Saudi princess who ordered bodyguard to kill Paris decorator claims diplomatic immunity, flees Paris - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51153535]I will note that the golden age of Arabian civilization was based on things like Sulimon's sharia reformations, ala Justinian, and ended as soon as Islamic practice became absolute and unchangeable from the base quaran. Make of that what you will[/QUOTE] Huh, wasn't aware of that but definitely going to read into it. Thanks.

[QUOTE=The golden;51148833]Unfortunately oil money means Saudi royalty is basically world royalty. For all intents and purposes they're basically the international royal family and are untouchable.[/QUOTE] So what? Is that bad? Do you know how important petrols is in today's world? That's there's no alternative (yet)? EVERYONE depend on their cars to live, CARS are one of the first thing a young man should buy, and a CARS can't work without FUEL made with PETROLS that saudi arabia happens to possess a large reserve of it and also happens to be a VERY touchy- country meaning if you hurt them a little bit they could cut up your petrols rationing and what happens next? Shortage of fuel for people cars. God know how many cars are in the Us but i know that everyone and their parents has one, had one, or will have one some point in their lives. You need a cars to go everywhere. The US has no choice but to kneel down to Saudi Arabia demands. Same thing for most country in the world. PS: I do not support Saudi Arabia, i hate this country profiting off people belief and exploiting their belief for money and using petrols as a shield against the world. Anyway, Saudi Arabia is on the brink of a Political collapse.

[QUOTE=Advisor;51152719]it doesnt get more ok when they do it in their own country[/QUOTE] I know that? Just saying that it probably stems from their culture.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155399]So what? Is that bad? Do you know how important petrols is in today's world? That's there's no alternative (yet)? EVERYONE depend on their cars to live, CARS are one of the first thing a young man should buy, and a CARS can't work without FUEL made with PETROLS that saudi arabia happens to possess a large reserve of it and also happens to be a VERY touchy- country meaning if you hurt them a little bit they could cut up your petrols rationing and what happens next? Shortage of fuel for people cars. God know how many cars are in the Us but i know that everyone and their parents has one, had one, or will have one some point in their lives. You need a cars to go everywhere. The US has no choice but to kneel down to Saudi Arabia demands. Same thing for most country in the world. PS: I do not support Saudi Arabia, i hate this country profiting off people belief and exploiting their belief for money and using petrols as a shield against the world. Anyway, Saudi Arabia is on the brink of a Political collapse.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/dxw3xbN.png[/img]

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155399]So what? Is that bad?[/QUOTE] Well, yes? I mean you can explain the reasoning behind it but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. Having to take it in the ass from a nation that just happened to be lucky enough to sit on petrol reserves, a resource that we need to phase out of in the first place, isn't really a good thing?

[QUOTE=French Guy;51155433][img]http://i.imgur.com/dxw3xbN.png[/img][/QUOTE] Oh fuck off with your "French surrender" jokes, you think you are being funny uh?

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155441]Oh fuck off with your "French surrender" jokes, you think you are being funny uh?[/QUOTE] Oui

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155399]So what? Is that bad? Do you know how important petrols is in today's world? That's there's no alternative (yet)? EVERYONE depend on their cars to live, CARS are one of the first thing a young man should buy, and a CARS can't work without FUEL made with PETROLS that saudi arabia happens to possess a large reserve of it and also happens to be a VERY touchy- country meaning if you hurt them a little bit they could cut up your petrols rationing and what happens next? Shortage of fuel for people cars. God know how many cars are in the Us but i know that everyone and their parents has one, had one, or will have one some point in their lives. You need a cars to go everywhere. The US has no choice but to kneel down to Saudi Arabia demands. Same thing for most country in the world. PS: I do not support Saudi Arabia, i hate this country profiting off people belief and exploiting their belief for money and using petrols as a shield against the world. Anyway, Saudi Arabia is on the brink of a Political collapse.[/QUOTE] US imports from all OPEC countries only totals 31% of oil the US imports, 16% from Persian Gulf countries, Saudi Arabia itself is only 11%. We don't rely on them nearly as much as you think. Does the US have to kneel down to Canadian demands since we get 40% of our oil imports from them? [url]http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6[/url]

