Ron Paul's Republican Legacy Growing In Caucus States Like Iowa And Nevada
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[QUOTE=rrunyan;39280256]So he's a racist now?
Before...he was a communist[/QUOTE]
wha
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39280256]Okay I'm half joking, but seriously though, if you knew how difficult it was to be a "white old guy" in this country and comment on race issues [I]every single day[/I] because you are asked about it [I]every single day[/I], you would feel for the guy. [/QUOTE]
what does that have to do with anything
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39280256]He was talking about all "racial freedom" holidays period. He was saying that if we keep celebrating our freedom from racism, it's going to make it harder for it to disappear. It's a cultural hazard.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s[/media][/QUOTE]
i hate how this video is used just randomly for anything race related
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39280256]He was talking about all "racial freedom" holidays period. He was saying that if we keep celebrating our freedom from racism, it's going to make it harder for it to disappear. It's a cultural hazard.[/QUOTE]
Martin Luther King Jr. day isn't a day for only black people. It's a day to celebrate one of the greatest Civil Rights leaders in history. It's celebrating [I]him[/I].
Now, I don't know much about currency or the economy, but what exactly would be bad about having multiple, competing currencies; as opposed to the federal government having a monopoly on currency?
Not saying it would be good, just asking.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;39280523]It seems that most criticisms of Ron Paul are usually massive generalizations and prejudices that have been learned from liberal talking heads and propagandists. For instance, the gold standard. I don't think Ron Paul has ever said he would enforce a gold standard or go back to the Bretton Woods days. He's said that he would like to see(and he wouldn't have the authority if elected president, and he realizes this) competitive currency laws. Basically, he doesn't believe people should be arrested for using their own currencies.
He believes in giving people the [B]opportunity[/B] to use gold, not in forcing a monetary standard. So under his ideal scenario, people would use gold if they saw there was a benefit. And if there was, it would catch on through everyday transactions it would basically be like bitcoin: a marginally used, niche form of transaction.[/QUOTE]
There are already alternate currencies out there, gold would lead to deflation (good luck paying debt), it's just a terrible idea altogether. Inflation is good, and helps the working class more than people love to think.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=snuwoods;39280615]It's still not doing hot.
Plus I'm willing to bet most opponents of Ron Paul's economic views are Krugman adherents. Krugman believes we should be faking alien invasions to stimulate the economy, and print trillion dollar coins to solve the debt crisis. Ron Paul is crazy, but Krugman is somehow right?[/QUOTE]
Krugman's comment about alien invasions was a bloody joke, a joke about the current political climate you dolt. And printing tons of money is called a bailout, something that happened in 2008 to the appraisal of many economists and potentially saved us from a worse recession.
I like Krugman, because at least he understands economics beyond "INFLATION IS THEFT".
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;39280703]Now, I don't know much about currency or the economy, but what exactly would be bad about having multiple, competing currencies; as opposed to the federal government having a monopoly on currency?
Not saying it would be good, just asking.[/QUOTE]
Can't be adjusted to the economy by a central bank, essentially.
[QUOTE=thisispain;39280621]wha[/quote]
Like I said I'm half-joking. The "[I]they[/I] want you to believe" thing is a joke. But I'm serious about labels being used as political weapons to discredit certain people, like Ron Paul. Also Communism was once one such label.
[quote=thisispain;39280621]what does that have to do with anything[/quote]
He's white, when he makes comments on racial justice and race-issues, he's easy to target as a racist.
This problem is inflamed by the fact that he is asked to comment all the time.
[quote=thisispain;39280621]i hate how this video is used just randomly for anything race related[/QUOTE]
I used it in this case to refer to a holiday, which is what the video is referring to.
I don't know how you've seen it used in the past, but I think its relevant ;3;
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zally13;39280640]Martin Luther King Jr. day isn't a day for only black people. It's a day to celebrate one of the greatest Civil Rights leaders in history. It's celebrating [I]him[/I].[/QUOTE]
This is what I want.
This is not what it is.
Tomorrow on the news you will not [I]only[/I] see Martin Luther King giving speeches.
You will see stock footage of black people being hit with fire hoses and chewed apart by dogs.
And you will see white politicians all over the political spectrum giving hate speeches against blacks, for flavor.
On the history channel, you might even see burning crosses and hanging corpses.
