Saudi princess who ordered bodyguard to kill Paris decorator claims diplomatic immunity, flees Paris - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RB33;51150548]Great, that was my point. I don't want special treatment for my own royal house, which I like. Therefore, no one should be exempt from taking responsibility.[/QUOTE] Also the fact that I've never heard of Swedish royalty torturing, raping, and murdering staff. I'd be more than happy to shake hands with your royalty than these pieces of trash.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51150720]Also the fact that I've never heard of Swedish royalty torturing, raping, and murdering staff. I'd be more than happy to shake hands with your royalty than these pieces of trash.[/QUOTE] Well, that's the difference between serving your country and just taking advantage of it and its people.

[QUOTE=Maadz;51150269]What the hell? Do you SERIOUSLY think this happens? I've lived here my entire life, so I should know about this. How does your father working for a state owned newspaper change anything? Do you know how much of a clusterfuck that would be if word got out about that? also, diplomatic immunity is a clusterfuck as well, and they should seriously fix it EDIT: also, Riyadh daily disbanded nearly 11 years ago, so apparently your dad worked here in saudi arabia back when it was still 50 percent desert? also, why would your dad, who im guessing is canadian, move to RIYADH SAUDI ARABIA as a editor for a arabic newspaper which is released in arabic???[/QUOTE] Yeah, I lived there in the early 1990s. Back then, the Daily used to print in English as well. And I saw for myself just how hypocritical the legal system was with regards to the rich and royally connected. If you're denying that this stuff happens, then I'm calling you a liar. Hell, someone else in this thread posted more examples of what rich Sauds have gotten away with, at home and abroad. Are you really turning a blind eye to this crap? Or have you been so sheltered you don't know that it's happening? If there's one thing I learned about SA in my time there, it's that the letter of the law meant nothing if you had the right connections. You could get away with anything if your victims were there on a work visa, and not Arabs. If you think I'm lying about having lived there, a man called Talaat Wafa was my father's boss. He died in 2009. My father said he was a pretty decent man. Also, my family wasn't originally from Canada, but from India. We only moved here in 2003. Starting to make sense now? [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Roger Waters;51150367]im sure your repertoire of sticky-paged Punisher comics allows you a deep insight into the machinations of the law[/QUOTE] I'm sure your grade school sarcasm trumps my actually having lived in that shithole.

[QUOTE=Maadz;51149154]people advocating her death lmao what the fuck, you do realize shes a human right[/QUOTE] Humans don't act like animals typically.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51151201]Humans don't act like animals typically.[/QUOTE] But she has feelings, you see.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51151201]Humans don't act like animals typically.[/QUOTE] Do animals even act like that?

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51151201]Humans don't act like animals typically.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I'd imagine that a shit lot of humans are already like that (Going by your definition of animals) with their selfish desires and their tendency to act irrationally and etc. It's just that some aren't as batshit insane and vindictive as this woman. Of course, it doesn't excuse the behavior, but yeah, I wouldn't say that the human species as a whole are anywhere close to moral perfection. It's not really surprising to me considering that humans are already scientifically animals to begin with.

[QUOTE=Killer900;51149267]She's a shitty human that does nothing but soil the term "human"[/QUOTE] At what point does the "she's a human" defense no longer apply? I'm asking legitimately. I'd say it never applied in the first place, but she's literally ordering for the death of another human being.

[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;51150342]I am not fully clued up on diplomatic rights etc, but can France ban her from entering the country again?[/QUOTE] We could but we care too much about precious saudi arabian oil to call them out on any of their bullshit. [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] Also god damn the murder death fantasies in this thread, you guys need a fucking hobby, that much pent up rage isn't good

i think the saudi prince/princesses who abuse their diplomatic immunity are worse than pond scum, and should be locked up that being said, there's no point in harboring a murder-boner over them

[QUOTE=The golden;51148833]Unfortunately oil money means Saudi royalty is basically world royalty. For all intents and purposes they're basically the international royal family and are untouchable.[/QUOTE] I hate oil money so goddamn much. Even criminals worked hard for their empires of evil. Correct me if I'm wrong, but oil money is almost a case of winning the jackpot, isn't it? On top of that, it mostly makes its owners huge scumbags who think they are above everyone else.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;51151664]At what point does the "she's a human" defense no longer apply? I'm asking legitimately. I'd say it never applied in the first place, but she's literally ordering for the death of another human being.[/QUOTE] Assuming that you mean that it would stop being a good defense and not that she would somehow stop being a human being, I would figure that that depends on each person's level of tolerance for this sort of thing.