[QUOTE=_Axel;51155440]Well, yes? I mean you can explain the reasoning behind it but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. Having to take it in the ass from a nation that just happened to be lucky enough to sit on petrol reserves, a resource that we need to phase out of in the first place, isn't really a good thing?[/QUOTE] Yes, i can understand how it is unacceptable, but what i meant is that we have no single choice until we have proper alternate energy. It's good that the US keep good relation with Saudi Arabia for their oils, but it's effectively an unacceptable situation for the US to just kneel down and close their eyes on the situation. Until alternate energy, of course. Electric cars should take over rather quick i hope. Then Saudi Arabia can fuck off. But even Saudi Arabia fucking off would be bad because they would collapse and that would create a much more dangerous middle eastern.. [editline]5th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Anderan;51155452]US imports from all OPEC countries only totals 31% of oil the US imports, Saudi Arabia itself is only 11%. We don't rely on them nearly as much as you think. Does the US have to kneel down to Canadian demands since we get 40% of our oil imports from them? [url]http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6[/url][/QUOTE] Ah, so i think you totally destroyed what i said. However i'll need an explanation now, why is the US kneeling down to Saudi Arabia?

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155454] Ah, so i think you totally destroyed what i said. However i'll need an explanation now, why is the US kneeling down to Saudi Arabia?[/QUOTE] Because it's a consistent "ally" in the area to the US is the only real reason I can think of, though I'm not really sure what demands we're currently kneeling down to. Regardless, Saudi Oil isn't nearly as important to the US as everyone seems to think it is.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155441]Oh fuck off with your "French surrender" jokes, you think you are being funny uh?[/QUOTE] woah calm down there mr fiesty baguette, did the germans poke you in the butt again?

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155441]Oh fuck off with your "French surrender" jokes, you think you are being funny uh?[/QUOTE] You must be new here.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51155483]woah calm down there mr fiesty baguette, did the germans poke you in the butt again?[/QUOTE] Well at least it wasn't willingly. Sweden yes!

[QUOTE=Anderan;51155463]Regardless, Saudi Oil isn't nearly as important to the US as everyone seems to think it is.[/QUOTE] Then tell me why Henry Kissinger signed an agreement with Fayçal so that oil can only be bought with dollars ?

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51155399]So what? Is that bad? Do you know how important petrols is in today's world? That's there's no alternative (yet)? EVERYONE depend on their cars to live, CARS are one of the first thing a young man should buy, and a CARS can't work without FUEL made with PETROLS that saudi arabia happens to possess a large reserve of it and also happens to be a VERY touchy- country meaning if you hurt them a little bit they could cut up your petrols rationing and what happens next? Shortage of fuel for people cars. God know how many cars are in the Us but i know that everyone and their parents has one, had one, or will have one some point in their lives. You need a cars to go everywhere. The US has no choice but to kneel down to Saudi Arabia demands. Same thing for most country in the world. PS: I do not support Saudi Arabia, i hate this country profiting off people belief and exploiting their belief for money and using petrols as a shield against the world. Anyway, Saudi Arabia is on the brink of a Political collapse.[/QUOTE] wow you should really do you research next time there are alternatives for petrol, ever hear of a electric car also, theres like, shit loads of countries rn making petrol, why do you think oil is so cheap, US is allies with saudi because of oil but also because there the one friendly nation in the middle east since egypt pulled out saudi arabia on the brink of a political collapse? you should obviously know this living all the way in france [editline]5th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;51154389]I don't think stealing as a form of justice is acceptable, because it's personal gain for the thieves. No, she had a man beaten, refused to pay him for his work, stole his equipment and ordered him killed. Since the courts and law aren't going to touch her, only blood will suffice. This isn't a failing of people, but of international law. I hope to god that if ever she leaves SA again, someone takes her out. If Saudi Arabia would rather that not happen, they revoke her diplomatic immunity immediately, and hand her over to French authorities to be tried like the common criminal she is. Nothing could be simpler or more reasonable a request. Do you know what they do to thieves in Saudi Arabia? They cut their hands off. If Saudi Arabia was actually going to prosecute her, which they won't because she's royalty, that's what would happen. Instead, she should face a trial in a civilized nation. The one in which she committed the crime.[/QUOTE] Again, bullshit alarm, weewoo weewoo I am seriously doubting you ever lived in saudi arabia they dont cut off your hands for stealing food or some shit, only EXTREMELY VALUABLE ITEMS and if the thief was not poor/in need. Want to know another fun fact about saudi arabia? Death penalty is only done if the court agrees and every family member agrees. You think if some guy steals a loaf of bread or steals a Samsung S7 or some shit he gets his hand cut off? ONLY BLOOD WILL SUFFICE you sound like your about to commit a satanic ritual or some shit man why is SH so fucked up

