[QUOTE=Van-man;39098996]I wouldn't be surprised if there's at-least a certain amount of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization"]Post-purchase rationalization[/URL] among those who've bought Win8 and claims it's the bees knees.
the fact alone that Microsoft[B] PREVIOUSLY[/B] offered both a [I]classic version[/I] and a [I]new version[/I], with the new version as standard (unless shitty computer), combined with the aggressive price of Win8, just makes it feel like they're trying to shove Metro down people's throats (metaphorically).
[I][B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none"]Trying to be a jack of all trades (laptop, desktop & tablet) but ending up as a master of none.[/URL]
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Not to mention the half-assed effort on the transition from win7 to win8 usage wise.[/QUOTE]
funny how when i'm basically saying this about android you tell me to shut up
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and yeah ms is trying to shove it down because that's the only way
it's a pretty fucking big change from what was there before
when win95 came out people were pissed too, even though it actually allowed to use the old ui
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[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39099108]Because YOU like it. You enjoy it and it appeals to users similar to YOU.
I, however, don't like it. Breaks concentration, forces usage of the whole screen when its unnecessary to do so, does far more than I'd ever want the easy-access-simple-application-launcher that is my start menu to do. I don't enjoy it, its fucking annoying. Things that are fucking annoying don't get installed on my machines, period.[/QUOTE]
i also know people who do like it, not very tech-savvy people
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aka the people that make the largest part of computer users, the people microsoft puts first
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sorry but you are just not a profitable enough market to have ms do everything your way
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39099170]i also know people who do like it, not very tech-savvy people
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aka the people that make the largest part of computer users, the people microsoft puts first
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sorry but you are just not a profitable enough market to have ms do everything your way[/QUOTE]
You are totally right, my usergroup is not profitable enough for Microsoft to give a fuck about what I think. Therefore, they will not get my money. Simple, sweet, and done.
yep
glad we solved that
have a nice day
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[URL="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx"]although ms still addressed questions from people like us and made some changes[/URL]
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so they do give some fucks just not all of them
you guys need to realize that W8 is a step in the right direction for the future of personalized computers. Soon enough, most monitors are going to be touch screen, and instead of laptops we're going to see more thin ultrabooks and tablets, which will support touch. Windows 8 is the perfect start to the future.
However, yes I do agree that there should be more customization options to appeal to the regular desktop user. The old Start Menu is never coming back, but that doesn't mean certain start menu features cannot return, like the condensed folders or whatever the hell you call them.
Touch is going to be wildly used for media and browsing: Checking maps, email, social networks, watching movies, browsing pictures, etc. That's what a lot of people use personal computers for nowadays. For the more advanced (or more in-depth) user, [B]they'll still require a keyboard and mouse[/B], they'll just also have touch screen capabilities already built into the OS [B]for mostly basic tasks.[/B]
In short, computer technology is heading down an all touch road for basic tasks only. W8 provides the touch ability and makes it look nice at the same time, and that alone makes W8 ahead of other operating systems. Keyboard and Mouse will not be replaced anytime soon, as they are pretty much a requirement for using advanced applications and gaming.
Hell, if I could, I'd replace my mouse and simply use touch. My PC is at a comfortable angle where I can touch and scroll with my finger, and my monitor is large enough where I won't touch a wrong thing. Of course, the keyboard could never be replaced.
mind control could probably kill all other forms of input, but that's gonna take quite a long time
[QUOTE=Van-man;39098996]I wouldn't be surprised if there's at-least a certain amount of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization"]Post-purchase rationalization[/URL] among those who've bought Win8 and claims it's the bees knees.
the fact alone that Microsoft[B] PREVIOUSLY[/B] offered both a [I]classic version[/I] and a [I]new version[/I], with the new version as standard (unless shitty computer), combined with the aggressive price of Win8, just makes it feel like they're trying to shove Metro down people's throats (metaphorically).
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none"]Trying to be a jack of all trades (laptop, desktop & tablet) but ending up as a master of none.[/URL]
Not to mention the half-assed effort on the transition from win7 to win8 usage wise.[/QUOTE]
Just sayin', I didn't buy Win 8, MSDNAA, so any defence I am giving it is genuine. I have a copy of Win 7 sitting around for any time I actually get fed up of Win 8 on my laptop, though from the speed improvements, better driver shit, faster boot time, and at least partially usable touchpad gestures. I don't intend to swap back any time soon. The Start screen is not a big enough boon to make me want to change OS when everything else about Windows 8 actually works quite nicely.
Though the use of some Metro stuff is kind of awkward (there are two settings locations, and both offer different things), and it wanting a Live account for maximum usability is a pain with no internet connection. The actual Aero portion of the OS works hella fine. And I have yet to be so frustrated I just give up.
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And they need to "shove it down people's throats", otherwise we won't see any fucking change ever, Windows will stagnate, and you'll all be complaining about that instead. Change can be good, but you have to tell people "use the fucking thing" to get change to happen.
