Oh no they didn't: Rocket fire signals end of the humanitarian truce in Gaza. - Polidicks

There is no pleasant end to this. Unfortunately, the Middle East has a disturbing predilection for relentless cycles of violence like this. The Israelis and Hamas are just another pair of parties to come to blows. Sadly I don't think there'll be peace in the East in our lifetimes. It's an area fraught with a history of violence. Note, I'm not referring to any specific ethnic group here. The region itself is simply and unfortunately tilted towards this us-and-them conga line that stretches to the foreseeable horizon.

[QUOTE=Lamar;45510446]That's an awful analogy, it pretends that Hamas rockets happen in a vacuum.[/QUOTE] Okay, then the other driver did it because you were merging into his lane. How about that?

[QUOTE=darunner;45510580]Okay, then the other driver did it because you were merging into his lane. How about that?[/QUOTE] if you want to substitute that with decades of oppression, fine whatever.

[QUOTE=darunner;45510580]Okay, then the other driver did it because you were merging into his lane. How about that?[/QUOTE] But then imagine the car you're driving is a ford fiesta and the other driver is driving a minivan. Also the other driver is in a carpool lane without any passengers and both of your turn signals are broken.

[QUOTE=Monkah;45510316]If I needed a metaphor, it'd be shooting someone with a kevlar vest on, then not expecting to get shot back.[/QUOTE] Except that when they get 'shot back', the still-alive shooter uses piercing rounds that go through the target and kill 5 other unrelated people in the process.

so is it Israel's fault for having rockets launched at them?

[QUOTE=sYnced;45511167]so is it Israel's fault for having rockets launched at them?[/QUOTE] Actually, yes. Netanyahu wanting to break apart the Palestinian unity government launched a military incursion into the West Bank. It was under the pretext of "rescuing" the 3 kidnapped teens, despite the fact he already knew they were dead and that there was no real evidence that Hamas was involved (On the contrary they always gloat about whatever they've done). Hamas then responded to these attacks on its presence in the WB with rocket fire. Then there's simply the fact that Israel oppresses millions of Palestinians, rocket-fire happens to be one of the ways they lash-out against Israel.

You're delusional Lamar.

[QUOTE=sYnced;45511167]so is it Israel's fault for having rockets launched at them?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lamar;45511318]Actually, yes.[/QUOTE] I'm amazed that people have the ability to take you seriously.

An anti-Israel thread by Lamar a day keeps the IDF sympathizers away.

[QUOTE=Tsyolin;45511958]An anti-Israel thread by Lamar a day keeps the IDF sympathizers away.[/QUOTE] He fails at if that is the overall goal. Perhaps Lamar should have their own megathread. Lamar doesn't exist for any other than to fill SH with their threads, and its pretty boring to be honest.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;45512365]He fails at if that is the overall goal. Perhaps Lamar should have their own megathread. Lamar doesn't exist for any other than to fill SH with their threads, and its pretty boring to be honest.[/QUOTE] Except megathreads by the SH rules are forbidden, and you probably know it. They've been disallowed for some time now.

Lamar likes people and countries that attempt self defense but aren't aware of the definition of a proportionate response, and end up getting away with it in the end

I'm not sure what you mean by "proportionate." Do you propose they fire some crudely-designed rockets indisciminately towards civilian areas? That would be equal, except there is no Iron Dome to protect Gaza, thus civilians will die anyway. It's a fact of war. I pointed this out statistically in the other thread...truckloads of civilians die in most any modern conflict. Given the population density of Gaza this is almost certain. It makes a nice propaganda piece to argue as if it's somehow been more avoidable in the past, which it hasn't.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;45512602]I'm not sure what you mean by "proportionate." Do you propose they fire some crudely-designed rockets indisciminately towards civilian areas? That would be equal, except there is no Iron Dome to protect Gaza, thus civilians will die anyway. It's a fact of war. I pointed this out statistically in the other thread...truckloads of civilians die in most any modern conflict. Given the population density of Gaza this is almost certain. It makes a nice propaganda piece to argue as if it's somehow been more avoidable in the past, which it hasn't.[/QUOTE] Again, it's hardly a war when you just indiscriminately massmurder civilians.

Yeah, theres no civil war in Syria at the moment.