[QUOTE=Maadz;51156115]they dont cut off your hands for stealing food or some shit, only EXTREMELY VALUABLE ITEMS and if the thief was not poor/in need.[/QUOTE] No worries, they only cut off your hand if you stole something expensive. I can't exactly call that a civilized country. I think when they are ready to become one, they can abolish all the stuff that should have been left behind a 100 years ago, at least.

[QUOTE=Maadz;51156115]only EXTREMELY VALUABLE ITEMS and if the thief was not poor/in need[/QUOTE] doesn't make your country any less of a third world shithole [editline]5th October 2016[/editline] imagine rationalizing the thought process of surgically removing a perfectly functioning appendage for punitive reasons

[QUOTE=Maadz;51156115]wow you should really do you research next time there are alternatives for petrol, ever hear of a electric car also, theres like, shit loads of countries rn making petrol, why do you think oil is so cheap, US is allies with saudi because of oil but also because there the one friendly nation in the middle east since egypt pulled out saudi arabia on the brink of a political collapse? you should obviously know this living all the way in france [editline]5th October 2016[/editline] Again, bullshit alarm, weewoo weewoo I am seriously doubting you ever lived in saudi arabia they dont cut off your hands for stealing food or some shit, only EXTREMELY VALUABLE ITEMS and if the thief was not poor/in need. Want to know another fun fact about saudi arabia? Death penalty is only done if the court agrees and every family member agrees. You think if some guy steals a loaf of bread or steals a Samsung S7 or some shit he gets his hand cut off? ONLY BLOOD WILL SUFFICE you sound like your about to commit a satanic ritual or some shit man why is SH so fucked up[/QUOTE] hey, now that you're back, i'd like to ask a question. [QUOTE=Maadz;51149154]people advocating her death lmao what the fuck, you do realize shes a human right[/QUOTE] how come you only say this about your princess, but now about the maid she wanted to kill? is the maid not also human? thanks in advance for answering my question.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51149835]brouagghh string up the cunt fucking gut her in public and sell her disembodied organnss broaoaaaghgh christ, you people. im not saying she should elude justice but why does it go from "just arrest the fucker regardless" to "STRING EM UP IN PUBLIC!!!!!! VIGILANTE JUSTICE!!!!! CALL FRANK CASTLE!!!!!! BOPE WAS RIGHT!!!" ??[/QUOTE] I'm not hearing you actually say anything here. This is all good politician-speak, talking without actually saying anything, but it does nothing to refute why people calling for her to be killed are wrong to do so. Fact of the matter is, people like this think they're above the law. And to some extent, they are indeed correct; case in point: she's claimed diplomatic immunity, nobody's going after her, and the guy who she tried to have murdered hasn't seen any justice carried out on his behalf-- not by the French government, not by anybody. And now here we are. There's no reason this woman should be allowed to live for what she did, especially given the fact that she [i]knew[/i] what she was doing was wrong (which is the exact reason why she's claimed diplomatic immunity now) and how she skulked off in the aftermath of it backfiring on here. There's no reason why this kind of behavior should be tolerated or simply shrugged off the way you're shrugging it off, and whether you realize it or not that's exactly what you're doing with this kind of high-horse morality. "It's never alright to celebrate or want the death of another human being" is not an argument. Some people are heinous individuals, they hold too much power to where we can't afford to not hold them accountable for their actions, they abuse their power and hurt/kill innocent people... and those people deserve to be killed for it. Doesn't matter if we're talking about this Saudi princess or Osama bin Laden (I'll never forget how people like you were saying it wasn't alright to be happy that he'd been killed... lol), Hitler, Stalin, some serial killer who's been butchering people, some con-artist businessman who screws people over and ruins their lives for his own personal gain, etc. "But then you're just as bad as they are". No, we're not. We didn't start trouble here, they did. They started this shit, now we're naturally and rationally responding to it. [editline]5 October 2016[/editline] We cannot tolerate this behavior to any capacity, nor should we. Innocent people are being brutally killed and tortured by these bastards for no other reason than because they think it's fun to do shit like that, and they have enough money, connections, and power as royalty to get away with it. Start killing them off though and that mentality will change in a hurry, guaranteed. It's funny how holding people accountable for their actions can get them to properly fall in line and behave like decent human beings. And the people that defend them whether they realize it or not are just as bad as they are. They legitimize this kind of atrocious behavior, or they shrug it off. And that's not acceptable, because it ensures nothing will change and the problem will just continue. "Well the legal system exists for a reason". Is the legal system doing anything here that will actually ensure proper justice is carried out and that she's properly punished for what she did in such a way that it's assured she'll never be able to hurt anybody else again? Yes or no? No? Then the legal system is ineffective crap, and alternatives should be pursued. One thing is for sure, if she's dead she can't ever do anything like this again. And it would make for a nice warning and set a good, strong precedent for others who think about doing things like this.

