Scarlett Johansson set to star as Motoko Kusanagi in Ghost in the Shell live-action movie
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[QUOTE=Oldaveragejoe;46863235]but the first movie is pinnacle of the franchise[/QUOTE]
With the first movie I had the feeling that I started watching a movie from the middle. I had no real idea what was going on and who everyone was. I had a similar feeling with Akira.
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;46864780]i have no strong feelings one way or the other toward scarlett but her acting ability or w/e doesn't mean much when they're using her to whitewash a japanese property headed by a mediocre director.[/QUOTE]
I really hate it how nobody or the media bat an eye when Hollywood whitewashes any Asian creative property. Drives me up the wall.
[QUOTE=buro;46865416]With the first movie I had the feeling that I started watching a movie from the middle. I had no real idea what was going on and who everyone was. I had a similar feeling with Akira.[/QUOTE]
Probably a result of the source material's story being condensed and shortened in both cases.
Dragonball: Evolution 2.0
Placing bets on Black Batou since we're already white washing other characters.
I don't trust Hollywood with live action animes after Dragon Ball, they think with big checks and don't respect the source material at all.
I'd watch a movie based around the Wars that happened in GiTS.
Why god why, didn't they learn after dragon ball that Americans shouldn't handle Japanese things?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;46865412]Damn political correctness.[/QUOTE]
I blame those libtards always whitewashing shit. What a shame.
[QUOTE=Charades;46865485]Dragonball: Evolution 2.0
Placing bets on Black Batou since we're already white washing other characters.[/QUOTE]
i'd prefer black batou over some white wrestler or some shit
john cena as batou
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;46865720]i'd prefer black batou over some white wrestler or some shit
john cena as batou[/QUOTE]
the only whitewashing I'll accept is a DBZ movie fully cast with WWE superstars
John Cena as Goku, CM Punk as Vegeta, Haitch as Piccolo, I could go on.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46863998]Is that for real? Woah, another reason to like him :v:[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]My favorite anime ever is GHOST IN THE SHELL. Absolutely beautiful. I have to watch that movie once every few months. So inspiring.[/QUOTE]
will have tit in the intro?
American GitS will probably never work solely on the grounds that the US and Japan have completely different attitudes towards technology. It'd be like the Japanese movie industry releasing a Rambo movie.
At best it'll be like Watchmen. A complicated and morally grey story with an official morality stamped onto it so that audiences won't be confused. Most likely something along the lines of "technology bad, humanity good", like what happens whenever Hollywood gets it's hands on a cerebral sci-fi story.
[editline]6th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=axelord157;46864854]I don't think the mainstream movie industry is ready for serious, philosophical movies about transhumanisn. People think cyborgs and all they think is stuff like shiny robots that lust for human blood. These people don't wonder about what it means to be human or more than human, just how dangerous those crazy AIs and chrome people are. Action is a nice compliment in near-future science fiction, but concepts are painfully neglected in favor of vapid tits and guns. I know that this live action rendition of GiTs will suffer from what I described. That makes me unsurprised as getting wet in the rain.[/QUOTE]
This.
You're never going to get Hollywood to okay a script that takes a positive angle on [sp]a woman melding her mind with an AI and transcending the need for a physical body and conventional human thought.[/sp] It's always going to be "in the horrible future there's horrible technology everywhere but luckily our protagonist manages to keep her spunky attitude intact even in the face of kuh-razy robots!"
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46866575]American GitS will probably never work solely on the grounds that the US and Japan have completely different attitudes towards technology. It'd be like the Japanese movie industry releasing a Rambo movie.
At best it'll be like Watchmen. A complicated and morally grey story with an official morality stamped onto it so that audiences won't be confused. Most likely something along the lines of "technology bad, humanity good", like what happens whenever Hollywood gets it's hands on a cerebral sci-fi story.
[editline]6th January 2015[/editline]
This.
You're never going to get Hollywood to okay a script that takes a positive angle on [sp]a woman melding her mind with an AI and transcending the need for a physical body and conventional human thought.[/sp] It's always going to be "in the horrible future there's horrible technology everywhere but luckily our protagonist manages to keep her spunky attitude intact even in the face of kuh-razy robots!"[/QUOTE]
That's not entirely fair. AI, while a flawed movie, definitely had more sympathy for the androids than the humans. Blade Runner is another example.
Movies like Her also show a potential shift in attitude. Several AI-based films are coming out this year, and at least two of them seem to fully humanize their machines. I guess we'll see.
But I don't have faith in Big Hollywood itself for this kind of story yet either.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;46866624]That's not entirely fair. AI, while a flawed movie, definitely had more sympathy for the androids over humans.
Movies like Her also show a potential shift in attitude. Several AI-based movies are coming out this year, and at least two of them seem to fully humanize their machines. I guess we'll see.
But I don't have faith in Big Hollywood itself for this kind of story yet either.[/QUOTE]
In Hollywood movies, when a scientist tries to push the boundaries of science and tampers with humanity itself, he's punished. he makes a plague, or he turns into a monster, or he creates a monster. Because man was not meant to play God. Even Blade Runner follows that mode of thought, though it is still an amazing movie and is incredibly smart about the subjects it examines.
Even in those cases where things turn out well, it's almost always handled in a childish way. Sympathetic robots and AIs tend to just be robotic people. Those aren't stories about technology and the future, they're stories about people and the present with a futuristic aesthetic.
