Bernie Sanders Uses Oversized Trump Tweet as Floor Prop During Health Care Repeal - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Judas;51625754]it [i]barely[/i] prevailed with all the odds stacked in its favor, and it turned out that it was all for naught because nobody in america wanted hillary clinton and she lost miserably[/QUOTE] She received 3 million more votes than Trump. She lost the electoral college by one of the smallest margins in history iirc the 43rd smallest. Don't say that nobody wanted her, a net majority of this country did.

[QUOTE=elowin;51626518]Clinton isn't an idiot, but she is extremely flawed as a candidate.[/QUOTE] That's fair. I'm sick of the false equivalence that she was just as bad as Trump though.

[QUOTE=Smoovedawg1;51625473]It's a shame he's so old, Would have been cool to see him try again next cycle.[/QUOTE] On the bright side I think Bernie can do most good doing what he does as a senator. The majority of the president's effort has to go to diplomacy and overall responsibility of keeping the country running, rather than creating policy.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;51626722]On the bright side I think Bernie can do most good doing what he does as a senator. The majority of the president's effort has to go to diplomacy and overall responsibility of keeping the country running, rather than creating policy.[/QUOTE] If he doesn't run in 2020, whoever gets his endorsement will have one hell of a grassroots movement behind them.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51626671]That's fair. I'm sick of the false equivalence that she was just as bad as Trump though.[/QUOTE] The fact that she was even comparable to trump was a massive red flag

[QUOTE=_Axel;51626459]Pretty sure you can cross out Bernie from that list, he's the only one of the three who has principles.[/QUOTE] Well I'm not all that sure about that

[QUOTE=da space core;51626800]The fact that she was even comparable to trump was a massive red flag[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean anything. You put two things side by side and people are going to compare them. Trump and Sanders: they're both New Yorkers Trump and Sanders: One has hair, the other is balding! Trump and Sanders: one of them is a childish asshole!

[QUOTE=SirJon;51627081]Well I'm not all that sure about that[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate?

[QUOTE=_Axel;51627098]Care to elaborate?[/QUOTE] It is SirJon, he shits on Bernie in every thread, nothing new here

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51628544]It is SirJon, he shits on Bernie in every thread, nothing new here[/QUOTE] With no elaboration, or if any, it's as shallow as a shower.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51627081]Well I'm not all that sure about that[/QUOTE] Nah. Say what you like about Sanders, but the dude definitely had principles. The biggest complaint ive heard about him is that he's too idealistic. How can one simultaneously be too idealistic and have "unrealistic" ideals while also being unprincipled?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51627091]That doesn't mean anything. You put two things side by side and people are going to compare them. Trump and Sanders: they're both New Yorkers Trump and Sanders: One has hair, the other is balding! Trump and Sanders: one of them is a childish asshole![/QUOTE] Fair enough, I wasn't being specific enough. I meant that they were polling too closely together. A decent candidate should have left trump in the dust. Although perhaps im too optimistic in my views of the voters here

[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;51626645]She received 3 million more votes than Trump. She lost the electoral college by one of the smallest margins in history iirc the 43rd smallest. Don't say that nobody wanted her, a net majority of this country did.[/QUOTE] I thought the majority of the country didn't vote at all, to me that makes it look like most people didn't want either candidate.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;51630741]I thought the majority of the country didn't vote at all, to me that makes it look like most people didn't want either candidate.[/QUOTE] There was a 55.3% estimated turnout.

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51628652]With no elaboration, or if any, it's as shallow as a shower.[/QUOTE] Well, these kinds of reactions are exactly why I won't bother to argue anymore. But to put it shortly his policies (and especially his economic policies) were in my eyes bad or unfeasable. But I guess I'm not allowed to have a negative opinion on Sanders in SH without people getting salty so there you go.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631015]Well, these kinds of reactions are exactly why I won't bother to argue anymore. But to put it shortly his policies (and especially his economic policies) were in my eyes bad or unfeasable. But I guess I'm not allowed to have a negative opinion on Sanders in SH without people getting salty so there you go.[/QUOTE] ...And how does the feasibility of his policies relate to his supposed lack of principles?

[QUOTE=_Axel;51631112]...And how does the feasibility of his policies relate to his supposed lack of principles?[/QUOTE] Oh, I wasn't trying to say that he has no principles. Just that I don't find him - as a political candidate -any better than Hillary or Trump, both of whom I dislike. I was referring to "crossing him out of my list" specifically.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631120]Oh, I wasn't trying to say that he has no principles. Just that I don't find him - as a political candidate -any better than Hillary or Trump, both of whom I dislike. I was referring to "crossing him out of my list" specifically.[/QUOTE] Wait aren't you the guy I argued with a while ago because you couldn't tell the difference between social-democrats and communists? If that's what makes you consider Sanders on par with Trump then maybe you should reconsider that stance.

