Study: Teens who smoke weed daily are 60% less likely to complete high school than those who never u - Polidicks

Cannabis is 100% safe and non-lethal when used after a certain age, with a certain mindset. Even then, there's 0% chance it will kill you by consumption. The fact that people are still denying it with every fiber of their being, is just stupid. Everywhere you look, the evidence mounts up that CBDs can both stop and reduce growth of tumors, can eliminate the symptoms of MS (seen this in real action, didn't try any), and the seeds contain many essential nutrients. I just don't see how people can be so venomously opposed to this. I know it's not a cure all, but it is a cure many.

"'Pot makes you a loser, pot makes you lazy.' NO! YOU'RE a loser and YOU'RE lazy. If you smoke pot then, you are a pot-smoking lazy loser." - Joe Rogan I feel like if you're lazy, that's on you. Blame it on the chino all you want but it's up to the individual to be motivated to keep their own shit together.

I smoke weed quite a fair bit and I dropped out of sixth form, but that was to join college and now I'm more motivated than ever because I'm studying shit I care about. These studies are correlational. Anybody competent realises that they can form a mental reliance on weed and because people say stoners are bums or whatever, they start to actually believe that. People just gotta be careful with themselves. It's the same reason we don't put caffeine in the water supply. Good things in small amounts.

[QUOTE=Megadave;45960561]It's still eons safer than the legal shit they prescribe kids these days. Like Ritalin, that turns you into a fucking zombie or Codeine.[/QUOTE] Ritalin (Methylphenidate) is usually known for being one of the few ADD/ADHD medications that DON'T turn you into a zombie.

This kind of thing would be avoided if there was proper regulation of marijuana use combined with education. It's not because of weed it's because of the social stigma on talking about drugs openly. Same goes with safe sex. The less you talk openly and with intelligence about a topic the less people know (wow!) and so the more at risk they are to do it wrong.

wow who would have guessed of course smoking weed is going to make you lazy and unmotivated and in large amounts depressed if you wanna smoke weed you gotta make sure you're smart about it and its not going to become a problem, just like alcohol or cigarettes or junk food or just about anything

I can't even believe 40% of daily toker students got though high school. I wouldn't even expect 10% to make it through. If there were students who got drunk daily. What percentage of them would make it? 20%? 1%? +40%?

is this even a surprise to anyone? if you're getting baked every day I think you need to step back and look at yourself. It's like drinking in the middle of the day.

I always thought it was obvious, the weed isn't making people fail, it's just that the type of person who doesn't do well in school also happens to be the type of person who are more likely to have access to and try illegal substances. [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Kardia;45960787]I can't even believe 40% of daily toker students got though high school. I wouldn't even expect 10% to make it through. If there were students who got drunk daily. What percentage of them would make it? 20%? 1%? +40%?[/QUOTE] Weed's effects aren't any where near as impairing as alcohol.

Weed is only dangerous to people who are ok with never getting anything done in the first place.

What about people who only use it moderately?

[QUOTE=squids_eye;45960817]I always thought it was obvious, the weed isn't making people fail, it's just that the type of person who doesn't do well in school also happens to be the type of person who are more likely to have access to and try illegal substances.[/QUOTE] Smoking weed daily may increase a students chance of failure. I think it is likely. There is certainly a correlation. But I think your idea is worth thinking about before concluding how much weed effects academic performance. You're saying here that smoking weed daily doesn't have any negative effect on performance? [QUOTE=squids_eye;45960817]Weed's effects aren't any where near as impairing as alcohol.[/QUOTE] I agree.

[QUOTE=papaya;45960586]in other news, the sky is blue[/QUOTE] it's about weed, not meth

[QUOTE=Kardia;45960955]Smoking weed daily may increase a students chance of failure. I think it is likely. There is certainly a correlation. But I think your idea is worth thinking about before concluding how much weed effects academic performance. You're saying here that smoking weed daily doesn't have any negative effect on performance?[/QUOTE] it depends

[QUOTE=squids_eye;45960817]I always thought it was obvious, the weed isn't making people fail, it's just that the type of person who doesn't do well in school also happens to be the type of person who are more likely to have access to and try illegal substances.[/QUOTE] That's still just conjecture though. The only way to really know is to get some students who don't smoke weed and then monitor them smoking weed and compare their grades before and after. Although good luck trying to arrange that somehow. Sometimes correlation results are intuitive and sometimes they aren't, so for now I don't think we can really find out if the weed impairs students enough to affect their grades, or if the students who smoke weed daily are the type of people who would have low grades anyway.

This just in. [b]Teens who drink alcohol daily are 99% less likely to complete high school than those who never use.[/b]

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;45961005]it depends[/QUOTE] You could say it depends about any question. Question: What's 1 + 1? Answer: Depends. Is it binary or decimal or what? Elaborate mo-fo!

[QUOTE=Kardia;45960955]Smoking weed daily may increase a students chance of failure. I think it is likely. There is certainly a correlation. But I think your idea is worth thinking about before concluding how much weed effects academic performance. You're saying here that smoking weed daily doesn't have any negative effect on performance[/QUOTE] It depends on how you take it in my opinion, you can be a daily smoker and not have it interfere with your life at all. For example, you can go to school, work hard and smoke a joint at home to relax, I don't think that would have much of an effect. However, if you skip lessons or get high during school, it is obviously going to effect you negatively. It depends more on your personality than the actual drug use itself. Every weed user that I know who didn't do well in school was already a slacker before they started.

