them" but what is the line you are calling fat exactly? Is fat someone who's 10 or 15 lbs overweight? And if it's not arbitrary, please define the objective line of reasoning the human mind follows

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669332]What are you calling "fat"? That's the thing, you guys are just saying "well fat people are ugly and no one likes them" but what is the line you are calling fat exactly? Is fat someone who's 10 or 15 lbs overweight? [/QUOTE] I know it when I see it. Just like porn.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43669416]I know it when I see it. Just like porn.[/QUOTE] so it's an arbitrary line good it's meaningless and you admitted it

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669332]What are you calling "fat"? That's the thing, you guys are just saying "well fat people are ugly and no one likes them" but what is the line you are calling fat exactly? Is fat someone who's 10 or 15 lbs overweight? And if it's not arbitrary, please define the objective line of reasoning the human mind follows[/QUOTE] The human mind does not follow objective lines, that's not how our brains work. However, most people have similar standards for who is fat and who isn't, that's why it's not arbitrary

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;43662201][B]thin privilege is real!!1 [/B][/QUOTE] thin privilege is bullshit

[QUOTE=Death_God;43668835]sorry sir i dont listen to people who think this [img]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/really-fat-man.jpg[/img] is healthy[/QUOTE] But all that fat protects his vital organs from being stabbed or shot!

[QUOTE=Shinycow;43662021]This is a good thing. Being fat is not a good thing. Good.[/QUOTE] [quote]And, while 70 per cent of the girls said they’d like to play with the thin doll and 20 per cent the average-size, just 10 per cent wanted the chubby doll. [/quote] Sounds more like indoctrination than anything to me. They had a similar study with black and while dolls [video=youtube;WG7U1QsUd1g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7U1QsUd1g[/video]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669447]so it's an arbitrary line good it's meaningless and you admitted it[/QUOTE] Eh, it's an arbitrary line a buttload of people share.

again, where is this line? is 10lbs overweight? or is that overweight on one person and not another? What looks bad on one person is not always going to make another person look the same.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669537]again, where is this line? is 10lbs overweight? or is that overweight on one person and not another? What looks bad on one person is not always going to make another person look the same.[/QUOTE] The line is wherever people agree it is. This isn't rocket surgery dude.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43669537]again, where is this line? is 10lbs overweight? or is that overweight on one person and not another? What looks bad on one person is not always going to make another person look the same.[/QUOTE] This is just an excuse fat people use, nothing more. If you use that excuse then you are probably way past the arbitrary fat line. Sorry for the ad hominem

[QUOTE=AntonioR;43669019]Can somebody provide a picture of a fat doll ? As far as I know all "fat" dolls actually represent babies, and babies are not really thin and lean. On the other hand thin dolls usually represent teenagers or grown ups. So IMO all this research is based on BS. It's not fat vs. thin, maybe they are just more interested in grown ups than babies, which is logical because they want to learn, grow up, and be like them...[/QUOTE] Havent been able to find pictures but the dolls they used for this were custom made, all had the same face, and clothing. So they weren't just pulling some pre-made entirely different dolls to use.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;43669019]Can somebody provide a picture of a fat doll ? [/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i2.asntown.net/15/barbie-doll-after-thanksgiving.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=sgman91;43663439]Yeah, I go from being classed as overweight (when I'm in pretty good shape and wouldn't be considered fat at all) to obese (when carrying 10 or more extra pounds). I'm 6'4 and very broad. The annoying part is that doctors still pretend like I should lose another 20-40 pounds in order to be classified as healthy when I would have to be distinctly unhealthy if I were to do so.[/QUOTE] if your doctor only uses BMI he/She is wrong in their classification and probably don't want to pay to actually find out how healthy you are. there are a lot more accurate measures of body weight such as Body Adipose Iindex = (hip/height x the square root of height) minus 18. or Hydrostatic Weighing or for extreme precision Dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43669668]This is just an excuse fat people use, nothing more. If you use that excuse then you are probably way past the arbitrary fat line. Sorry for the ad hominem[/QUOTE] No I'm about 10 lbs overweight but I don't look it. I used to be fat and struggled with my weight but I lost it for the most part The idea that there's some uniquely agreed upon line is weird when you can't even define it at all. I don't look at all forms of overweight people as badly as you do, and yet you have to call me fat for it? apologizing doesn't make it okay or rebuke you from that. [editline]25th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43669585]The line is wherever people agree it is. This isn't rocket surgery dude.[/QUOTE] so why can't you clarify where it is if you're part of this? it's not rocket surgery dude

[QUOTE=Abrown516;43663405]Sexual discrimination starts the day you're born, when you get a blue blanket or a pink blanket.[/QUOTE] Um yeah or maybe it's to differentiate babies because all babies look the fucking same And as someone said the colors used to be swapped so it really doesn't have any sort of importance. I mean shit even the whole weight thing is inconsistent, in the late 19th century people used to be all over girls with a fair amount of fat because fat meant big titties. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boule_de_Suif]Maupassant wrote an entire book about it[/url].

I don't know why you guys are trying to defend/attack BMI, it's meant for comparing the approximate weight height ratio to of a large populous not a singular person. A more accurate way of checking how healthy you are is by looking at your caloric intake, recommended caloric intake and body fat in concurrency with each other on top of that they take about 5 minutes to do all the tests required. On topic, I don't doubt there being some kind of stimulus in early childhood predisposing them to this kind of behaviour. The children pointing out that they are unhealthy and slow are true, but their social standings need to change, not all 'fat' people are unfriendly, unkind, unsociable ect

bmi of 35 come at me shitlords

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43669466]thin privilege is bullshit[/QUOTE] 1/26/2014 - The day MaxOfS2D said something smart

Being fat is a negative thing but dolls really do set an unrealistic standard that can't be met by alot of girls. Personally, I'd just give a kid some lego with generic lego people who all have the same body.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43662041]If I ever have a daughter I'm going to try and teach her to prefer the toys that involved the largest amount of environmental destruction to manufacture. More plastic? Better toy![/QUOTE] Good thing we wont have to worry about that.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43669230]Fat has a habit of screwing up those even proportions and scaled features though, so there's a reason people generally don't find fat people attractive[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;43669288]Still far from arbitrary. People who find fat attractive are few and far between.[/QUOTE] but 200+ years ago you'd be dead wrong so there's obviously an element of social norms and whatever aspirational image we're forcefed to it

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43681210]but 200+ years ago you'd be dead wrong so there's obviously an element of social norms and whatever aspirational image we're forcefed to it[/QUOTE] 200+ years ago food was not available every day for all three meals. Back then fat meant that a pregnant woman wouldn't starve to death while being pregnant. Now you don't need that fat because you can eat every day. If for some reason food goes scarce, we will be more attracted to fatties again. But until then nah.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43681210]but 200+ years ago you'd be dead wrong so there's obviously an element of social norms and whatever aspirational image we're forcefed to it[/QUOTE] In Africa fat is generally a good thing. Its completely cultural.

[QUOTE=Sally;43681007]Good thing we wont have to worry about that.[/QUOTE] same sex couples can adopt in canada