[QUOTE=itisjuly;39083266]While I agree that it's useful for some, I still think it should be optional for people who do not use it like that. Most of my metro real estate would be empty as I have 4 apps pinned to start menu in total.[/QUOTE]
Well, I agree that they should probably have made it optional if they wanted to really succeed with Windows 8. While I like the change, many people will dismiss it at first glance.
if they made it optional, nobody would use the new start menu
then this same forum would complain about how windows is bloated and microsoft needs to get rid of legacy stuff
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39083568]if they made it optional, nobody would use the new start menu
then this same forum would complain about how windows is bloated and microsoft needs to get rid of legacy stuff[/QUOTE]
Well, convertibles and such would run it by default. Let's rest the case, I really can't say how it'd have played out.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39083568]if they made it optional, nobody would use the new start menu
...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I wonder why. It's not as if it's sub-par or anything compared to the old one or designed around an input method most people don't have.
Maybe I'll upgrade to Windows 9. Or if some really awesome updates come out for Windows 8. In like two years.
[QUOTE=Del91;39088488]Maybe I'll upgrade to Windows 9. Or if some really awesome updates come out for Windows 8. In like two years.[/QUOTE]
Windows Blue should be out in June-July something.
Windows Blue is probably going to just improve upon the Metro screen. I don't see why people hate it and if you guys do, download Start8 and call it a day but to deny that Windows 8 has brought some great features and performance improvements to the table is idiotic to say the least.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;39086971]Yeah, I wonder why. It's not as if it's sub-par or anything compared to the old one or designed around an input method most people don't have.[/QUOTE]
I personally can't get my head around Mac, but supposedly it's made for mouse and keyboard. Maybe it's simply because the UI is sub-par? Nah, that'd be silly, it's not like Vista is still more widely used than all OSX versions put together.
See, I can write bullshit, too.
Like it or not, touch input is here to stay and in 20 years, we're going to be glad Microsoft catered to that audience. My work is even considering giving out a majority of its employees some of those nice laptop-slate hybrids and we just got one in for assessment and well based on my experience, it's great for what we do and I wouldn't be surprised if the hybrid thing takes off in 1-2 years from now.
I will gladly improved anything but I am the odd one out of the bunch. Unfortunately people don't like change, regardless of whether it's good or bad and well, that's depressing to say the least.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39088716]I personally can't get my head around Mac, but supposedly it's made for mouse and keyboard. Maybe it's simply because the UI is sub-par? Nah, that'd be silly, it's not like Vista is still more widely used than all OSX versions put together.
See, I can write bullshit, too.[/QUOTE]
Indeed you can, gold star.
No idea what that has to do with me claiming most people don't have touch screen computers though.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;39088894]Indeed you can, gold star.
No idea what that has to do with me claiming most people don't have touch screen computers though.[/QUOTE]
It was an argument about UIs - I don't personally believe a UI is inherently made for one input method. Just because you don't like the UI doesn't mean it's sub-par (have you even used it?), just the same way OSX' UI isn't necessarily shit because I don't personally like it.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39089354]It was an argument about UIs - I don't personally believe a UI is inherently made for one input method. Just because you don't like the UI doesn't mean it's sub-par [b](have you even used it?)[/b], just the same way OSX' UI isn't necessarily shit because I don't personally like it.[/QUOTE]
You can keep on using this bullshit argument to disregard our opinion, but some of us actually have used it and still don't like it.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39089899]You can keep on using this bullshit argument to disregard our opinion, but some of us actually have used it and still don't like it.[/QUOTE]
It's not a bullshit argument at all. I won't discuss a UI with someone that hasn't even used it, it wouldn't make any sense. I'll readily discuss it with you, if you'd like that. I don't see why your opinion should should make his any more legitimate, though. If he has used it (and I haven't claimed that he hasn't, I merely asked whether it was the case), I'll be glad to discuss it with him as well.
What is bullshit is that you assume he hasn't used it just because he doesn't likes it. As if you'll only not like it when you haven't used it. There's no reason to ask, and there's no reason to assume he hasn't. I have no need to discuss it, you like it, I don't and that's that.
