[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;39058467]That's the thing. It shouldn't take any experimenting. It should have remained the way it was, but whatever I guess. It's not the first time I've succumbed to companies making stupid, illogical layout changes. Facebook and Youtube have prepared me for such things. I can live with it I guess.[/QUOTE]
But then, how are we supposed to ever learn? Open up new versions of programs and things are moved and changed all the time. They did it with Office too, and everyone got used to that. Windows 95 anyone?
In order to fully understand something, you need to experiment and play around with it. When you first log in, they teach you the very basics. From there, you can learn it all by yourself.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39058456]xp was terrible on release too before all the updates came[/QUOTE]
Ok? Why are you acting like I disagreed with you?
[QUOTE=Stopper;39058510]Ok? Why are you acting like I disagreed with you?[/QUOTE]
i'm not
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39058502]Or you can just have a shortcut on your keyboard and do it in one.[/QUOTE]
Pffft. Casual.
Just flip the switch on the surge protector with your foot as you get up.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;39058514]Pffft. Casual.
Just flip the switch on the surge protector with your foot as you get up.[/QUOTE]
real talk if you actually do that it can be hard on the PSU
i think most of the lack of intake is people thinking you absolutely [b]need[/b] a touchscreen in order to use it at all
that or people buy it thinking it will magically make their computer touchscreen and immediately return it and start banging pots and pans around screaming "FALSE ADVERTISING ARGH"
Now before the inevitable happens: I'm [b]not[/b] referring to people on Facepunch. I know you're smarter than this. I'm referring to the average computer user like my mom, who despite me saying otherwise like 50 times now is still convinced that Windows 8 won't work right unless you have a touchscreen.
[QUOTE=redBadger;39058504]But then, how are we supposed to ever learn? Open up new versions of programs and things are moved and changed all the time. They did it with Office too, and everyone got used to that. Windows 95 anyone?
In order to fully understand something, you need to experiment and play around with it. When you first log in, they teach you the very basics. From there, you can learn it all by yourself.[/QUOTE]
I still don't like the ribbons in office 2007. 2010 fixed a lot of issues. You want ribbons done right? Look at how AutoDesk does it. Everything is fully collapsible with sensible icons and flyout tooltips, and most importantly, everything obeys standardized sizes for how the icons are broken up. It works on any resolution, and as you resize windows if you aren't maximized.
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39058528]real talk if you actually do that it can be hard on the PSU[/QUOTE]
[sp]It was a joke[/sp]
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=lavacano;39058531]Now before the inevitable happens: I'm [b]not[/b] referring to people on Facepunch. I know you're smarter than this.[/QUOTE]
Ehhhhhh.......
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39058377][I]"Rome wasn't built in a day."[/I][/QUOTE]
Should've told that to the UI designers of W8
[QUOTE=redBadger;39058504]But then, how are we supposed to ever learn? Open up new versions of programs and things are moved and changed all the time. They did it with Office too, and everyone got used to that. Windows 95 anyone?
In order to fully understand something, you need to experiment and play around with it. When you first log in, they teach you the very basics. From there, you can learn it all by yourself.[/QUOTE]
I really don't want to sound ignorant or anything. I hear ya' and understand the point you're making, but we wouldn't need to learn to do the new stuff if they'd kept it the way it was. That's all really. Now I understand we've created a mountain out of a molehill so I won't really argue it too much, it's not [I]that[/I] bad. Still, I'd like my start button back.
you know the start menu problem isn't a problem in reality. all you have to do is run the mouse into the bottom left corner and click. it isn't that much different than what you have to do in the first place
I upgraded a couple days back to Windows 8 and I'm actually satisfied.
It was cheap and a lot of the menus have been decked out or are much nicer looking. Ram usage seems to be higher than 7 and I'm not a big fan of the Metro app area.
[QUOTE=kill3r;39057363]It's not that Windows 8 is bad, it's just pointless if you already have 7..[/QUOTE]
Then you might as well never upgrade. This isn't like the 90's where old OS's didn't support USB ports thus were useless with up newer (at the time) PC's. In 2013, what amazing world changing things are the PC getting? USB3.0? Yeah good but it's not like USB2.0 is holding us back.
Like you're never getting another significant upgrade, at this point in time everything crucial is there, and only under the hood stuff is gonna happen, but that's hard to sell because it's not a visual upgrade like when Windows first got the desktop, or 3D graphics, or web support
Why does the start menu need to be fullscreen? Why does it need massive buttons the size of the the old start menu? I like my start menu not obscuring the whole screen, and it somehow manages to show more information in the space it has.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;39058789]Why does the start menu need to be fullscreen? Why does it need massive buttons the size of the the old start menu? I like my start menu not obscuring the whole screen, and it somehow manages to show more information in the space it has.[/QUOTE]
I can understand why you'd question the decision, but I use the start menu in an entirely different way now. It makes sense to me. Now I actually pin all the shit I use once in a while, with the old one I just didn't bother.