Before this day, the black children of the current generation (say 5 or 6 years old, just starting to comprehend television) had never considered that other white children, his friends, could ever, in a million years, single him out because of the color of his skin.
But now he does consider that, because television told him to remember.
And people like you still consider the day necessary, without thinking.
I really don't want to use the cliche "If he were still alive _____" but I'm going to anyway. If MLK were still alive, I think he would gladly give up his holiday if he saw what it was doing to this society by constantly acknowledging the once-existence of something he sought to utterly destroy.
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39281218]
He's white, when he makes comments on racial justice and race-issues, he's easy to target as a racist.
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he's easy to target as racist because a whole bunch of racist shit has his name on it
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39281218]He's white, when he makes comments on racial justice and race-issues, he's easy to target as a racist.[/QUOTE]
yeah, that's why all the white people who say progressive and intelligent things about racial justice and other such issues are immediately thought of as racist pricks regardless of what they said
oh wait
Asides from foreign policy, Ron Paul has nothing going for him. Lots of his economic policies (gold standard) are literally pseudoscience. He is also pretty bat shit insane and possibly racist. He is honest I suppose, but the cult of the personality revolving him is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Cone;39281519]yeah, that's why all the white people who say progressive and intelligent things about racial justice and other such issues are immediately thought of as racist pricks regardless of what they said
oh wait[/QUOTE]
They usually are. Especially if they're old, especially if they're part of the GOP.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39281810]They usually are. Especially if they're old, especially if they're part of the GOP.[/QUOTE]
that's usually because old white guys in the GOP are actually racist in some way or another
Maybe it was because *Gasp* the old white guys in the gop grew up in a period of mass conflict and racism was heavily encouraged and a part of day to day life because of the wars.
Maybe you guys generalize the fuck out of every old white man.
Of all the shit I said, you two pick that one line, not only because it's the only thing you can make people think I'm not right about, but because it is simple to argue against.
What I'm trying to say is: if you want to make your opponent look bad on race issues, make sure he is white and then pick any quote mentioning race, and spin it.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cone;39281519]yeah, that's why all the white people who say progressive and intelligent things about racial justice and other such issues are immediately thought of as racist pricks regardless.[/QUOTE]
If someone is trying to make those progressive and intelligent people look bad then [B]YES THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.[/B]
That's what happened to Ron Paul.
As an added bonus: This is exactly what those racism-finger-pointing people want, for us to argue weather or not RP is a racist instead of listening to his points.
It's literally the egyptian god card of political strategies. If you can make "racist" stick as a label, that politician is out for the season.
Because instead of actually contributing and making his points heard, he has to squirm and dribble countless corrections and apologies to a screaming horde of stupid, angry, naive people of all ethnic backgrounds to save his career.
When RP refused to do that, those very people kept repeating "racist racist racist" on the news and in articles, until you idiots heard it and started saying it too.
That's the beauty of the media, they can make you hate anyone, it's what gets people to watch.
[quote]What I'm trying to say is: if you want to make your opponent look bad on race issues, make sure he is white and then pick any quote mentioning race, and spin it.[/quote]
i dont even have to mention race to make him look bad
ron paul wants to cut the department of education, extend the bush tax cuts, and abolish the income tax; all three of which everyone was like "NO THAT WILL SUCK REALLY HARD".
he thinks that separation of church and state isn't real, and that churches are not only morally superior, but can also spread welfare better
he thinks that massacres happen because people don't have enough guns
he thinks that sexually harassed women should quit their jobs instead of complaining
in the most terrible hypocritical way, ron paul believes the FEDERAL government has a right to tell everyone that marriage is between a man and a woman
ron paul thinks that it's alright for a state to tell women what to do with their own bodies and their own contraception, unless, and mercifully, in the case of an "honest" rape
he wanted to abolish public schools, but has now moderated to only obliterating their funding because he considers public schooling socialist, even though free public schooling is one of the biggest accomplishments of the modern era
he said that climate change isn't really important because [url=http://grist.org/article/paul1/]We’re about to lose our whole country and whole republic![/url]
he believes the civil rights act was an infringement on liberty which is very interesting when you consider the fact that it ended segregation. interesting idea of liberty there
and best of all, he loves the constitution yet wants to amend it so that children born here won't become American citizens if their parents are illegal aliens. hmm i guess it's not that perfect at all then!