I hated it.
Then I actually tried it.
Now I enjoy it.
Sleeker, more minimalistic.
For all the people who complain about the Metro UI, you never ever see it.
It serves the same purpose as the old start menu. You never have it open for more than 5 seconds.
You still spend 99% of your time in your desktop.
People hate change, and this is change.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39089354]It was an argument about UIs - I don't personally believe a UI is inherently made for one input method. Just because you don't like the UI doesn't mean it's sub-par (have you even used it?), just the same way OSX' UI isn't necessarily shit because I don't personally like it.[/QUOTE]
I have used it (Running it right now, as if that somehow makes my criticism more worthwhile), and yes UIs can be designed around specific input devices (Mice don't work well with CLIs, as an example)
I'm not saying the UI is bad just because I don't like it, I'm saying it's bad because it's specifically designed for a machine/input method that most people don't have (Every single bit of Marketing material I've seen about Win8 for MS has resolved around the Surface, even the marketing stuff they sent me after installing 8 referred solely to the Surface)
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39089978]What is bullshit is that you assume he hasn't used it just because he doesn't likes it. As if you'll only not like it when you haven't used it. There's no reason to ask, and there's no reason to assume he hasn't. I have no need to discuss it, you like it, I don't and that's that.[/QUOTE]
I assumed nothing, I asked whether he has. Fact is, there's a lot of people giving it slack without even trying it out properly. Is it really so outragoues of me to ask? It's a simple yes/no question, and a very small part of my post.
I agree on the last part of your post, though, but he said he thought the UI was sub-par, and I'd say it's quite important whether he has used it or not.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;39090326]I have used it (Running it right now, as if that somehow makes my criticism more worthwhile), and yes UIs can be designed around specific input devices (Mice don't work well with CLIs, as an example)
I'm not saying the UI is bad just because I don't like it, I'm saying it's bad because it's specifically designed for a machine/input method that most people don't have (Every single bit of Marketing material I've seen about Win8 for MS has resolved around the Surface, even the marketing stuff they sent me after installing 8 referred solely to the Surface)[/QUOTE]
I probably lack a "necessarily" in the UI argument - if you go back to page 9 or something you'll see me arguing exactly that the software needs to be there as well.
Anyway, in the case of Windows 8, I've found that it works well with either. I've seen marketing for mainly convertibles, but quite a few normal laptops as well. There's no surface ads here in Denmark, since it's not available here. Maybe Microsoft's just using it's own -quite attractive - product to market its own OS? Isn't really that unreasonable.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39090397]I assumed nothing, I asked whether he has. Fact is, there's a lot of people giving it slack without even trying it out properly. Is it really so outragoues of me to ask? It's a simple yes/no question, and a very small part of my post.
I agree on the last part of your post, though, but he said he thought the UI was sub-par, and I'd say it's quite important whether he has used it or not.[/QUOTE]
I'm just a tad bit annoyed because pro-8 people keep asking that question over and over whenever someone says they don't like metro.
I honest doubt anyone who "REFUSES TO USE WINDOWS 8" has actually ever tried it. It's a faster Windows 7 with a full screen start menu (which requires a bit of organization on your part but otherwise it looks great). Even if you hate it, having your account based on your Live/Outlook account is a great idea and the speed improvements and improvements to multi-monitor setups is great.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39090475]I honest doubt anyone who "REFUSES TO USE WINDOWS 8" has actually ever tried it. It's a faster Windows 7 with a full screen start menu (which requires a bit of organization on your part but otherwise it looks great). Even if you hate it, having your account based on your [B]Live/Outlook account[/B] is a great idea and the speed improvements and improvements to multi-monitor setups is great.[/QUOTE]
One of the other reasons I don't want to use win8. I couldn't find a way to use a different password than my windows live pass to login, and I don't know my live password by heart, quite annoying.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39090494]One of the other reasons I don't want to use win8. I couldn't find a way to use a different password than my windows live pass to login, and I don't know my live password by heart, quite annoying.[/QUOTE]
Change it? Make a new account? Obviously if you don't know it by heart it isn't that important. Make a local account?
