Ron Paul's Republican Legacy Growing In Caucus States Like Iowa And Nevada
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[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;39269622]Everytime a Ron Paul thread gets posted we see plenty of people that just blindly support him because of his [b]revolutionary[/b] "Legalize drugs, end wars" idea.
Fact is that for every good idea Ron Paul has, he has about 10-12 crazy ones.
Not to mention his blatant racism.[/QUOTE]
Every time a Ron Paul thread gets posted, we don't see one damn comment about drugs except for those who say, "people only like him because drugs".
Besides, ending wars is why Obama got into office so why are you ridiculing that?
And there's no evidence of racism from him.
And then people throw around terms like straw man and ad hominem. And then some douchebag posts that dumb Ron Paul video. It's pretty predictable.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39269832]Every time a Ron Paul thread gets posted, we don't see one damn comment about drugs except for those who say, "people only like him because drugs".
Besides, ending wars is why Obama got into office so why are you ridiculing that?
And there's no evidence of racism from him.[/QUOTE]
He wants to repeal the civil rights act and let states decide. That's kind of a really fucking terrible idea and encourages racism in the south.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39270654]He wants to repeal the civil rights act and let states decide. That's kind of a really fucking terrible idea and encourages racism in the south.[/QUOTE]
To be fair I don't think racism inspires him to do that, but his huge boner (Shared by the libertarian voting base to a large degree) for states rights over federal influence.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39270699]To be fair I don't think racism inspires him to do that, but his huge boner (Shared by the libertarian voting base to a large degree) for states rights over federal influence.[/QUOTE]
And it's a dumb idea. The federal government needs to keeps the states in line, because without that, they'd get right back to doing stupid shit. Like, I feel bad for some of the gay people that I know that live in places like Tennessee.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39270654]He wants to repeal the civil rights act and let states decide. That's kind of a really fucking terrible idea and encourages racism in the south.[/QUOTE]
I honestly doubt if civil rights was removed that it would become like it was before civil rights. States would probably quickly ratify a equal state level civil right law.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;39270769]I honestly doubt if civil rights was removed that it would become like it was before civil rights. States would probably quickly ratify a equal state level civil right law.[/QUOTE]
I kinda doubt it.
As an example, sodomy is still illegal in Texas, but federal law overrules it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39269832]Every time a Ron Paul thread gets posted, we don't see one damn comment about drugs except for those who say, "people only like him because drugs".
Besides, ending wars is why Obama got into office so why are you ridiculing that?
And there's no evidence of racism from him.[/QUOTE]
Obama got elected for reasons other than ending wars, but that isn't relevant to the conversation.
Also theres plenty of evidence of racism. Look at the newsletter he used to be in charge of, seriously.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39270728]And it's a dumb idea. The federal government needs to keeps the states in line, because without that, they'd get right back to doing stupid shit. Like, I feel bad for some of the gay people that I know that live in places like Tennessee.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because it's state's rights that are getting gay marriage legalized throughout the country.
[editline]18th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;39270862]Obama got elected for reasons other than ending wars, but that isn't relevant to the conversation.
Also theres plenty of evidence of racism. Look at the newsletter he used to be in charge of, seriously.[/QUOTE]
One newsletter he didn't even write himself. What else you have? "plenty"?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39270969]It's funny because it's state's rights that are getting gay marriage legalized throughout the country.[/QUOTE]
Oh I completely trust northeast, industrial and western states on the matter. I just fear for people in the south. While there's progressive legislation in the north, the south just digs further down and does shit like make it okay for an employer to fire people based on sexuality orientation or religious belief.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39270969]It's funny because it's state's rights that are getting gay marriage legalized throughout the country.
[editline]18th January 2013[/editline]
One newsletter he didn't even write himself. What else you have? "plenty"?[/QUOTE]
He endorsed what was written in it, you can't possibly say he didn't read his own newsletter for a decade.
Also as a local LGBT activist and GSA leader, I can say that states rights are certainly [b]not[/b] helping gay marriage get passed. It is states rights that kept segregation legal for so long and it is states rights that is going to keep gay marriage illegal in parts of the country for a long time to come.
[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;39271030]He endorsed what was written in it, you can't possibly say he didn't read his own newsletter for a decade.
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So...that's really all you got? One piece of evidence that isn't even directly tied to him and he's a racist? You would make an awesome lawyer.
He's such a racist, that he put two white people, and women on the supreme court.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39271074]So...that's really all you got? One piece of evidence that isn't even directly tied to him and he's a racist? You would make an awesome lawyer.[/QUOTE]
It isn't one piece of evidence, it is years worth of evidence. For years he was the one that made the final decision on what got printed in that newsletter, his own staffers said so, it was directly his responsibility, it is directly tied to him.
Not to mention he accepted donations from the white supremacist site stromfront.org and had regular meetings with leaders of American Third Position, a notoriously racist group.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39269832]Every time a Ron Paul thread gets posted, we don't see one damn comment about drugs except for those who say, "people only like him because drugs".
