[QUOTE=Stopper;39057876]
THE STAGGERING DIFFERENCE.[/QUOTE]
Oh my goodness I can enjoy the glorious technological advancement of having my programs run slightly slower! How could I have been so blind!
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39057881]if microsoft chooses to just stay what they were, they will stagnate and die. they already missed too much with iphones and all coming out.
and don't tell me that they're too big to fail. they will be destroyed just like apple nearly was in the nineties - all because they just kept doing the same fucking thing instead of adapting to the market.
face it, the world has changed. hate it all you want, disagree with me all you want, but touch is the future, wherever you like it or not.[/QUOTE]
Ok, fine. How does that relate to the touch-oriented OS that people desperately want me to use on my desktop PC?
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057814]you obviously haven't look at any of the comparisons between w8 and w7 speed wise[/QUOTE]
Now you are just projecting.
I have windows 8 on partitions on both my laptop and desktop. On the desktop my boot times go from ~35-40 seconds down to 20-25 seconds. On the laptop its 50-55 seconds down to 25-30. OK that's decent, except for the part where my desktop is on almost constantly.
With my SSD in the laptop the difference in boot times is a whopping 3-5 seconds on average.
Applications don't magically launch faster. The memory footprint difference is completely irrelevant when I have 8 GB of memory in both machines. Outside of the file transfer and task manager interface being better and a few minor interface things like that, there's literally nothing gained. If I hadn't gotten my windows 8 keys for free I would have a ridiculous case of buyers remorse, even at 15 dollars a key. I could have bought a good pizza for each of them.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057890]a few milliseconds in games???? wow!!!!!!!!!! i'm talking about window handling, booting, etc[/QUOTE]
You're the one who wanted fucking performance charts.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057858]clearly defined? do you not understand where the corner is
let me help you
move your mouse down and to the left, all the way
click
done[/QUOTE]
I'd hardly call it clearly defined when there is nothing there to signify that the corner does anything until your cursor there. That seems like a very bad design choice to me.
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.006.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.011.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.005.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.004.png[/img]
here's some charts that don't show performance on random games and show performance that actually matters in an OS
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057890]a few milliseconds in games???? wow!!!!!!!!!! i'm talking about window handling, booting, etc[/QUOTE]
Mine runs absolutely fine on windows 7, it's all nice and fast and a fairly decent boot time of about 15/20 seconds where only a SSD would really make any difference to.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;39057904]Now you are just projecting.
I have windows 8 on partitions on both my laptop and desktop. On the desktop my boot times go from ~35-40 seconds down to 20-25 seconds. On the laptop its 50-55 seconds down to 25-30. OK that's decent, except for the part where my desktop is on almost constantly.
With my SSD in the laptop the difference in boot times is a whopping 3-5 seconds on average.
Applications don't magically launch faster. The memory footprint difference is completely irrelevant when I have 8 GB of memory in both machines. Outside of the file transfer and task manager interface being better and a few minor interface things like that, there's literally nothing gained. If I hadn't gotten my windows 8 keys for free I would have a ridiculous case of buyers remorse, even at 15 dollars a key. I could have bought a good pizza for each of them.[/QUOTE]
a 20 second decrease in boot time isn't decent, it's great, holy shit
you're honestly saying that because it didn't affect your system, it won't affect anyone elses
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39057942]Mine runs absolutely fine on windows 7, it's all nice and fast and a fairly decent boot time of about 15/20 seconds where only a SSD would really make any difference to.[/QUOTE]
i had an ssd and it still decreased from 30 seconds to 12 seconds
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057924][img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.006.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.011.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.005.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-in-depth.004.png[/img]
here's some charts that don't show performance on random games and show performance that actually matters in an OS[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really help your case that much. The performance gains are borderline irrelevant, and in some cases are non existent.
As mentioned before, someone like me leaves their machine on almost constantly, though I admit that varies from person to person.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39057897]so much buyer's remorse[/QUOTE]
Is it even possible to have buyer's remorse on something that costs all of $15? I don't think I regreted getting Duke Nukem Forever at that price.
Also as somebody who likes Windows 8 I don't think there is really any noticeable differences in performance compared to 7 outside of a few edge cases.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;39057963]That doesn't really help your case that much. The performance gains are borderline irrelevant, and in some cases are non existent.
As mentioned before, someone like me leaves their machine on almost constantly, though I admit that varies from person to person.[/QUOTE]
"let me just ignore the data, say it's irrelevant, and then provide a personal testimony that's ironically irrelevant too"
If they made metro optional I would be totally behind it.
Windows 8 is insanely cheap and a very nice upgrade from windows 7
You can whine and moan all you want, but for 30 fucking dollars it's worth the upgrade, very quick to boot (avg. 10~ seconds) and the tile interface is actually really fucking cool if you play around with it instead of instantly dismissing it as tablet tier pleb shit
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057924]
here's some charts that don't show performance on random games and show performance that actually matters in an OS[/QUOTE]
So, uh other than the boot times, Windows 8 is about 3% faster. Wow. That will revolutionize my life.