[QUOTE=_Axel;51631128]Wait aren't you the guy I argued with a while ago because you couldn't tell the difference between social-democrats and communists? If that's what makes you consider Sanders on par with Trump then maybe you should reconsider that stance.[/QUOTE] Not really. And I honestly don't know what Trump has to do with the differences between social-democrats and communists.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631189]Not really. And I honestly don't know what Trump has to do with the differences between social-democrats and communists.[/QUOTE] I do recall you saying that you dislike Sanders' policies because of what communism has done to Poland. If you don't understand the first thing about his policies, on what basis can you claim they are bad? [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SirJon;51354580]If trump is a joke that got to far, bernie is a middle school phase that went too far[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SirJon;51354653][QUOTE=Trebgarta;51354594]What are you doing stop Did you sell your account to proboardslol[/QUOTE] No I'm just from a nation who fairly recently expirienced first hand the wonders of socialism and don't believe in the idealistic smoke and mirrors[/QUOTE]

Why would you think I don't understand his policies? Communism being shitty isn't the reason I don't like his policies. My point in that post was that a lot of his policies are idealistic at best - very crudely said, I admit.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631295]Why would you think I don't understand his policies?[/QUOTE] Because you thought bringing up communism was relevant to a discussion about his policies? [QUOTE=SirJon;51354653][QUOTE=Trebgarta;51354594]What are you doing stop Did you sell your account to proboardslol[/QUOTE] No I'm just from a nation who fairly recently expirienced first hand the wonders of socialism and don't believe in the idealistic smoke and mirrors[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]My point in that post was that a lot of his policies are idealistic at best - very crudely said, I admit.[/QUOTE] What post, the one in which you bring up communism?

[QUOTE=_Axel;51631309]Because you thought bringing up communism was relevant to a discussion about his policies? What post, the one in which you bring up communism?[/QUOTE] You mean socialism? Communism and Socialism isn't the same thing, although both are pretty shit. And some - particularly his - social-democratic policies share some of the same falws.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631382]You mean socialism? Communism and Socialism isn't the same thing, although both are pretty shit. And some - particularly his - social-democratic policies share some of the same flaws.[/QUOTE] Such as?

[QUOTE=_Axel;51631416]Such as?[/QUOTE] Idealism

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631419]Idealism[/QUOTE] How is doing what has already been done to a much greater extent and successfully so in western countries idealistic? You're going to have to give a better parallel than ~idealism~ if you want to compare social-democrats to socialists. I could say that hardcore economic liberals are idealistic when it comes to wealth naturally tickling down to the lower classes. Does that make them socialists? That's just stupid.

As said, some of his policies in particular I find idealistic, which is a common criticism of a social-democratic approach. In socialism it's just turned up to obscene levels, but I digress. Obviously you can't just put it all in one bag, and most political alignments bring at least some good ideas to the table, social-democracy being no exception. As a whole and in sanders iteration, however, I find then unappealing, and again, in his particular case, idealistic. Which is not to say that I don't like some of his policies. I wouldn't argue about "trickle down" being also really iffy, for what it's worth.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51627091]Trump and Sanders: One has hair[/QUOTE] citation needed

[QUOTE=SirJon;51631882]As said, some of his policies in particular I find idealistic, which is a common criticism of a social-democratic approach. In socialism it's just turned up to obscene levels, but I digress. Obviously you can't just put it all in one bag, and most political alignments bring at least some good ideas to the table, social-democracy being no exception. As a whole and in sanders iteration, however, I find then unappealing, and again, in his particular case, idealistic. Which is not to say that I don't like some of his policies. I wouldn't argue about "trickle down" being also really iffy, for what it's worth.[/QUOTE] I just don't see how his program can be deemed idealistic when it's all things that have been done before. Something like the dictatorial transition in a Marxist regime being successful, [I]that would be idealistic.[/I] But things that already exist or have happened can't be idealistic by definition.

[QUOTE=_Axel;51632426]I just don't see how his program can be deemed idealistic when it's all things that have been done before. Something like the dictatorial transition in a Marxist regime being successful, [I]that would be idealistic.[/I] But things that already exist or have happened can't be idealistic by definition.[/QUOTE] Well, I suppose I am a bit biased, maybe I'm just a bit too weary without good reason