[QUOTE=Govna;51156477]Everything that Govna wrote above[/QUOTE] I disagree with most that you're saying. Do you want us to go back 100, 200 years of progress? Reinstate the death penalty, kill people who haven't caused death themselves to make a point, to put fear into people. That would be incredibly irresponsible and not the society we should be going for.

[QUOTE=RB33;51156612]I disagree with most that you're saying. Do you want us to go back 100, 200 years of progress? Reinstate the death penalty, kill people who haven't caused death themselves to make a point, to put fear into people. That would be incredibly irresponsible and not the society we should be going for.[/QUOTE] Not hearing any arguments here either. Lots of fearmongering about how this would somehow "set us back", but no real justification as to why. We're not talking about making this standard procedure; individuals like this bitch in the first place are not ordinary or standard in any sense of either word. We're talking about somebody with an extreme amount of wealth and power who hides behind her political status when she gets caught doing terrible things needing and deserving to be punished for said terrible things. We shouldn't tolerate things like this, especially when they come over here to our countries and pull this crap. Letting it slide/not going after her [i]is[/i] tolerating it, and it encourages/legitimizes it by sending them the message, "Don't worry, it doesn't matter what kind of horrible things you do-- there won't be any serious repercussions from us." Really the world would be better off without the Saudi royal family. There's a handful that are decent, but most of them are just fucking horrendous. If they aren't flat-out corrupt, which is common enough as it is, then they're doing things like keeping slaves, torturing their slaves and people who work for them, killing people without fear of repercussions/justice. And then you've got their connections to Wahhabi terrorism, to make matters worse.