I used to go to class high in the classes I was struggling with, it actually heightened my interest, sometimes I'd get lost on a high thought train, but it sure helped my grades.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;45961037]you can go to school, work hard and smoke a joint at home to relax, I don't think that would have much of an effect. However, if you skip lessons or get high during school, it is obviously going to effect you negatively.[/QUOTE] Yeah I think that's true. It definitely does depend. Like so many things.

[QUOTE=ief014;45960740]Ritalin (Methylphenidate) is usually known for being one of the few ADD/ADHD medications that DON'T turn you into a zombie.[/QUOTE] Not sure what you mean by that, but Ritalin didn't do shit for my ADHD and I have been on Concerta for years since.

[QUOTE=Kardia;45961027]You could say it depends about any question. Question: What's 1 + 1? Answer: Depends. Is it binary or decimal or what? Elaborate mo-fo![/QUOTE] theres nothing to elaborate on though, it comes down to the person and their situation. ive been on both sides before and its the same for a lot of people. but a well adjusted person can smoke every day and not have it be a problem

[QUOTE=Bathtub;45960529]I don't think this is calling cannabis a gateway drug, I think its just presenting the data.[/QUOTE] the problem with data like this is it's still a bit ambiguous for how directed the claim is. Is it correlation or causation? What if the students who are naturally more likely to drop out of highschool are just the ones who turn to drugs more? Is that due to social issues, problems focusing (ADD, etc), home situations? [i]What if the people seven times more likely to commit suicide are turning to drugs because they're already having some extreme depression issues and are trying to find an escape?[/i] I can't help but get a bad taste in my mouth when this kind of data is put out like "[this] is very likely what causes [that]" without further context. This data is attacking cannabis because it's the hot topic that gets lots of attention, and I can't really blame them for wanting to get a little notoriety for the work they've done. While it could very well be [I]true[/I], it's not looking at secondary problems to fix, just a clear lowest common denominator to blame.

that's like releasing a study that says "drinking every day are very likely to drop out" No shit, if you don't understand moderation then you should not get into it, or drinking, or cigarettes.

[QUOTE=dai;45961087]the problem with data like this is it's still a bit ambiguous for how directed the claim is. Is it correlation or causation? What if the students who are naturally more likely to drop out of highschool are just the ones who turn to drugs more? Is that due to social issues, problems focusing (ADD, etc), home situations? [i]What if the people seven times more likely to commit suicide are turning to drugs because they're already having some extreme depression issues and are trying to find an escape?[/i] I can't help but get a bad taste in my mouth when this kind of data is put out like "[this] is very likely what causes [that]" without further context. This data is attacking cannabis because it's the hot topic that gets lots of attention, and I can't really blame them for wanting to get a little notoriety for the work they've done. While it could very well be [I]true[/I], it's not looking at secondary problems to fix, just a clear lowest common denominator to blame.[/QUOTE] I'd say they do make some concessions in the article: [QUOTE]First, the causality isn't 100 percent clear. The researchers did a fantastic job of trying to account for a number of confounding factors. But particularly when it comes to the educational outcomes, there are a lot of factors at play. For instance, if a teacher knows or even suspects that a certain kid is using drugs, that may predispose the teacher against that student. "Teachers are very likely to stigmatize drug users," says Joseph Palamar, co-author of another recent study comparing teen marijuana and alcohol use. "That stereotype gives kids problems, and that kid's not gonna want to go to class." Palamar also says that because marijuana "is an illegal drug, you have to buy it in an illegal manner, and then you’re exposed to the black market. Marijuana use is affiliating you with other kids, some of whom might be problematic – people more likely to question authority. You become affiliated with things that might have a negative impact on your education." Moreover, Palamar's research shows that because of marijuana's legal status, teen cannabis users are much more likely to get into trouble with the police than teen alcohol users. And in many cases, if you have a drug conviction on your record, you become ineligible for college aid. "If you get caught with drugs, you're not able to go to college," he told me. In other words, many of the problems associated with teen cannabis use are likely a function of the drug's illegal status.[/QUOTE] I haven't read the study itself, but I think you should do that before really criticizing it.

i'm not too sure about the statistics here. i'm assuming the data is taking into account the disadvantaged (poor, minorities, etc.) who just by definition are more prone to do worse in school, and are at greater risk of exposure to drug use. being that weed is something that arguably the stereotypical honors student doesn't smoke, it kind of affects how this whole thing plays out. that's just what i got from it, i didn't look to far into the source so someone let me know if i'm wrong.

well......true.

if the post above mine is true and those concessions were made, then that there seems enough to disregard this. there's too many variables at work here edit: sorry for the double post, i tried to get it to merge

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;45961178]I'd say they do make some concessions in the article: I haven't read the study itself, but I think you should do that before really criticizing it.[/QUOTE] through the op-quoted quips it implies times that it's "likely" [i]the[/i] big influence in these situations, though it does say that heavy use of anything is bad for you. The big problem with writing these things is your opening statements are the most impactful to the audience, backpedaling on implication further into the piece is a cheap way of covering your ass when people call you out for skirting around ambiguity. The weird part is their statement isn't saying the weed/other drugs are [i]themselves[/i] the cause, rather that their "illegal status" is seemingly at the root, which just points at a whole different can of worms. Performing illegal activity = doing bad in school? What does it have to do with cannibis anymore if we're pointing at correlation of illegal activity in general?

weed should be legal but [I]SUPER[/I] illegal for kids [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] then again the weed doesnt cause them to do bad [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] theres usually something else causing them to do bad [I]and[/I] smoke weed [editline]12th September 2014[/editline] make peer pressure illegal