She's literally above the law. Literally. I'm not down with going after her, but she isn't going to spend a minute of her life having to pay for her actions. I'm not sure what the answer is but you have to admit, the legal system isn't going to lock her up, she isn't going to even pay a fine or really anything. That's the problem. It's just not really solvable through legal means it would seem so who knows, she'll get to get away with this for her whole life. How you feel about that should determine what you think I guess

Diplomatic immunity was a mistake.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51151784]She's literally above the law. Literally. I'm not down with going after her, but she isn't going to spend a minute of her life having to pay for her actions. I'm not sure what the answer is but you have to admit, the legal system isn't going to lock her up, she isn't going to even pay a fine or really anything. That's the problem. It's just not really solvable through legal means it would seem so who knows, she'll get to get away with this for her whole life. How you feel about that should determine what you think I guess[/QUOTE] This is precisely the problem. As I clearly said on the last page, I'm totally against vigilante justice when the person is to be charged, submitted to a fair trial, and given a fair penalty according to the law if found guilty. When there'll be no accountability whatsoever, however, I think the greatest public service a person can do in cases like this is to shoot the guilty party dead, thereby removing them as a threat to others permanently. It's that or let them go, and in a case where someone ordered someone killed, that's absolutely unacceptable. Is there due process? No. Is there a chance a person may be misidentified as a criminal when they're in fact innocent? Aye, there is. But the government, in refusing to investigate and prosecute a criminal through proper channels, made them accountable to the fickle judgment of the public instead. Tough shit, but justice must be done, one way or another. And no-one, no matter how rich or powerful, should escape justice.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51149835]brouagghh string up the cunt fucking gut her in public and sell her disembodied organnss broaoaaaghgh christ, you people. im not saying she should elude justice but why does it go from "just arrest the fucker regardless" to "STRING EM UP IN PUBLIC!!!!!! VIGILANTE JUSTICE!!!!! CALL FRANK CASTLE!!!!!! BOPE WAS RIGHT!!!" ??[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Roger Waters;51149819]die already guiliani you profiteering, death-camp-creating wretched old fuck.[/QUOTE] you're the lesser roger go after, don't go after her, i wouldn't be surprised either way what happens to her [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Roger Waters;51150367]im sure your repertoire of sticky-paged Punisher comics allows you a deep insight into the machinations of the law[/QUOTE] lovely "you're a basement dweller" zinger there buddy, yeah you sure dismantled his argument

Princess. More like Witch. It's one thing to treat the people in your own country like garbage, but don't fucking come to other countries with that shit. Might just meet someone who won't take it lying down.

[QUOTE=hakimhakim;51150714]Back at the Dark Age when Islamic countries are still in power, one of the main factor of their downfalp is the racism and prejudices of Arabs race towards other races. In ther olden times, Arabs were known as barbarians. Most of them make a profession as highway robber. It's not a weird things to openly tell the other person that youre working as a robber. Kings in the other hand are different monsters. They based the foundation of their institution from lies and talltales. They make themselves as literal god, and treat others as dirt. Now imagine all that legacy carries on into our precious princess here[/QUOTE] Not to rain on your parade here, but for a significant part of history the islamic world was a capital of medical, scientific and cultural thought, especially compared to Europe. For anyone that's interested, I suggest reading up about what's referred to as [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age]The Islamic Golden Age[/url]. The Fatimids especially were quite tolerant in terms of religious belief and expression of ideas.

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;51151889]you're the lesser roger go after, don't go after her, i wouldn't be surprised either way what happens to her [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] lovely "you're a basement dweller" zinger there buddy, yeah you sure dismantled his argument[/QUOTE] cry me a river [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling / Why reply - was just banned" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51150367]im sure your repertoire of sticky-paged Punisher comics allows you a deep insight into the machinations of the law[/QUOTE] if you actually want to argue or say something of value you utterly failed to do so he does have insight on to the law more than you might expect.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51152140]if you actually want to argue or say something of value you utterly failed to do so he does have insight on to the law more than you might expect.[/QUOTE] ye and he frankly completely and thoroughly owned me when he quoted me so i stopped gettin in volved i just came back to quote hamsteronfire (b/c hes stalking me now lol)