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39090509]Change it? Make a new account? Obviously if you don't know it by heart it isn't that important. Make a local account?[/QUOTE]
I don't know it by heart because I use a password manager and random 15-character passwords for all my accounts. If I used a local account I wouldn't be able to use win8 to the full extend could I now?
It's like having to login to your google account every time you turn on your screen on your android phone, it's ridiculous that I can't set a separate lockscreen password (unless you can and I just can't find it).
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39090522]I don't know it by heart because I use a password manager and random 15-character passwords for all my accounts. If I used a local account I wouldn't be able to use win8 to the full extend could I now?
It's like having to login to your google account every time you turn on your screen on your android phone, it's ridiculous that I can't set a separate lockscreen password (unless you can and I just can't find it).[/QUOTE]
Why do you need a 15 character password? IF you're really that uptight about your password, why not just tone it down for that one account?
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39090538]Why do you need a 15 character password? IF you're really that uptight about your password, why not just tone it down for that one account?[/QUOTE]
Because that'd have a major impact on my lastpass security score :(
Why would I NOT need a 15-character password?
My passwords used to be like 6 characters, something like this
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2013-01-04_12-41-28.png[/img]
Now with 15 random characters
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2013-01-04_12-39-32.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Francisco;39057366]you can still see school pcs with xp and ie6[/QUOTE]
i'm on it right now! though i installed chrome on this machine
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39090522]I don't know it by heart because I use a password manager and random 15-character passwords for all my accounts. If I used a local account I wouldn't be able to use win8 to the full extend could I now?
It's like having to login to your google account every time you turn on your screen on your android phone, it's ridiculous that I can't set a separate lockscreen password (unless you can and I just can't find it).[/QUOTE]
There's some extra stuff in Windows 8 that requires a windows live account, but iirc there's nothing you could do in windows 7 that now requires you to log in with a live account.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39090449]I'm just a tad bit annoyed because pro-8 people keep asking that question over and over whenever someone says they don't like metro.[/QUOTE]
Look at the people coming into the Windows 8 thread and you'll understand why I'm asking. There's some people that I know for a fact are scared of windows 8, and that'sdrom the horses mouth. No matter, he's apparently running it, so there's nothing to get there.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39090621]Because that'd have a major impact on my lastpass security score :(
Why would I NOT need a 15-character password?
My passwords used to be like 6 characters, something like this
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2013-01-04_12-41-28.png[/img]
Now with 15 random characters
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2013-01-04_12-39-32.png[/img][/QUOTE]
LastPass bros internet high-five!
[QUOTE=Hubsha;39090098]I hated it.
Then I actually tried it.
Now I enjoy it.
Sleeker, more minimalistic.
For all the people who complain about the Metro UI, you never ever see it.
It serves the same purpose as the old start menu. You never have it open for more than 5 seconds.
You still spend 99% of your time in your desktop.
People hate change, and this is change.[/QUOTE]
Exactly right, it took me a while to see that it is better than the old start menu, its certainly a damn site better looking.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39090522]If I used a local account I wouldn't be able to use win8 to the full extend could I now?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes you could, every application that requires windows live authentication would just ask you for a login separately.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
have you actually even used Windows 8? This is the kind of shit you pick up on after 5 minutes of use.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39091120]LastPass bros internet high-five![/QUOTE]
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2013-01-04_14-05-30.png[/img]
<3
It would be higher but for some fucking retarded reason my bank doesn't allow more than 12 characters and some mail box my dad has is only 6 characters and I can't change it :(
Having a strong password is good and all, but from what I've seen, most passwords aren't cracked (which would take a ridiculous amount of time for just a couple of passwords and that's assuming they're simple enough to be cracked in the first place), but are taken from the website's database. So, even if you have the safest password ever, it's useless if someone just steals it from the site you're registered in.
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