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39281218]Like I said I'm half-joking. The "[I]they[/I] want you to believe" thing is a joke. But I'm serious about labels being used as political weapons to discredit certain people, like Ron Paul. Also Communism was once one such label.[/QUOTE]
You're REALLY not making your position clear here if you're going on about "half-joking"
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39270728]And it's a dumb idea. The federal government needs to keeps the states in line, because without that, they'd get right back to doing stupid shit. Like, I feel bad for some of the gay people that I know that live in places like Tennessee.[/QUOTE]
Don't talk about Tennessee like we're all crazy. A lot of the younger folk here are intelligent, rational beings.
[QUOTE=rrunyan;39282332]Of all the shit I said, you two pick that one line, not only because it's the only thing you can make people think I'm not right about, but because it is simple to argue against.
What I'm trying to say is: if you want to make your opponent look bad on race issues, make sure he is white and then pick any quote mentioning race, and spin it.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
If someone is trying to make those progressive and intelligent people look bad then [B]YES THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.[/B]
That's what happened to Ron Paul.
As an added bonus: This is exactly what those racism-finger-pointing people want, for us to argue weather or not RP is a racist instead of listening to his points.
It's literally the egyptian god card of political strategies. If you can make "racist" stick as a label, that politician is out for the season.
Because instead of actually contributing and making his points heard, he has to squirm and dribble countless corrections and apologies to a screaming horde of stupid, angry, naive people of all ethnic backgrounds to save his career.
When RP refused to do that, those very people kept repeating "racist racist racist" on the news and in articles, until you idiots heard it and started saying it too.
That's the beauty of the media, they can make you hate anyone, it's what gets people to watch.[/QUOTE]
You're saying a whole lot of vaguely conspiracy-sounding stuff, as if any criticism of racial prejudice is baseless by default.
With all of this racist stuff and so on, Ron paul apears to be everything that Obama is not. hmm...
But i will try to look past all that stuff and what do i see? One of the few people in congress who is actually trying to protect us from the ones who are enemy to us all.
Enjoy your daily dose of conspiracy!
[QUOTE=thisispain;39282551]i dont even have to mention race to make him look bad
ron paul wants to cut the department of education, extend the bush tax cuts, and abolish the income tax; all three of which everyone was like "NO THAT WILL SUCK REALLY HARD".
he thinks that separation of church and state isn't real, and that churches are not only morally superior, but can also spread welfare better
he thinks that massacres happen because people don't have enough guns
he thinks that sexually harassed women should quit their jobs instead of complaining
in the most terrible hypocritical way, ron paul believes the FEDERAL government has a right to tell everyone that marriage is between a man and a woman
ron paul thinks that it's alright for a state to tell women what to do with their own bodies and their own contraception, unless, and mercifully, in the case of an "honest" rape
he wanted to abolish public schools, but has now moderated to only obliterating their funding because he considers public schooling socialist, even though free public schooling is one of the biggest accomplishments of the modern era
he said that climate change isn't really important because [url=http://grist.org/article/paul1/]We’re about to lose our whole country and whole republic![/url]
he believes the civil rights act was an infringement on liberty which is very interesting when you consider the fact that it ended segregation. interesting idea of liberty there
and best of all, he loves the constitution yet wants to amend it so that children born here won't become American citizens if their parents are illegal aliens. hmm i guess it's not that perfect at all then![/QUOTE]
All of this is true. Though some would say that Ron Paul never said some of those things himself, he should never have taken money from, nor associated himself with the people who have said these things.
American Libertarianism is a combination of everything that is wrong with the United States. The principles of Libertarian thought are not bad (though I disagree with them), but they are corrupt when applied by what are essentially especially conservative Republicans.
[QUOTE=person11;39285778]All of this is true. Though some would say that Ron Paul never said some of those things himself, he should never have taken money from, nor associated himself with the people who have said these things.
American Libertarianism is a combination of everything that is wrong with the United States. The principles of Libertarian thought are not bad (though I disagree with them), but they are corrupt when applied by what are essentially especially conservative Republicans.[/QUOTE]
The concept I think most libertarians miss is that they believe the free market is infallible and, from what I've seen, that the government is inherently tyrannical. They throw the whole "everybody has a right to their property!" thing at you, but apparently if the government owns it it's instantly not property? I would just assume the rules would be applied the same. Yes, you are taxed, but that's because you're living in a country where people decided that would be the law. Move somewhere else! The world cannot fit every single ideology, so compromises must be met.
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