[QUOTE=Richardroth;51152034]Princess. More like Witch. It's one thing to treat the people in your own country like garbage, but don't fucking come to other countries with that shit. Might just meet someone who won't take it lying down.[/QUOTE] it doesnt get more ok when they do it in their own country

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;51152107]Not to rain on your parade here, but for a significant part of history the islamic world was a capital of medical, scientific and cultural thought, especially compared to Europe. For anyone that's interested, I suggest reading up about what's referred to as [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age]The Islamic Golden Age[/url]. The Fatimids especially were quite tolerant in terms of religious belief and expression of ideas.[/QUOTE] In this instance it's really only serving to make them look that much fucking worse. While they're at it they might as well devolve into fucking cavemen as well. Imagine a whole civilization teaming with degeneration.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;51152727]In this instance it's really only serving to make them look that much fucking worse. While they're at it they might as well devolve into fucking cavemen as well. Imagine a whole civilization teaming with degeneration.[/QUOTE] Wasn't really commenting on their current state, just thought I'd challenge the "they've been barbarains their entire existence" belief some people seem to have.

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;51152107]Not to rain on your parade here, but for a significant part of history the islamic world was a capital of medical, scientific and cultural thought, especially compared to Europe. For anyone that's interested, I suggest reading up about what's referred to as [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age]The Islamic Golden Age[/url]. The Fatimids especially were quite tolerant in terms of religious belief and expression of ideas.[/QUOTE] I will note that the golden age of Arabian civilization was based on things like Sulimon's sharia reformations, ala Justinian, and ended as soon as Islamic practice became absolute and unchangeable from the base quaran. Make of that what you will

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51153535]I will note that the golden age of Arabian civilization was based on things like Sulimon's sharia reformations, ala Justinian, and ended as soon as Islamic practice became absolute and unchangeable from the base quaran. Make of that what you will[/QUOTE] Not only that but a good piece of the reason why the Islamic Golden Era came to existence was because of the Greek culture and their idealism towards science and philosophy proliferating through Alexander's conquests. It's a real shame on how they turned out. There used to be two battling schools of thought: One that embraced rationality and the other that preached piety. And it was going good for a while until the Piety school (I forget the name of it) started winning out, like you've said, and utterly crushed it's opposing school which allowed it to reign wantonly. And it was also this that the reverse was happening in Europe.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51149835]why does it go from "just arrest the fucker regardless" to "STRING EM UP IN PUBLIC!!!!!! VIGILANTE JUSTICE!!!!! CALL FRANK CASTLE!!!!!! BOPE WAS RIGHT!!!" ??[/QUOTE] I dunno, why is it people like you can never see that people are just pissed off and expressing that? It's not like they'd stand outside a court or something demanding the death penality.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;51153553]Not only that but a good piece of the reason why the Islamic Golden Era came to existence was because of the Greek culture and their idealism towards science and philosophy proliferating through Alexander's conquests. It's a real shame on how they turned out. There used to be two battling schools of thought: One that embraced rationality and the other that preached piety. And it was going good for a while until the Piety school (I forget the name of it) started winning out, like you've said, and utterly crushed it's opposing school which allowed it to reign wantonly. And it was also this that the reverse was happening in Europe.[/QUOTE] It's not piety or rationalism that is winning. It's blind faith and materialism

No one should be above the law just because they have money and power. Sometimes frontier justice is needed when the law fails you. Not advocating her death or anything, but someone could at least steal some of her fancy shit.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51154370]No one should be above the law just because they have money and power. Sometimes frontier justice is needed when the law fails you. Not advocating her death or anything, but someone could at least steal some of her fancy shit.[/QUOTE] I don't think stealing as a form of justice is acceptable, because it's personal gain for the thieves. No, she had a man beaten, refused to pay him for his work, stole his equipment and ordered him killed. Since the courts and law aren't going to touch her, only blood will suffice. This isn't a failing of people, but of international law. I hope to god that if ever she leaves SA again, someone takes her out. If Saudi Arabia would rather that not happen, they revoke her diplomatic immunity immediately, and hand her over to French authorities to be tried like the common criminal she is. Nothing could be simpler or more reasonable a request. Do you know what they do to thieves in Saudi Arabia? They cut their hands off. If Saudi Arabia was actually going to prosecute her, which they won't because she's royalty, that's what would happen. Instead, she should face a trial in a civilized nation. The one in which she committed the crime.