And I use an SSD, so fuck boot times. So... Yeah.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;39057984]If they made metro optional I would be totally behind it.[/QUOTE]
it is optional
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057978]"let me just ignore the data, say it's irrelevant, and then provide a personal testimony that's ironically irrelevant too"[/QUOTE]
Having windows 8 myself, the difference [b]is[/b] less than noticeable.
I don't think windows 8 is that bad. It's basically a slower (purely in my anecdotal experience), slightly more frustrating to use windows 7.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;39057990]Windows 8 is insanely cheap and a very nice upgrade from windows 7
You can whine and moan all you want, but for 30 fucking dollars it's worth the upgrade, very quick to boot (avg. 10~ seconds) and the tile interface is actually really fucking cool if you play around with it instead of instantly dismissing it as tablet tier pleb shit[/QUOTE]
If you're going from Vista to windows 8 then that's a pretty good upgrade, but the difference between 8 and 7 are so small that there is literally no point in switching.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057950]a 20 second decrease in boot time isn't decent, it's great, holy shit
you're honestly saying that because it didn't affect your system, it won't affect anyone elses[/QUOTE]
That's with a 5400 rpm hard drive with horrible seek times. On a 7200 rpm drive the difference is ~10-12 seconds tops.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057950]i had an ssd and it still decreased from 30 seconds to 12 seconds[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you doing that it takes 30 seconds to boot off an SSD? It should be 15 tops, even under 7. Either your system is stupidly bogged down, or your SSD is pretty bad. I can get 30 second boots on 7 with a 7200 rpm hard drive, not including 5 seconds to POST.
Sounds like this is a huge factor for your performance notes.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39057978]"let me just ignore the data, say it's irrelevant, and then provide a personal testimony that's ironically irrelevant too"[/QUOTE]
You mean like you did with my data?
[QUOTE=Stopper;39057996]So, uh other than the boot times, Windows 8 is about 3% faster. Wow. That will revolutionize my life.
And I use an SSD, so fuck boot times. So... Yeah.[/QUOTE]
you made up a percentage and then proceed to spew the ignorance that if you have an SSD you can't boot faster (you can)
[QUOTE=Zanfall;39057965]Is it even possible to have buyer's remorse on something that costs all of $15?[/QUOTE]
Yes
Being an owner of Windows 8 and a bit of a power user, i can tell you that it's noticeably faster if you actually take a minute and look at it.
anyways who the fuck cares can we stop the cock waving contest, I mean if you don't want windows 8, fucking fine don't get it but shut up about it
should be bannable to start shit about OS's, really
[QUOTE=Stopper;39058020]You mean like you did with my data?[/QUOTE]
you chose random games and showed benchmarks on them
you know how stupid that is
sure let's just ignore all the other variables in game performance and just look at OS type
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;39058030]Being an owner of Windows 8 and a bit of a power user, i can tell you that it's noticeably faster if you actually take a minute and look at it.
anyways who the fuck cares can we stop the cock waving contest, I mean if you don't want windows 8, fucking fine don't get it but shut up about it
should be bannable to start shit about OS's, really[/QUOTE]
God forbid people discuss operating systems in a thread about operating systems
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;39058017]That's with a 5400 rpm hard drive with horrible seek times. On a 7200 rpm drive the difference is ~10-12 seconds tops.
What the fuck are you doing that it takes 30 seconds to boot off an SSD? It should be 15 tops, even under 7. Either your system is stupidly bogged down, or your SSD is pretty bad. I can get 30 second boots on 7 with a 7200 rpm hard drive, not including 5 seconds to POST.
Sounds like this is a huge factor for your performance notes.[/QUOTE]
On a 7200RPM Western Digital Black the difference between Windows 7 and Windows 8 for me (clean install and all) was 11 seconds.
On my SSD (Corsair Force 3) the difference was about 6 seconds. Unless you live by the second, I doubt you'd feel that.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;39058030]Being an owner of Windows 8 and a bit of a power user, i can tell you that it's noticeably faster if you actually take a minute and look at it.
anyways who the fuck cares can we stop the cock waving contest, I mean if you don't want windows 8, fucking fine don't get it but shut up about it
should be bannable to start shit about OS's, really[/QUOTE]
Yes, you're right, let's not discuss the possible reasons behind it being less popular than Vista in the only appropriate thread.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;39058021]you made up a percentage and then proceed to spew the ignorance that if you have an SSD you can't boot faster (you can)[/QUOTE]
Yes, I made up a measly percentage based on the measly difference between the two in your data and I proceeded to spew the ignorance that the [I]six[/I] second difference on my SSD would somehow make my life better.
The thing with Windows 7 was that it had only merits over XP and Vista. With Windows 8, especially thanks to all the shit with the tiles, that's just not the case for a lot of people. Just look at the fucking shutdown button. It's hidden behind layers of bars.
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