[QUOTE=Govna;51156694]Not hearing any arguments here either. Lots of fearmongering about how this would somehow "set us back", but no real justification as to why. We're not talking about making this standard procedure; individuals like this bitch in the first place are not ordinary or standard in any sense of either word. We're talking about somebody with an extreme amount of wealth and power who hides behind her political status when she gets caught doing terrible things needing and deserving to be punished for said terrible things. We shouldn't tolerate things like this, especially when they come over here to our countries and pull this crap. Letting it slide/not going after her [i]is[/i] tolerating it, and it encourages/legitimizes it by sending them the message, "Don't worry, it doesn't matter what kind of horrible things you do-- there won't be any serious repercussions from us." Really the world would be better off without the Saudi royal family. There's a handful that are decent, but most of them are just fucking horrendous. If they aren't flat-out corrupt, which is common enough as it is, then they're doing things like keeping slaves, torturing their slaves and people who work for them, killing people without fear of repercussions/justice. And then you've got their connections to Wahhabi terrorism, to make matters worse.[/QUOTE] The western world shouldn't lower itself to the level of executing foreigners to make a point, to scare off some royal family. Jailtime would be enough for that. Doesn't matter if it isn't standard, we shouldn't be doing it. You just want someone dead, when jailtime would suffice.

[QUOTE=RB33;51156760]The western world shouldn't lower itself to the level of executing foreigners to make a point, to scare off some royal family. Jailtime would be enough for that. Doesn't matter if it isn't standard, we shouldn't be doing it. You just want someone dead, when jailtime would suffice.[/QUOTE] It's not lowering itself, we're not lowering ourselves by wanting it, and it's proportionate to what she did. She had a man who was just doing his job and minding his own business beaten, she refused to pay him for the services he rendered, and then she tried to have him killed. She did all this for no reason at all other than she's a sadistic cunt who thought it would be funny. You really think jail is going to be an effective solution in this situation? What happens when rich people in general go to jail? Do they have to suffer for what they did? Are they forced to think about what they did and change their ways? No. More often than not, the answer is no. They sit around, do nothing, get better treatment than the other prisoners do because of their wealth and social status, and then they walk out. They're not treated like normal people are unfortunately. And in this situation, we're not just dealing with some rich person, we're dealing with a princess from Saudi Arabia who has god only knows how much money, influence, and power behind her... what makes you think even for a second jail is going to mean anything to her beyond it being a minor inconvenience? It's a slap on the wrist to them, especially when you consider what they do back home. It's also about ensuring this never happens again. So suppose she's jailed in France, she does her time, she gets out and goes back home. What then? What's stopping her from doing the same thing back in Saudi Arabia? That family already enjoys enslaving, torturing, and killing people over there without fear of punishment-- they do it all the time as other posters have pointed out. Why should we just sit around and let that happen? Why is it acceptable to just dismiss it as, "Pfft, it's not our problem"? Just being rid of her solves so many problems and prevents so many potential problems from occurring. Not only that, but more importantly it would (again) send a message to these people that their shit is not going to be tolerated, especially over here, and that their wealth and status is not going to protect them. If they do wrong, then they'll be severely punished for it, and that's how simple it is. That's how it should be.

Maadz, you can doubt I lived there all you like. I'm frankly not interested in convincing you. Doesn't change the facts. I'd give you my name, but I value my skin a little too much for that. The barbaric cultural practices of the country you live in, however, and the corruption of the government and the Mutaween are known to all, and I hardly need to even be here to tell people how it is. While as with any other country in the world, Saudi Arabia has some good people living in it, the country itself, in its selective hypocrisy for those against whom it chooses to enforce its barbaric laws, for its apartheid racist government, for its medieval cruelty, its misogyny, its theocracy, is a shitstain on the world. I care not what you say, I've seen it, lived there, and I call it like it is. The very fact that you're denying that certain things happen while other Facepunch members have posted links to news articles proving you wrong automatically calls into question your own trustworthiness. I honestly have nothing against you personally, just the government of your country. It's funny that you should bring up stealing food when the article clearly states she refused to pay him for his services, worth 20,000 dollars. Think that might prove sufficient to cut your precious princess's hands off?

