Gender Quotas to be Enforced on Comedy Panel Shows by BBC - Polidicks

Where's the male nurse quote? I want a men quota in offices run by feminists. I'd like to see that happen but I think I'll turn into fossilized fuel before that event. Shouldn't matter what you have between your damn legs, what should matter is how good you are at what you do. The people who go along with the peer pressure of the society are part of the problem themselves, no quotas can fix that shit.

[QUOTE=Stockers678;43849340]As if feminism is this just one thing. There are many different and opposing perspectives that can be classed as feminist, so stop trying to reduce everything down to the point of idiocy. Making broad swipes like this makes you look foolish.[/QUOTE] Quotas and statistics are a part of feminism, a huge part. Maybe just me but it seems that you are trying to undermine an issue that can easily grow beyound bbc sitcoms and actually cause some problems.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;43845286]Jo Brand - shit Sarah Millican - double shit That one with the puppets - kill me That smug one with the really thin glasses, almost definitely a Guardianite, I think her name is Sue something - kill her Sandi Toksvig - no no no That Indian one - NO NO NO NO NO Victoria Wood - has too much sense to do them Better solution: stop making the damned panel shows. Make something interesting, we're paying £12 a month, stop having this what is essentially a bunch of mates paying each other to laugh at everyone's jokes.[/QUOTE] You sound hilariously like my grandad. He just doesn't understand that the license fee is paid by all, and therefore the shows the BBC produces or commissions must be representative of what everyone wants. Lots of people like panel shows, myself included, so they stay. Besides the fact that you make it sound like the whole £12, or any appreciable fraction of it, is devoted entirely to panel shows... I mean it also pays for all of the rest of the BBC.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43845618]I honestly don't understand how people can think gender quotas are a good thing. It's literally replacing misogyny with misandry, which is not equality by any stretch of the imagination. Instead of actually fixing the problems they replace one problem with another[/QUOTE] I don't know whether I agree with this or not, but I don't see how it's misandry. It's not like they're doing this because they think men are worse comedians or anything, it's just trying to get at least [I]some[/I] representation for 50% of the population on these major programmes that we're publicly funding. [QUOTE=mobrockers;43845793]People get chosen to be on the show because they're funny and because they're willing to come on. All enforcing a quota will do is ensure less funny people get on as funny women already do get on the show.[/QUOTE] IDK, I find it hard to believe that they pick based on an objective assessment of the funniest people that exist in the UK. I expect it's more to do with who know's who, who has what connections and who's already well known. If anything we might get [I]more[/I] funny people now, since we'll presumably see more new faces. The only way we'd get less funny people is if there's literally no more as-funny women than are currently on TV, which I seriously doubt.

[QUOTE=Tweevle;43850439]If anything we might get [I]more[/I] funny people now, since we'll presumably see more new faces.[/QUOTE] Doubt it. QI at least is just gonna keep using its existing stable of female comedians.

[QUOTE=Tweevle;43850439]I don't know whether I agree with this or not, but I don't see how it's misandry. It's not like they're doing this because they think men are worse comedians or anything, it's just trying to get at least [I]some[/I] representation for 50% of the population on these major programmes that we're publicly funding. IDK, I find it hard to believe that they pick based on an objective assessment of the funniest people that exist in the UK. I expect it's more to do with who know's who, who has what connections and who's already well known. If anything we might get [I]more[/I] funny people now, since we'll presumably see more new faces. The only way we'd get less funny people is if there's literally no more as-funny women than are currently on TV, which I seriously doubt.[/QUOTE] You seriously think they'll go through the effort to find new faces for the shows? No, we'll either see the same women appear on all the panel shows even more than is already happening, or we'll see women already well known but not really suitable for panel shows appear, just because they have to put them on the show. The whole business resolves around knowing the right people, this quote won't suddenly change that, they'll just fit it in to the existing who know's who culture, and we won't get better television for it.

What's with all the hate for Sue Perkins? She's pretty funny.

[QUOTE=Appellation;43849954]Yeah, shut up you misogynistic, fedora wearing neckbeards.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry for posting that. It was dumb of me. No one ever generalized like that in SH, and to suggest that it is common is completely ludicrous. Thank you for helping me see the error of my ways.

It kind of seems irrelevant discussing the comedians that have [B]already[/B] featured on the shows and whether people find them funny, hopefully a quota - while maybe not the best solution - will encourage producers to find new talent (of which there is no shortage) and put them on. I think in general, putting new talent on - male or female - would be a good plan, while I love a bit of QI and the others, they can get a bit circle-jerky.

Keep in mind that the BBC is a public broadcaster paid for by women as much as by men before you consider this to be outrageous

Are these panel shows limited to British people (and the immediate vicinity, e.g. Ireland)? I've only seen like one or two episodes of Mock The Week on YouTube. If not, I'm pretty sure there's a few American women who'd enjoy showing up on the odd occasion. Also, you guys have Josie Lawrence, and I have no idea what she's been doing after WLIIA ended in the UK, but Wikipedia says she's still alive so get a hold of her.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43854081]Keep in mind that the BBC is a public broadcaster paid for by women as much as by men before you consider this to be outrageous[/QUOTE] And that's why they should pick by quality not by sex.