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[B]And they need to "shove it down people's throats", otherwise we won't see any fucking change ever[/B], Windows will stagnate, and you'll all be complaining about that instead. Change can be good, but you have to tell people "use the fucking thing" to get change to happen.[/QUOTE]
That's simply not true. It's not change that's bad. It's stupid change that's bad.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;39099461]Just sayin', I didn't buy Win 8, MSDNAA, so any defence I am giving it is genuine. I have a copy of Win 7 sitting around for any time I actually get fed up of Win 8 on my laptop, though from the speed improvements, better driver shit, faster boot time, and at least partially usable touchpad gestures. I don't intend to swap back any time soon. The Start screen is not a big enough boon to make me want to change OS when everything else about Windows 8 actually works quite nicely.
Though the use of some Metro stuff is kind of awkward (there are two settings locations, and both offer different things), and it wanting a Live account for maximum usability is a pain with no internet connection. The actual Aero portion of the OS works hella fine. And I have yet to be so frustrated I just give up.
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And they need to "shove it down people's throats", otherwise we won't see any fucking change ever, Windows will stagnate, and you'll all be complaining about that instead. Change can be good, but you have to tell people "use the fucking thing" to get change to happen.[/QUOTE]
Change are good eh? so, about those youtube changes...
Don't change shit without a good reason to.
Touchscreen has (and most likely will) always have a limited market.
It's backwards retarded to base a OS completely on the principles of that.
Might as well[URL="http://www.android-x86.org/"] run Android on my laptop[/URL], since it feels the same as Win8 when using the user interface.
except that android on pc thing looks ugly as shit and w8 looks and most likely feels vastly superior.
well hey considering how you act around me when i say bad things about android, i can see you doing that
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088763]Like it or not, touch input is here to stay and in 20 years, we're going to be glad Microsoft catered to that audience. My work is even considering giving out a majority of its employees some of those nice laptop-slate hybrids and we just got one in for assessment and well based on my experience, it's great for what we do and I wouldn't be surprised if the hybrid thing takes off in 1-2 years from now.
I will gladly improved anything but I am the odd one out of the bunch. Unfortunately people don't like change, regardless of whether it's good or bad and well, that's depressing to say the least.[/QUOTE]
My work is thinking about upgrading to Windows 7.
From XP. :(
However, this is all just an argument over how shiny everyone's computer is. I don't really care if you think Windows 8 is great, I'm not really interested in upgrading from Windows 7 just yet.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39099520]That's simply not true. It's not change that's bad. It's stupid change that's bad.[/QUOTE]
Well they won't find out until they try it, which unsurprisingly, requires they force users to use it to see if they actually like using it. Though the mixed reaction they have received over it could well mean they just won't go back.
[QUOTE=redBadger;39099556]except that android on pc thing looks ugly as shit and w8 looks and most likely feels vastly superior.[/QUOTE]
I've always been a [I]function before form[/I] man.
They [B]FEEL[/B] the same.
besides it's not like windows 8 can run all the fucking apps windows 7 can, and display more than 1 app at a time
start menu isn't where the os ends
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to me windows actually feels superior, because even when touch optimized i know that i'm still using a real computer
I find it funny that people who like 8 always imply that the only way you can't like 8 is if you didn't use it, that all change is good, and that everyone who uses 8 loves it. Post-purchase rationalisation everywhere.
I'm not saying you can't like it, but the way you guys make it seem like you can't dislike it makes me think there's a little nugget of regret in there.
i don't like how power options are in a different place, and i think that metro could be integrated a bit better, and multiple monitors support is a bit wonky
however it's not as terrible as some posters make it out to be
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;39099609]I find it funny that people who like 8 always imply that the only way you can't like 8 is if you didn't use it, that all change is good, and that everyone who uses 8 loves it. Post-purchase rationalisation everywhere.
I'm not saying you can't like it, but the way you guys make it seem like you can't dislike it makes me think there's a little nugget of regret in there.[/QUOTE]
Dunno who the fuck you've been arguing with, but most people who use Windows 8 and defend it, usually have good reasons. I can understand why people might dislike Metro, but I would like to know exactly why, other than the form factor it does the exact same thing functionally as start. I like to know why they feel this one thing, that you see for a few seconds every so often, somehow makes the entire OS "shit".
And change is good, it keeps things interesting, lets companies know if an idea actually works, introduces the users to new things. That's the joy of change, it can always change back.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;39099640]Dunno who the fuck you've been arguing with, but most people who use Windows 8 and defend it, usually have good reasons. I can understand why people might dislike Metro, but I would like to know exactly why, other than the form factor it does the exact same thing functionally as start. [B]I like to know why they feel this one thing, that you see for a few seconds every so often, somehow makes the entire OS "shit".[/B]
And change is good, it keeps things interesting, lets companies know if an idea actually works, introduces the users to new things. That's the joy of change, it can always change back.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't make the entire OS bad, it just makes it redundant - Windows 7 can do it's job the same way, except I don't have to deal with the stupid menu.
the reason we get so defensive is because pretty much the only arguments against windows 8 is the lack of a 'real' start menu. sure, I wish there was a choice. but the amount of hate it gets is unjustified given the arguments against it.
