• Taliban wore American uniforms, destroyed six fighter planes, in the raid on Camp Bastion.
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[QUOTE]Prince Harry is an Apache helicopter pilot based at Camp Bastion, but the British Ministry of Defence categorically rejected reports in Sunday's British press that he was just a few hundred yards away from the gun battle. Harry, a grandson of Queen Elizabeth II and third in line to the British throne, "was in no way in any danger" during the latest attack, ISAF spokesman Maj. Martin Crighton said earlier.[/QUOTE] For fucks sake he's in the army, what do they expect.
Do you guys honestly think the taliban care about being labelled war criminals.
yes !!!!!!!!
considering they pay meticulous attention to the Geneva Convention [sp] hey that rhymes[/sp]
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37695115]considering they pay meticulous attention to the Geneva Convention [sp] hey that rhymes[/sp][/QUOTE] funnily enough isaf actually violates the geneva convention by not using pre-agreed on by both sides medevac routes and here the us army goes around with red crosses and unarmed medevacs while every other branch has unmarked and armed medevacs
There must be some kind of hive brain we have not seen before.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;37694719]The Taliban formally declared war on the United States in 2001[/QUOTE] But these fighters may not necessarily be Taliban, they are irregular fighters and were trained in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. They are really just Mujaheddin, they are not formally assigned to any nations army. These are basically just armed men who shoot at American soldiers. They are not soldiers themselves, they are militia at best and are probably not eligible for conventional war crimes. That matters little though, since because they are irregular fighters, the US/NATO [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp"]can basically punish them however they see fit[/URL] as defined by their own human right regulations, which wouldn't be the case with soldiers as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions"]soldiers would be subject to international treaties.[/URL]
Actually, British Army Air Corps unit 665 (Same Squadron as Ed Macy flew in) operates out of Bastion - Didn't think harry was part of that unit.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;37694719]The Taliban formally declared war on the United States in 2001[/QUOTE] Pretty sure it was the US. [quote][I]We strongly condemn the events that happened in the United States at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. We share the grief of all those who have lost their nearest and dearest in these incidents. All those responsible must be brought to justice. We want them to be brought to justice, and we want America to be patient and careful in their actions.[/I] -Official Press Release Statement Once again, I wrote a long letter to President Bush and the White House on behalf of the Afghan people, depicting the problems we faced: the hunger, the drought, the refugees… I went into great detail about the severe impact that continuous warfare had had on Afghan society, the many domestic enemies, the fractionalisation and the many casualties of war and lawlessness. I asked him to be cautious, to take into account the disastrous effects of war, and to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past. If they continued further down the same path, America would be solely responsible for what would follow. “There is no doubt”, I wrote, “that America is the only superpower in the world, just as there is no doubt that Afghanistan has already lost everything in the previous two decades of war. We don’t have any power—economic or political—and even our military is stretched to hold on to the lawless provinces in the east, let alone stand up to America. [B]Afghanistan grew tired of fighting during the jihad and civil war ten years ago. We don’t want to fight anymore, nor do we have the power to do so”[/B]. [B]With all this in mind, I advised him to choose dialogue and talks instead of war.[/B] A copy of my letter was sent to the US embassy in Islamabad and to members of the US parliament and Congress as well. I was trying to draw their attention to the terrible outcome that a military solution would have for both Afghanistan and the United States.[/quote] -Zaeef Afgan Ambassador to Pakistan (Life with the Taliban / Columbia University Press) Pretty much anyone following what happened after 9/11 knows the US went into a hissy fit and started forming a coalition to fight a country inferior to any single country in their coalition.
[QUOTE=draugur;37694648]Yeah because we totally flew planes into highly populated civilian and government structures, bombed buses and tunnels, oh and attacked embassies all in the name of a religious faith? What's that? No, we didn't do that? Huh.[/QUOTE] I didn't know the Taliban did that. Oh I forgot all brown people are the same they all want to destroy America.