I heard an explanation on Radio 4 about the lack of female comedians. They said its because when men share stories around a table at the pub or whatever, they are trying to outdo each other. Each guy is triyng to be funnier than the last. Whereas women tend to listen to each other more, and a far more interested in what each other have to say. Like they share stories and discuss them rather than treating it like a competition. [editline]10th February 2014[/editline] So basically.. yeah gender quotas are retarded Like for general elections as well, forcing a constituency to have only female candidates when there might be a male candidate who is more suited to the job?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43854081]Keep in mind that the BBC is a public broadcaster paid for by women as much as by men before you consider this to be outrageous[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that people that pay for something want [I]quality[/I], not some made up idea that women only want to see other women on tv.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43854081]Keep in mind that the BBC is a public broadcaster paid for by women as much as by men before you consider this to be outrageous[/QUOTE] Why are you saying that women like to see women on TV instead of quality content? Are you implying they have no sense of humor? Wow Zeke sure didn't expect such sexist views from someone like you.

Can I tell you what would be real comedy? If the quotas were reversed!

[QUOTE=Secrios;43856769]Can I tell you what would be real comedy? If the quotas were reversed![/QUOTE] What, instead of 50/50 male to female it would be 50/50 female to male?

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43856601]Keep in mind that people that pay for something want [I]quality[/I], not some made up idea that women only want to see other women on tv.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=itisjuly;43856635]Why are you saying that women like to see women on TV instead of quality content? Are you implying they have no sense of humor? Wow Zeke sure didn't expect such sexist views from someone like you.[/QUOTE] Why are you both saying that they wouldn't be looking for quality women comedians? Is being a woman and being a quality comedian mutually exclusive?

[QUOTE=Valnar;43857710]Why are you both saying that they wouldn't be looking for quality women comedians? Is being a woman and being a quality comedian mutually exclusive?[/QUOTE] That's not what we're saying, we're saying the gender of the comedian should have absolutely nothing to do with them getting a spot on the show, and people do not watch tv shows because there's x men or x women on them, they watch them because they're fun to watch.

[QUOTE=Valnar;43857710]Why are you both saying that they wouldn't be looking for quality women comedians? Is being a woman and being a quality comedian mutually exclusive?[/QUOTE] Women and quality - no. Quotas and quality, however, are mutually exclusive. And is it me or is trying to call each other out on being sexist grew a bit old by now?

On just about every Canadian comedy panel show they have Debra DiGiovanni. The good thing is she's actually funny.

[QUOTE=Tweevle;43850439]I don't know whether I agree with this or not, but I don't see how it's misandry. It's not like they're doing this because they think men are worse comedians or anything, it's just trying to get at least [I]some[/I] representation for 50% of the population on these major programmes that we're publicly funding.[/QUOTE]That's bullshit, though. There are already a great deal of women who made a career out of making people laugh, there's no lack of representation in comedy at fucking all and it's been like that for a long time. Hell, comedy has been one of the few places where equality wasn't as important as performance, despite a few fuckups now and again. (Carlos Mencia being a good goddamn example of a comedic fuckup)

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43850154]Quotas and statistics are a part of feminism, a huge part. Maybe just me but it seems that you are trying to undermine an issue that can easily grow beyound bbc sitcoms and actually cause some problems.[/QUOTE] Not all feminists believe in quota's and women needing a crutch to achieve equality. Just a dangerous amount of them.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43879089]Not all feminists believe in quota's and women needing a crutch to achieve equality. Just a dangerous amount of them.[/QUOTE] Hell, the majority of them don't believe that. It's just that the ones who do are really fucking loud, and drown out the sane feminists.

[QUOTE=Doozle;43845863]It's just the female hating vibes that I'm getting from this thread These sorts of discussions never seem like a discussion about equality but more about a discussion about the threat women pose to men. I just don't feel this conversation would ever go this way if it was held in the real world.[/QUOTE] What you're saying is the opposite of what the general opinion usually is.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;43865896]That's bullshit, though. There are already a great deal of women who made a career out of making people laugh, there's no lack of representation in comedy at fucking all and it's been like that for a long time. Hell, comedy has been one of the few places where equality wasn't as important as performance, despite a few fuckups now and again. (Carlos Mencia being a good goddamn example of a comedic fuckup)[/QUOTE] Then surely it wouldn't be hard to have at least one woman on each panel show? I mean, if they're out there already.

[QUOTE=Tweevle;43881584]Then surely it wouldn't be hard to have at least one woman on each panel show? I mean, if they're out there already.[/QUOTE] Each panel show does have at least one woman on the show.

Not seeing a massive controversy here. We have a lot of actually talented female comedians that never see the spotlight because "hurr girls no funny", and because the male ones are so well known it's easy to populate a panel with them. Gives up and coming women a chance at the big time. After all, there's only so many times they can get the age old comedians who are already used on every panel show ever before it gets boring.

We don't actually know if they're going to go out of their way to get new blood, though. If they do, that's great. If not, then we're going to see the same few female comedians we already see but more often.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43883101]Each panel show does have at least one woman on the show.[/QUOTE] Presumably they don't or else this quota wouldn't have happened. And if they [I]do[/I], the quota won't change what we have now, so why complain about it?