Royal family members don't get their hands cut off. They drink and do drugs and own slaves and kill people all they want. My brother told me about a group of wealthy Saudis he saw when he was on leave in Qatar high and drunk off of their mind at the hotel they were in. They don't even follow the laws that their government creates.

[QUOTE=Govna;51156824]It's not lowering itself, we're not lowering ourselves by wanting it, and it's proportionate to what she did. She had a man who was just doing his job and minding his own business beaten, she refused to pay him for the services he rendered, and then she tried to have him killed. She did all this for no reason at all other than she's a sadistic cunt who thought it would be funny.[/QUOTE] We're not lowering ourselves by executing foreigners to make a point, like other countries do, that we don't want to be like? She hasn't killed anyone and you want her dead? That's definitely not proportionate. That is pure overreaction. [QUOTE]what makes you think even for a second jail is going to mean anything to her beyond it being a minor inconvenience? It's a slap on the wrist to them, especially when you consider what they do back home.[/QUOTE] If losing years of your life to be behind bars is a minor inconvenience to you. I don't know what to say. If you want more than that, we are indeed becoming what we want to distance ourself from. [QUOTE]It's also about ensuring this never happens again. So suppose she's jailed in France, she does her time, she gets out and goes back home. What then? What's stopping her from doing the same thing back in Saudi Arabia? That family already enjoys enslaving, torturing, and killing people over there without fear of punishment-- they do it all the time as other posters have pointed out. Why should we just sit around and let that happen? Why is it acceptable to just dismiss it as, "Pfft, it's not our problem"?[/QUOTE] So we should kill other criminals as well? It would also ensure that they would never do it again. There are reasons for not doing that. We don't have to kill people to make a point, we are better than them. [QUOTE]Just being rid of her solves so many problems and prevents so many potential problems from occurring. Not only that, but more importantly it would (again) send a message to these people that their shit is not going to be tolerated, especially over here, and that their wealth and status is not going to protect them. If they do wrong, then they'll be severely punished for it, and that's how simple it is. That's how it should be.[/QUOTE] You don't have to overreact like that to do that and break decades of agreements in the process. You would get in a diplomatic hellstorm for even considering executing anyone.

[QUOTE=RB33;51157036]We're not lowering ourselves by executing foreigners to make a point, like other countries do, that we don't want to be like? She hasn't killed anyone and you want her dead? That's definitely not proportionate. That is pure overreaction. If losing years of your life to be behind bars is a minor inconvenience to you. I don't know what to say. If you want more than that, we are indeed becoming what we want to distance ourself from. So we should kill other criminals as well? It would also ensure that they would never do it again. There are reasons for not doing that. We don't have to kill people to make a point, we are better than them. You don't have to overreact like that to do that and break decades of agreements in the process. You would get in a diplomatic hellstorm for even considering executing anyone.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting something. We trust our governments to prosecute criminals. If they refuse to even charge her, and let scum like this royal get away with attempted murder, then it's much worse to do nothing and let the criminal walk than to exact justice by other means.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51157069]You're forgetting something. We trust our governments to prosecute criminals. If they refuse to even charge her, and let scum like this royal get away with attempted murder, then it's much worse to do nothing and let the criminal walk than to exact justice by other means.[/QUOTE] We should pressure our governments to take action before we go rely on other means. Who should our governments listen to, its people or Saudi Arabia? If it even doubts the first answer, it has failed to serve its people.

[QUOTE=RB33;51157090]We should pressure our governments to take action before we go rely on other means. Who should our governments listen to, it's people or Saudi Arabia? If it even doubts the first answer, it has failed to serve its people.[/QUOTE] Clearly, then, in this instance, the French government has failed its people.

[QUOTE=RB33;51157090]We should pressure our governments to take action before we go rely on other means. Who should our governments listen to, its people or Saudi Arabia? If it even doubts the first answer, it has failed to serve its people.[/QUOTE] The problem is that the government has no incentive to do anything at all no matter what the people do. Saudi Arabia is a strategically vital location and this lets them get away with pretty much anything they want.