I got a laptop preloaded with windows 8. It's okay, though I prefer w7 a lot more. The things that bug me are touchpad gestures. When i scroll a certain way, the search ui comes up, it's really annoying. And there is no way of disabling touchpad gestures. There is a hacky way, but you have to mess with the registry. I like that boot times are quicker. But that's about it. It takes more mouse clicks to do basic stuff. Like turning off my laptop. You have to go into the tilesmenu > sign out-wait a bit > power options > shut down. whereas w7: menu>shutdown. unless there is another way that i don't know.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39099682]It doesn't make the entire OS bad, it just makes it redundant - Windows 7 can do it's job the same way, except I don't have to deal with the stupid menu.[/QUOTE]
Understandable. But [B]why[/B] is the menu stupid? This is what I was getting at, I rarely get a actual reason other than "it sucks loel". It displays more, it has a vastly improved search (allowing the Winkey+typing to work faster), you can organise it a lot better, and so on. The only downside I ever hear is "it's fullscreen", but why is that a problem? It can't break workflow because you can't work while in any form of Start menu. The only thing it really interrupts is videos playing, and that's kinda, well, ignorable.
[QUOTE=green bandit;39099720]I got a laptop preloaded with windows 8. It's okay, though I prefer w7 a lot more. The things that bug me are touchpad gestures. When i scroll a certain way, the search ui comes up, it's really annoying. And there is no way of disabling touchpad gestures. There is a hacky way, but you have to mess with the registry. I like that boot times are quicker. But that's about it. It takes more mouse clicks to do basic stuff. Like turning off my laptop. You have to go into the tilesmenu > sign out-wait a bit > power options > shut down. whereas w7: menu>shutdown. unless there is another way that i don't know.[/QUOTE]
w7: start > power > shutdown
w8: (charms) settings > power >shutdown . I said this a few pages back. It's the same amount of steps.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;39099733]Understandable. But [B]why[/B] is the menu stupid? This is what I was getting at, I rarely get a actual reason other than "it sucks loel". It displays more, it has a vastly improved search (allowing the Winkey+typing to work faster), you can organise it a lot better, and so on. The only downside I ever hear is "it's fullscreen", but why is that a problem? It can't break workflow because you can't work while in any form of Start menu. The only thing it really interrupts is videos playing, and that's kinda, well, ignorable.[/QUOTE]
Ok, no. I refuse to go over 15 pages just because you're too lazy to read. Plenty of reasons were presented.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;39099609]I find it funny that people who like 8 always imply that the only way you can't like 8 is if you didn't use it, that all change is good, and that everyone who uses 8 loves it. Post-purchase rationalisation everywhere.
I'm not saying you can't like it, but the way you guys make it seem like you can't dislike it makes me think there's a little nugget of regret in there.[/QUOTE]
I didn't pay a single cent for Windows 8 and I like it. And yeah, when I see people calling Windows 8 shit because "boo it's a tablet os" very clearly shows that they have never actually used it. It's the same goddamn thing as Windows 7 with a different start menu. A start menu that can do MUCH more and does everything the old start menu did.
If people say that it's not a worthy upgrade if you already have 7, that I can agree with. But when people jump into the "shitty tablet os" bandwagon then it's clear that they have never even tried Windows 8.
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;39099769]I didn't pay a single cent for Windows 8 and I like it. And yeah, when I see people calling Windows 8 shit because "boo it's a tablet os" [B]very clearly shows that they have never actually used it[/B]. It's the same goddamn thing as Windows 7 with a different start menu. A start menu that can do MUCH more and does everything the old start menu did.
If people say that it's not a worthy upgrade if you already have 7, that I can agree with. But when people jump into the "shitty tablet os" bandwagon [B]then it's clear that they have never even tried Windows 8[/B].[/QUOTE]
This is stupid, please stop using it as an argument.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39099751]Ok, no. I refuse to go over 15 pages just because you're too lazy to read. Plenty of reasons were presented.[/QUOTE]
1. it's fullscreen
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do i have to list touch here even though that's not true
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39099792]1. it's fullscreen
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do i have to list touch here even though that's not true[/QUOTE]
No, seriously - there were a bunch of well presented arguments and if you want to use my unwillingness to go back and quote a bunch of people, as proof that Windows 8 is better than Windows 7, I honestly can't comment.
there were nice blog posts from microsoft about why the start menu was good but they were ignored all four times they got posted
[QUOTE=Stopper;39099788]This is stupid, please stop using it as an argument.[/QUOTE]
How is it stupid? I clearly stated for what type of people it applies to. Unless these same people also think that Windows 7 is a shitty tablet OS?
If you actually have other arguments to make than "it's a shitty tablet os" then it's a totally different story.
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;39099898]How is it stupid? I clearly stated for what type of people it applies to. Unless these same people also think that Windows 7 is a shitty tablet OS?
If you actually have other arguments to make than "it's a shitty tablet os" then it's a totally different story.[/QUOTE]
Go over the fucking thread - I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again.
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