It came out a bit early, in my opinion. I feel like I have only had 7 for a short while now.
I could be biased, though. (after spending so much time with XP)
I upgraded from XP to 8 and I just absolutely love it. I thought Metro was a stupid idea at first, but once it was all installed, I thought it was great. I have no bad things to say about it
[QUOTE=Carbon123;39058875]I upgraded from XP to 8 and I just absolutely love it. I thought Metro was a stupid idea at first, but once it was all installed, I thought it was great. I have no bad things to say about it[/QUOTE]
When people say this I always wonder to myself.
Do you mean "it's great" as in "I can push it to one side and never have to use it!" or "it's great" as in "I actually legitimately use it on my desktop PC"?
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39058779]Then you might as well never upgrade. This isn't like the 90's where old OS's didn't support USB ports thus were useless with up newer (at the time) PC's. In 2013, what amazing world changing things are the PC getting? USB3.0? Yeah good but it's not like USB2.0 is holding us back.
Like you're never getting another significant upgrade, at this point in time everything crucial is there, and only under the hood stuff is gonna happen, but that's hard to sell because it's not a visual upgrade like when Windows first got the desktop, or 3D graphics, or web support[/QUOTE]
"Everything that can be invented has been invented." - Charles H. Duell, 1899.
It's kinda funny. While I think that Windows 8 isn't that bad once you're getting used to it, I still feel that it's uncomfortable to use with a regular Desktop PC. I use the start menu quite regularly, so I guess that's a point to think about.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;39058895]"Everything that can be invented has been invented." - Charles H. Duell, 1899.[/QUOTE]
I only said that for the desktop UI, not code changes. What is there left for the Desktop metaphor? Looking at what rivals like OSX and Linux distros cook up, not much
[QUOTE=redBadger;39058418][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/fwXSF.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/lxV0g.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/XYcBs.jpg[/img_thumb]
Sure, it takes some experimenting. But you can master W8 in a day.[/QUOTE]
or you can just tap the power button
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;39058895]"Everything that can be invented has been invented." - Charles H. Duell, 1899.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to use a quotation in lieu of making an actual point you should at least make sure that that person actually said that.
[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;39058916]It's kinda funny. While I think that Windows 8 isn't that bad once you're getting used to it, I still feel that it's uncomfortable to use with a regular Desktop PC. I use the start menu quite regularly, so I guess that's a point to think about.[/QUOTE]
Are you making use of some of the new features that the start screen actually offers? Like organizing and so on? Making groups and so on made it so much more efficient for me.
My main problem with W8 is how real people will use it.
This video explains how an average user will attempt to use W8.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU[/media]
I love the metro start screen and the tiles, especially when using the program that allows you to have custom tiles.
[QUOTE=JonBons;39059283]My main problem with W8 is how real people will use it.
This video explains how an average user will attempt to use W8.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU[/media][/QUOTE]
It kinda misses out on the fact that when you're using Windows 8 for [I]the first time[/I], it gives you a tip on what to do (put your mouse in the corner and see what happens). This single tip would've solved everything in this video, and if you check out the "using Mac for the first time" it's not much better. If he had given him the tip, I'm sure he'd have a much better time using it.
So I'm still using Vista (64-bit). I can't say it's as bad as everyone else says it is, but then again, I haven't had better. Does the Windows 8 upgrade come with the ability to go down to 7 if I don't like it? I've only had a few minutes with a friends Win8 computer, and I wasn't too thrilled with it.
I find extremely ironic that the masters of FUD are finally getting a taste of FUD.
FUD you, Microsoft.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39058838]I can understand why you'd question the decision, but I use the start menu in an entirely different way now. It makes sense to me. Now I actually pin all the shit I use once in a while, with the old one I just didn't bother.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Not from concept, which I could do, but from [I]experience of having used eight[/I]. Shocking, I know.
But, y'see, I'm a guy that uses his computer in a very, very specific way. There are some programs that I use a lot, and thus have on my start menu. But there are some '[I]programs[/I]' of a different sort which I don't run often. So you wanna know where I can find these '[I]programs[/I]' of a different sort which I don't use often in a much more convenient way than a fullscreen prompt?
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13214184/there.png[/img]
THERE.
So, in summation: If the supposed benefit of this new start screen is having the things I don't run often- which in my case are exclusively games on my steam account- 'easier' to access but with the hindrance of being significantly less practical or efficient than the previous method for what I actually need it for, what reason have I to use it?
That's odd.. The only problem I have had with 8 is the compatibility. Even then, all new OS's have that issue.
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