you honestly can't blame the "Taliban" for fighting - most of them are actually brainwashed at a lack of better words
[QUOTE=Tark;37689073]The A10 Thunderbolt is 30 years old now, and it's still going very, -very- strong. Age doesn't really matter when you can upgrade and refit.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter, the A-10 is a gun with a plane built around it (This isn't a joke, it's true) The AK-47's been around a long time. You just don't get rid of perfectly good weapon system. The Harrier on the other hand, is a type of system that does get left behind when new stuff comes out. You can change it a bit, but ultimately, it's old, it's 4th gen, and it's extremely difficult to fly, think of it as a Motherboard that doesn't support Socket 3, eventually it'll reach it's peak, which it has, and will need to be replaced. Which is hopefully where the F-35 comes in. F-35's have been flying around where I live for quite some time now so I'd say the F-35 is going well in its testing so far
[QUOTE=W0w00t;37695128]funnily enough isaf actually violates the geneva convention by not using pre-agreed on by both sides medevac routes and here the us army goes around with red crosses and unarmed medevacs while every other branch has unmarked and armed medevacs[/QUOTE] You don't have to follow the Geneva convention if the other side doesn't and isn't a signatory nation. Basically two nations which have signed the convention must follow the rules if they declare war or perform any armed action against one another. A signatory nation fighting another nation that is following the rules must treat it as though they were fighting another signatory nation. An enemy force that is neither following the rules nor a party to the convention is not protected in any capacity under the agreement. Civilians remain protected, but in theory we can do whatever we please to terrorist and insurgent forces. [img]http://imageshack.us/a/img404/3784/33847904404ced705f93z.jpg[/img] Actually the only branch that doesn't sport marked medevac helicopters is the USAF. That is because USAF helicopters fill a different role. When a medevac call is put in from infantry or armored squads, the job is simple. Reach a location, pick up the wounded, and fly out of there. When a fixed wing aircraft goes down, it is likely in the middle of nowhere and the pilot must escape and evade capture in hostile territory. This is a much more complicated mission. You have to deploy armed helicopters to possibly locate and certainly retrieve the downed pilot from what is very likely hostile territory with little in the way of ground assets. The USAF even fields a special forces team specifically trained to retrieve pilots from the absolute worst situations. They jump deep behind enemy lines to locate pilots and get them safely to an evac point. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parajumpers[/url] So very different purposes. Conventional medevac helicopters should not be armed.
[QUOTE=draugur;37694648]Yeah because we totally flew planes into highly populated civilian and government structures, bombed buses and tunnels, oh and attacked embassies all in the name of a religious faith? What's that? No, we didn't do that? Huh.[/QUOTE] No, you just invaded a country under false pretences and caused the deaths of over a million people, also destabilising the entire region. Also the taliban didn't do any of that lol [editline]17th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Disotrtion;37694891]or how we beheaded journalist Daniel Pearl[/QUOTE] Yeah, the US does much nicer things, like torture inmates at Guantanamo.
Am I the only one who thought that them reporting the exact location of Prince Harry retarded?
[QUOTE=draugur;37694648]Yeah because we totally flew planes into highly populated civilian and government structures, bombed buses and tunnels, oh and attacked embassies all in the name of a religious faith? What's that? No, we didn't do that? Huh.[/QUOTE] Abu Ghraib My point was that you can't use the actions of seperate groups within a bigger organization to label the bigger one unless said bigger, adminstrative group ordered these actions.
[QUOTE=GunFox;37696459]You don't have to follow the Geneva convention if the other side doesn't and isn't a signatory nation. Basically two nations which have signed the convention must follow the rules if they declare war or perform any armed action against one another. A signatory nation fighting another nation that is following the rules must treat it as though they were fighting another signatory nation. An enemy force that is neither following the rules nor a party to the convention is not protected in any capacity under the agreement. Civilians remain protected, but in theory we can do whatever we please to terrorist and insurgent forces. [img]http://imageshack.us/a/img404/3784/33847904404ced705f93z.jpg[/img] Actually the only branch that doesn't sport marked medevac helicopters is the USAF. That is because USAF helicopters fill a different role. When a medevac call is put in from infantry or armored squads, the job is simple. Reach a location, pick up the wounded, and fly out of there. When a fixed wing aircraft goes down, it is likely in the middle of nowhere and the pilot must escape and evade capture in hostile territory. This is a much more complicated mission. You have to deploy armed helicopters to possibly locate and certainly retrieve the downed pilot from what is very likely hostile territory with little in the way of ground assets. The USAF even fields a special forces team specifically trained to retrieve pilots from the absolute worst situations. They jump deep behind enemy lines to locate pilots and get them safely to an evac point. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parajumpers[/url] So very different purposes. Conventional medevac helicopters should not be armed.[/QUOTE] pretty much we aren't fighting a convention war but the army is trying to follow that- which gets people killed when medevacs are delayed waiting for an armed escort
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;37693891]Are you advocating the death of innocent people? It doesn't matter why we're there. No one, especially friendly soldiers, deserve to die.[/QUOTE] So you think the tens of thousands of civilian casualties inflicted by NATO during their lovely little picnic to Iraq and Afghanistan were an acceptable sacrifice? The hypocrisy of you people, seriously.