Besides, ending wars is why Obama got into office so why are you ridiculing that?
And there's no evidence of racism from him.[/QUOTE]
He's a huge enabler for racists.
The states rights approach to things is the worst idea ever and there's a reason why that shit was put down in the 1800's.
I have a lot more faith in the federal government passing sweeping social reforms before pretty much every red state even beginning to consider similar reform. Not only that, but a good amount of red states receive more federal funding than they pay back out, making their reliance on the federal government and federal taxes even more important, which is humorous given their tendency to vote to the right.
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;39271481]The states rights approach to things is the worst idea ever and there's a reason why that shit was put down in the 1800's.
I have a lot more faith in the federal government passing sweeping social reforms before pretty much every red state even beginning to consider similar reform. Not only that, but a good amount of red states receive more federal funding than they pay back out, making their reliance on the federal government and federal taxes even more important, which is humorous given their tendency to vote to the right.[/QUOTE]
the people who oppose the federal gov have no idea how the fuck the fedgov/taxes work
The problem with Ron Paul is that he says what he beleives.
Face it:
You will never have a president that doesn't keep his views as average and centered as possible, in order to receive the most votes.
You will never have a president with a party centered around [I]himself[/I], instead of a party with many leaders desperately trying to keep up the facade of stability, and cooperation.
You will never have a president that beleives everything he says, but makes "sacrifices", in what he says his views are, in order to acheive the presidency.
The reason you hate Ron Paul is because the people you like, the "serious" candidates, are the candidates that are telling you what you want to hear, not what they want to say.
Because to you, now, that's how the game must be played.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39270969]It's funny because it's state's rights that are getting gay marriage legalized throughout the country.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and it's also the reason it'll continue to be outlawed in many Republican states. But I guess gay people living there don't deserve rights eh?
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39273314]
The reason you hate Ron Paul is because the people you like, the "serious" candidates, are the candidates that are telling you what you want to hear, not what they want to say.[/QUOTE]
The reason I hate Ron Paul is because he's fucking crazy and would drive the country into the ground.
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39273314]The reason you hate Ron Paul is because the people you like, the "serious" candidates, are the candidates that are telling you what you want to hear, not what they want to say.
Because to you, now, that's how the game must be played.[/QUOTE]
No, the reason I hate Ron Paul is because he's completely insane and is, from a practical standpoint, a huge racist. You see, whether or not he actually is racist is not the issue - his policies on what states can and cannot do would allow racism to be ingrained in their respective systems, regardless of whether he supports said racism to begin with. He has no input on the matter, so many states in the South will default to the ignorant fundamentalist thinking that they have yet to grow out of.
Really, from a purely functional way of thinking, he's on about the same level as a Grand Wizard of the Klan for all the fucks he'd give about the Civil Rights act. He might not be as actively malicious, but because of his crazy "the states can do anything they want because I might turn evil one day and fuck up the country" ideals he has to stand idly by and watch people's livelihoods be ruined by ignorance and stupidity. This is not a problem with his way of thinking that can be ignored. I wouldn't trust someone like that to run a McDonald's properly, much less one of the most powerful nations on Earth.
The majority of his policies would destroy us both economically AND socially. Anybody who actually believes in a gold standard in this day and age can't even grasp the basics of economics. I used to be a Ron Paul nut, but I started looking more into economics and history and learned of what horrid ideas his are.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39271074]So...that's really all you got? One piece of evidence that isn't even directly tied to him and he's a racist? You would make an awesome lawyer.[/QUOTE]
“Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”
[QUOTE=Keegs;39261700]Ron Paul has a lot of integrity over his views.
But he's still a shitty candidate with a cult following.[/QUOTE]
And Obama isn't? Romney? Clinton? Bush?
They're all shitty politicians with a cult following that devotedly follows them. Scorned and criticized by the rest.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39276052]The reason I hate Ron Paul is because he's fucking crazy and would drive the country into the ground.[/QUOTE]
Obama is going to do the very same. At least he would have brought the change sooner and with a lot less slow pain.
[QUOTE=Cone;39276141]No, the reason I hate Ron Paul is because he's completely insane and is, from a practical standpoint, a huge racist. You see, whether or not he actually is racist is not the issue - his policies on what states can and cannot do would allow racism to be ingrained in their respective systems, regardless of whether he supports said racism to begin with. He has no input on the matter, so many states in the South will default to the ignorant fundamentalist thinking that they have yet to grow out of.
Really, from a purely functional way of thinking, he's on about the same level as a Grand Wizard of the Klan for all the fucks he'd give about the Civil Rights act. He might not be as actively malicious, but because of his crazy "the states can do anything they want because I might turn evil one day and fuck up the country" ideals he has to stand idly by and watch people's livelihoods be ruined by ignorance and stupidity. This is not a problem with his way of thinking that can be ignored. I wouldn't trust someone like that to run a McDonald's properly, much less one of the most powerful nations on Earth.[/QUOTE]
So he's a racist now?
Before...he was a communist, then a sexist, then an anti-war coward, then a debate liar and not a "viable" candidate.