In GitS, technology is alien. It's logical. It's cold and unfeeling. And to transcend humanity means to abandon some of the things we hold sacred. The question the movie asks is, "are these things we hold to be important, truly important?"
And you won't have a Hollywood movie that questions whether our conception of humanity is really all that important or not. Because that's confusing, and scary, and it goes against decades of cultural prejudice.
Big, scary, threatening ideas don't make for good popcorn cinema.
I may get flooded with dumbs for this but I don't really see why people are upset that they're casting a white actress. It's been a while since I've seen the original GitS but I don't remember the Japanese setting being particularly important to the plot.
It makes sense to me that American creators would appeal to the American audience by casting American actors and setting the story in America. No one seemed to care about Japanese Spiderman:
[img]http://cdn.gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/japanese-spider-man.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=axelord157;46864854]I don't think the mainstream movie industry is ready for serious, philosophical movies about transhumanisn.[/QUOTE]
While I believe that this movie will probably amount to total shlock, I have to disagree with you. 2001: A Space Odyssey garnered mainstream success. Star Trek: The Next Generation touched on the subject as well.
[QUOTE=Colliseemoe;46866743]I may get flooded with dumbs for this but I don't really see why people are upset that they're casting a white actress. It's been a while since I've seen the original GitS but I don't remember the Japanese setting being particularly important to the plot.
It makes sense to me that American creators would appeal to the American audience by casting American actors and setting the story in America. No one seemed to care about Japanese Spiderman:
[img]http://cdn.gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/japanese-spider-man.jpg[/img]
While I believe that this movie will probably amount to total shlock, I have to disagree with you. 2001: A Space Odyssey garnered mainstream success. Star Trek: The Next Generation touched on the subject as well.[/QUOTE]
2001 actually had a rather mixed reception on release. The reason it gets near universal praise nowadays is because the type of people who would watch a scifi movie from the 60's are the type of people who like cerebral scifi to begin with. Same with Star Trek. The series was talky and techy because it was catering to a niche. That's why it becomes loud and stupid every time it's made into a movie.
I guess the Japanese setting isn't particularly important if you ignore the character's names, and the locations, and the aesthetic of the entire movie. I don't know, something about erasing a foreign culture and replacing it with more marketable western proxies just feels off to me. I don't think it's an inherently wrong thing to do, but there should be some artistic justification for it.
the original ghost in the shell setting is based on hong kong :v:
[QUOTE=Jammymanrock;46866779]the original ghost in the shell setting is based on hong kong :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't see how the movie itself is less culturally Japanese just because the general architecture is based on Hong Kong.
i don't know, are you even implying anything like that maybe you aren't
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46866768]2001 actually had a rather mixed reception on release. The reason it gets near universal praise nowadays is because the type of people who would watch a scifi movie from the 60's are the type of people who like cerebral scifi to begin with. Same with Star Trek. The series was talky and techy because it was catering to a niche. That's why it becomes loud and stupid every time it's made into a movie.[/QUOTE]
This is a good point but I still feel that a GitS adaptation could be presented as gracefully and intelligently as the source material and still be widely acclaimed and do well at the box office. I didn't expect a movie like Her to double it's budget at the box office.
[QUOTE=Wikipedia]Oshii chose to use the real streets of Hong Kong as his model.[6] He also said that Hong Kong was the perfect subject and theme for the film with its countless signs and the cacophony of sounds[/QUOTE]
Personally, I feel that if a reasonable amount of thought is put into finding an American city that fits this description (New York sound similar) then there really isn't an issue.
eat your hamburgers motoko
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;46863534]Watch it turn into a thick as shit, deep as a puddle, vapid action film which entirely misses everything about what made GiTS great.[/QUOTE]
or, watch it be mind-blowingly fantastic, and open up the general american public to anime. I'm not gonna fucking rate the movie before I see it.
bbuuuutttt I've never seen ghost in the shell anyway so whatever
Well it can't be any worse than the original.
I'd watch it. Sifi cyberpunk transhumanism stuff just really clicks with me. The Nuromancer trilogy really grabbed me. Deus Ex hold a place in my mind. I can't wait to shed my flesh for superior material. though I could come out of it regretting everysecond. I'll wait and see before I make a judgement.
Just going to say, if you haven't watched the original and you consider yourself a fan of cyberpunk/scifi stuff, you're missing out.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBqGC9sVBXY[/media]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46866942]Just going to say, if you haven't watched the original and you consider yourself a fan of cyberpunk/scifi stuff, you're missing out.[/QUOTE]
And I'm just gonna say you're really not.
You know what anime should be adapted for live action? Big O.
I'd fucking kill for more Big O.
Anime is degeneracy. Why are they doing this?
[QUOTE=Jeremie. B;46866977]Anime is degeneracy. Why are they doing this?[/QUOTE]
I hate most anime due to the generic anime script techniques. Pauses with audible gasps, cutsie wootsie shite, and blan character motives and such. But get a good strong fleshed out motive behind it and they can do some good. They better make good of ALL the source material and not rely on Hollywood budget and glamour to pass it by.
Oh and personally by the last 2 posts you made I dislike you. I would totally hack your cyber brain and bust your knee caps.
Anyway, I see all these people not talking about the most important thing.
How badly are they going to rape the tachikomas? An actual tank? Some alien dog robot? Actual robot spiders?
I have a bad feeling the tachikomas are just going to be that in name. That is if they keep the name and not name them something else.
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