The story about the guys that dressed up as US Soldiers and kidnapped a bunch of actual US Soldiers just scares me, that'd be so horrifying.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;37698824]So you think the tens of thousands of civilian casualties inflicted by NATO during their lovely little picnic to Iraq and Afghanistan were an acceptable sacrifice? The hypocrisy of you people, seriously.[/QUOTE] people care about people from their country and not other countries... 90% of the time. It's not that odd to have that point of view.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;37688609]It's like someone flipped a switch and the situation in the Middle East went from relatively stable to FUBAR in a matter of days. A raid like this is way beyond stuff we've seen before.[/QUOTE] Guess who flipped it: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4y5eX.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=C47;37695714]Pretty sure it was the US. -Zaeef Afgan Ambassador to Pakistan (Life with the Taliban / Columbia University Press) Pretty much anyone following what happened after 9/11 knows the US went into a hissy fit and started forming a coalition to fight a country inferior to any single country in their coalition.[/QUOTE] Its funny cause while they claimed "No No No we want peace, really!", Mullah Omar continued to hide and protect his butt-buddy Osama, and other AQ operatives/ training camps. al-Qaeda training camps trained an estimated 10,000 AQ and Taliban operatives between 1996-2001. Some estimates actually go up to 20,000 AQ/Taliban trained in these camps. Not to mention that 2,000-3,000 AQ operatives fought alongside the Taliban from 1999-2001. Also, don't forget about the atrocities committed by Bin Laden's personally sponsored 055 brigade. George Bush's ultimatum was "Hand over those responsible [for 9/11], or you will share their fate." May not be exact, I'm recalling this quote from memory... anyways the Taliban remained defiant. Also, because Bin Laden actually used a portion of his personal wealth to help fund the Taliban, Afghanistan was not only a state sponsor of terror, but a state sponsored BY terror.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;37698824]So you think the tens of thousands of civilian casualties inflicted by NATO during their lovely little picnic to Iraq and Afghanistan were an acceptable sacrifice? The hypocrisy of you people, seriously.[/QUOTE] Please show me where you get these numbers. I watch videos of helicopter cams, drone cams, and all sorts of other things. Our troops are far from idiots when it comes to civilians and do their best to avoid hurting them, or killing them. I actually watched a video where a drone circled taliban soldiers as they planted IED in a road, and the drone operators refused to fire because a child was with them, and get this the child was helping the taliban. So you can take your numbers and shove it up your weak ass, just because we make mistakes and civilians get hurt, doesn't mean we ment to. No, the taliban are the ones who go out with the intent to harm the innocent.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;37706532]Please show me where you get these numbers. I watch videos of helicopter cams, drone cams, and all sorts of other things. Our troops are far from idiots when it comes to civilians and do their best to avoid hurting them, or killing them. I actually watched a video where a drone circled taliban soldiers as they planted IED in a road, and the drone operators refused to fire because a child was with them, and get this the child was helping the taliban. So you can take your numbers and shove it up your weak ass, just because we make mistakes and civilians get hurt, doesn't mean we ment to. No, the taliban are the ones who go out with the intent to harm the innocent.[/QUOTE] No US soldier has ever harmed a civilian on purpose. True story. Okay, so you're a weird sociopath who watches videos of helicopter cams and shit, (you seemed to have missed the ones where the pilots open fire on civilians), that's nice. Saying "I've seen" doesn't rightly prove anything. Fact of the matter is, US soldiers do kill civilians and the numbers are excessive. Malicious or not, it happens and so does malicious intent. Way too many massacres committed by US soldiers to say that everything is fine and there are no issues. Just because you go "Oh, oops, shit happens" Doesn't justify the massive collateral damage the US has inflicted in the Middle East. I don't give a shit whether or not it's on purpose, fact remains it still happens. You can't just say "oops my bad" and expect everything to be perfectly fine. And stop fucking using this "well the taliban do it", you sound like a stupid little child. Yeah, taliban groups do shit like this, so fucking what, that doesn't justify anything. You military apologists are fucking ridiculous. A soldier can rape a baby to death in its stupid little face and you people will still wave your flags going "He's a hero, god bless america, he did nothing wrong, collateral damage"
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37708560]No US soldier has ever harmed a civilian on purpose. True story. Okay, so you're a weird sociopath who watches videos of helicopter cams and shit, (you seemed to have missed the ones where the pilots open fire on civilians), that's nice. Saying "I've seen" doesn't rightly prove anything. Fact of the matter is, US soldiers do kill civilians and the numbers are excessive. Malicious or not, it happens and so does malicious intent. Way too many massacres committed by US soldiers to say that everything is fine and there are no issues. Just because you go "Oh, oops, shit happens" Doesn't justify the massive collateral damage the US has inflicted in the Middle East. I don't give a shit whether or not it's on purpose, fact remains it still happens. You can't just say "oops my bad" and expect everything to be perfectly fine. And stop fucking using this "well the taliban do it", you sound like a stupid little child. Yeah, taliban groups do shit like this, so fucking what, that doesn't justify anything. You military apologists are fucking ridiculous. A soldier can rape a baby to death in its stupid little face and you people will still wave your flags going "He's a hero, god bless america, he did nothing wrong, collateral damage"[/QUOTE] [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/21/1300743987251/A-US-soldier-poses-with-d-007.jpg[/img] [quote]Despite being a setback in the propaganda war between the western coalition and its insurgent enemies, Nato will be relieved that for the time being only a tiny sample of a total collection of roughly [B]4,000 images and video clips [/B]have found their way into the public domain. The publication of the photos will also mark the ultimate disgrace of the [B]group of young US soldiers[/B], who are currently facing military justice for [B]killing innocent civilians for sport[/B] and [B]mutilating their bodies by cutting off fingers and ripping out teeth to keep as trophies.[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/afghanistan-trophy-photos-us-soldier?INTCMP=SRCH[/url] If these guys were Muslims, it would be okay to label all muslim savages and call to bomb/glass muslims and what not. But when its an American involved, its an isolated incident and does not represent the US.
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