D.C. to overhaul ninth grade, separate students who failed
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Took algebra in 7th grade, it was easy as fuck, then again I've always had a thing for math.
Those tight tights and fit leather jackets are hotter than hell.
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You people are so cruel.[/QUOTE]
People find it difficult and in many cases have no use for alot of the advanced math they learn. Alot of people forget it all after highschool.
In Australia, We basically do it once a term each year, I failed the algebra term last time but luckily got A's in everything else involving maths to keep me from failing overall.
People take Algebra in 9th grade? Shit. I took Algebra 2 in 9th grade...
Algebra was never a class for me, it was just gradually rolled into normal math.
Your education system is weird, USA. Its like you don't have any standarts, and every state does whatever the fuck it wants regarding education.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41260411]When I was in school you took a math test in 8th grade. What you scored determined what math class you took as a freshman in high school. Foundations II, Algebra and Algebra II. It was completely pointless because even if you scored perfect, and got put in Algebra or Algebra II, you'd still HAVE to take Foundations II at a later year anyway in order to graduate. Nothing quite like being in Foundations II with usually freshman as a senior just sitting there being bored shitless
And unless you're going to do something specific in college or as a career you're already set out to do, a lot of it is useless math. Finances would've been nice but the closest we had was economics. If you wanted to learn about stuff you'd actually use in your day to day life, ROTC was the only class teaching anything at my high school. Even the American History class wasn't going to be allowed to teach American History BEFORE the Civil War after I graduated. Our country isn't even 300 years old and now a Junior High School American History class isn't going to cover the American Revolution? What bullshit is that
What a shame, because the teacher for that class was a good teacher, which is rare[/QUOTE]
My highschool American history class spent two weeks covering WWII but completely skipped the Civil war, thanks now I know who General Tojo is but what's that whole slavery thing about? :downs:
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;41260701]We have standards and in most states abide by them, it's just that some shoot ahead.[/QUOTE]
... and most fall behind.
[QUOTE=areolop;41258828]They dont even teach Algebra until the 9th grade in my local school system.
I would say this program would be better to separate those underachieving from the mid or higher achieving students so that, as many can tell you, you dont get stuck with people asking really stupid questions that slow the class down.[/QUOTE]
algebra wasn't till 10th in Canada. and that was our 3rd 4th unit (only 4 units so that's halfway through the year)
Totally thought this was a thread about DC comics based of the title. I guess math is ok.
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I think this is a good move, separating the the 9th graders. When I took remedial classes during high school, it was unbearable because of all the stoners and gangster wannabes who wouldn't even try to learn.
But don't forget to support the remedial students. There can still be some diamonds in the dirt.
[QUOTE=Keychain;41260197]Math can kiss my ass. The only useful Math class is Finance. You actually learn some useful stuff there.[/QUOTE]
Personally I found algebra useful simply because my Physics class was about 90% algebra. Also maybe I'm just loony but I actually developed a tendency to go over calculations in my head when I'm bored, good way to pass time.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41259174]"Still hammering out plans for repeat students"
I call bullshit. This program sounds like they're just trying to keep repeat students from interacting with regular freshman and "damaging" them. Everyone knows quarantine does not help you if you're the one being quarantined. Looks like you're well and truly fucked in life if you fail 9th grade in DC.[/QUOTE]
God forbid the freshmores don't have kids fresh out of middle school to set them back on the path for success
If a kid is failing something as basic as Algebra 1 then I'd rather a different approach be taken than just pushing them back through another year of the same thing. If this results in a different teaching style for those who have failed the first time around, then I'm all for it. Sorry but they obviously have a problem and I think it'd be easier for the school to address them if the class is all kids who have failed the first time around, and it'd keep the normal classes running smoothly.
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I'd recommend snipping that last bit, I'm not sure if thats bannable but I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen before
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41260951]I'd recommend snipping that last bit, I'm not sure if thats bannable but I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen before[/QUOTE]
it really depends on the action behind the reaction
i've done it a buttload of times and tried to follow it with quality content, and i know a mod's seen me do it a few times, never been banned for it.
[QUOTE=lavacano;41260971]it really depends on the action behind the reaction
i've done it a buttload of times and tried to follow it with quality content, and i know a mod's seen me do it a few times, never been banned for it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I guess it might have been for posts that were crap/over the top about it, but I dunno. I'd just rather play it safe.
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Algebra here was interesting. It was supposed to be a 9th grade thing for me, but evidently some middle schools (mine included) do algebra in 8th grade. I would have started with Geometry in 9th, then Alg II + Trig, but I was in behavior classes and only got like a week's worth of Alg 1 in middle school, so it obviously didn't count.
I had algebra since the fifth grade all the way to the eleventh.
But I found out what the fuck algebra even is only in university
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41260083]because segregation works so well[/QUOTE]
separating out kids by ability does work
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also cultural translation: how old are kids in 9th grade? I'm trying to figure out how this compares to the UK system.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41262135]separating out kids by ability does work
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also cultural translation: how old are kids in 9th grade? I'm trying to figure out how this compares to the UK system.[/QUOTE]
Usually 14-15.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41262313]Usually 14-15.[/QUOTE]
American kids start learning algebra at 14-15?
So people actually repeat grades in high school? My school just keeps putting you a grade level up and kicks you out junior year if you don't have the right amount of credits.
Oh and Algebra isn't even hard. It's basically plugging numbers into an equation and remembering certain rules.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41262334]American kids start learning algebra at 14-15?[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing it depends on the school. In my middle school we started learning basic algebra in 6th grade (like really basic). I don't know what we were supposed to learn in 7th grade since I ended up with a math teacher who taught super advanced math that was not related to anything we previously learned. 8th grade a hodge podge of stats, algebra, etc., then in high school it specialized: algebra, geometry, pre-calc, calc or stats for 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade, respectively. You could skip math as well, if you placed high enough from summer courses/some other things. There were levels for each of them, so there's honors and/or Advanced Placement, regular, and remedial.
I'm guessing most other schools in other states don't do this though.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41258844]Depends on the school. I went to a private school until high school, and I learnt basic algebra in 6th and 7th grade.[/QUOTE]
Basic algebra is sometimes taught in 8th grade as "pre-algebra". I took a pre-algebra class before going to high school.
sounds like education based discrimination to me.
The ninth graders who fail are most likely troublemakers so I see good reason to segregate them
I live in West Virginia and each class I was in always had one or two noisy rednecks and a couple burnouts
Our school offered algebra 1 in 8th grade. You had to pass an entrance exam though.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41260450]People find it difficult and in many cases have no use for alot of the advanced math they learn. Alot of people forget it all after highschool.[/QUOTE]
How it worked for me. I'v never been that good at math, but i took advanced courses because the gave merit points for certain uni / highschool (different definitions) programs. It ended up being "if X appears, do Y"
I'm sure it's useful, but i'v never needed it after. Still glad i took it though (did end up getting in where i wanted)
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