Now they want you to think he's a racist.
Okay I'm half joking, but seriously though, if you knew how difficult it was to be a "white old guy" in this country and comment on race issues [I]every single day[/I] because you are asked about it [I]every single day[/I], you would feel for the guy.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zally13;39279508]The majority of his policies would destroy us both economically AND socially. Anybody who actually believes in a gold standard in this day and age can't even grasp the basics of economics. I used to be a Ron Paul nut, but I started looking more into economics and history and learned of what horrid ideas his are.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
“Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”[/QUOTE]
He was talking about all "racial freedom" holidays period. He was saying that if we keep celebrating our freedom from racism, it's going to make it harder for it to disappear. It's a cultural hazard.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s[/media]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39261672]Ron Paul is the definition of a political joke.[/QUOTE]
Compared to other political people?
[QUOTE=Cone;39276141]No, the reason I hate Ron Paul is because he's completely insane and is, from a practical standpoint, a huge racist. You see, whether or not he actually is racist is not the issue - his policies on what states can and cannot do would allow racism to be ingrained in their respective systems, regardless of whether he supports said racism to begin with. He has no input on the matter, so many states in the South will default to the ignorant fundamentalist thinking that they have yet to grow out of.
Really, from a purely functional way of thinking, he's on about the same level as a Grand Wizard of the Klan for all the fucks he'd give about the Civil Rights act. He might not be as actively malicious, but because of his crazy "the states can do anything they want because I might turn evil one day and fuck up the country" ideals he has to stand idly by and watch people's livelihoods be ruined by ignorance and stupidity. This is not a problem with his way of thinking that can be ignored. I wouldn't trust someone like that to run a McDonald's properly, much less one of the most powerful nations on Earth.[/QUOTE]
I guess you never saw Ron Paul speak about his opposition to the drug war which stems from his belief that it unjustly leads to the imprisonment of minorities. I don't think there's many liberal politicians who even speak on that note, so calling him a "grand wizards", etc. is rather ignorant.
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39280256]Okay I'm half joking, but seriously though, if you knew how difficult it was to be a "white old guy" in this country and comment on race issues [I]every single day[/I] because you are asked about it [I]every single day[/I], you would feel for the guy.[/QUOTE]
maybe if his policies weren't so actively malicious I'd be willing to sympathize
[QUOTE=Zally13;39279508]The majority of his policies would destroy us both economically AND socially. Anybody who actually believes in a gold standard in this day and age can't even grasp the basics of economics. I used to be a Ron Paul nut, but I started looking more into economics and history and learned of what horrid ideas his are.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
“Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”[/QUOTE]
It seems that most criticisms of Ron Paul are usually massive generalizations and prejudices that have been learned from liberal talking heads and propagandists. For instance, the gold standard. I don't think Ron Paul has ever said he would enforce a gold standard or go back to the Bretton Woods days. He's said that he would like to see(and he wouldn't have the authority if elected president, and he realizes this) competitive currency laws. Basically, he doesn't believe people should be arrested for using their own currencies.
He believes in giving people the [B]opportunity[/B] to use gold, not in forcing a monetary standard. So under his ideal scenario, people would use gold if they saw there was a benefit. And if there was, it would catch on through everyday transactions it would basically be like bitcoin: a marginally used, niche form of transaction.
[QUOTE=Cone;39280459]maybe if his policies weren't so actively malicious I'd be willing to sympathize[/QUOTE]
Which policies? Link to speech? :3
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=snuwoods;39280523]It seems that most criticisms of Ron Paul are usually massive generalizations and prejudices that have been learned from liberal talking heads and propagandists. For instance, the gold standard. I don't think Ron Paul has ever said he would enforce a gold standard or go back to the Bretton Woods days. He's said that he would like to see(and he wouldn't have the authority if elected president, and he realizes this) competitive currency laws. Basically, he doesn't believe people should be arrested for using their own currencies.
He believes in giving people the [B]opportunity[/B] to use gold, not in forcing a monetary standard. So under his ideal scenario, people would use gold if they saw there was a benefit. And if there was, it would catch on through everyday transactions it would basically be like bitcoin: a marginally used, niche form of transaction.[/QUOTE]
This.
It's not forcing you to do anything. It would make the system more mathematically complicated, but protect against the falling dollar so people would have something to turn to.
It's not a crazy proposal considering how, at the time he mentioned it, the dollar wasn't doing so hot.
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39280531]Which policies? Link to speech? :3
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
This.
It's not forcing you to do anything. It would make the system more mathematically complicated, but protect against the falling dollar so people would have something to turn to.
It's not a crazy proposal considering how, at the time he mentioned it, the dollar wasn't doing so hot.[/QUOTE]
It's still not doing hot.
Plus I'm willing to bet most opponents of Ron Paul's economic views are Krugman adherents. Krugman believes we should be faking alien invasions to stimulate the economy, and print trillion dollar coins to solve the debt crisis. Ron Paul is crazy, but Krugman is somehow right?
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