Scarlett Johansson set to star as Motoko Kusanagi in Ghost in the Shell live-action movie
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[QUOTE=Jackald;46879297]All I said is that traditionally caucasian features (thin nose, narrow lips) tend to be pretty popular in anime as opposed to traditionally japanese features (wider nose, thicker lips). No need to get bumrustled about it.[/QUOTE]
I've got no problem with your posts but the other guy is going full conspiracy theory on it.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;46877768]I'm not saying that anime style originated from white people. It's much more complicated than that. It did happen more as you described, but AFTERWARDS, people started to equate that already pre-existing notion of big-eyed cuteness with white people because of their rounder eyes. Japanese media corporations picked up on that and saw a way to capitalize on it, and they altered the social landscape to change the standards of beauty to be more Caucasian-inspired, which rippled through Japanese society and changed everything, casting previously normal Asian features, fashion, and even food in a negative light in favor of more "exciting", "modern" Western varieties of these things.
This isn't happening by choice--Western beauty, food, fashion, and even ethical and religious standards are being forced upon the Japanese population by the media.
None of this happened in so many words. It's a slow process with implications mostly subconscious, but the results are crazy. People in Japan (And Korea, which has it even worse than Japan does on this front) even feel pressured get their eyelids "fixed" to become more white-looking for things as simple as improve their chances at getting a job. Anyone who wants to work in media is required to look "fresh" and "exotic" and can't look "plain," so they have to get eyelid surgery. Traditional Japanese clothing, hairstyles, and fashion in general are considered "plain" (This is a word that's used a LOT in Japan about people's appearances and from what I've seen, it mostly describes people not looking white enough.). If you're "plain," you tend to get made fun of until you cave and start complying to "modern" Western fashion trends, which will cost you a lot of money, and that's the media's endgame in all of this.
What's even worse is that in general, this only happens to women. Men are relatively unaffected, and are allowed to look and be and dress as traditionally Japanese as they want. Western beauty standards are forced primarily upon women.
So, in essence, I'm saying the opposite of what you assumed I'm saying: My claim is that the anime art style [I]that was created to look cute and increase the readability of facial expressions[/I] contributed to the creation of a cultural norm of Western supremacy in Japan as just one small part of the massive influx of international trade from the West, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]
Bro idk where you're getting this shit from but Jaanese people ss a whole arent plastic surgery to look more white. Just to let you know I'm currently living in Japan, my wife is Japanese, and all of my closest friends are Japanese and never once have I observed or had my wife or any of my friends talk about this crazy ass she you're talking about. Seriously man, you need to lay off the Anime if that's where you're getting all of your notions of Japanese culture and contemporary Japanese society from.
[editline]7th January 2015[/editline]
Actually I just asked my Wife about what you said and she laughed.
They really should have gone with the gal from pacific rim
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xsW5SjJ.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;46873853]This movie won't be very good and it will only get GITS in name and not in spirit. the movie will not have a complex plot and will most likely take place in the USA ( which would be okay if the theme was still there ) and will be a pointless Sc-fi shooter movie in order to make a quick buck.[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest - the US can make a decent transhumanist setting.
Robocop is a great example. And does actually have some things in common with gits - namely the commercialisation of the soul, the part that makes us us.
Shadowrun is largely based in the US, with Seatle being one of the core hubs of the setting.
Gibson writes a fuckload of his stuff taking place in the US.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;46883484]Let's be honest - the US can make a decent transhumanist setting.
Robocop is a great example. And does actually have some things in common with gits - namely the commercialisation of the soul, the part that makes us us.
Shadowrun is largely based in the US, with Seatle being one of the core hubs of the setting.
Gibson writes a fuckload of his stuff taking place in the US.[/QUOTE]
I fucking love Robocop
[QUOTE=wraithcat;46883484]Let's be honest - the US can make a decent transhumanist setting.
Robocop is a great example. And does actually have some things in common with gits - namely the commercialisation of the soul, the part that makes us us.
[B]Shadowrun is largely based in the US, with Seatle being one of the core hubs of the setting.[/B]
Gibson writes a fuckload of his stuff taking place in the US.[/QUOTE]
Actually there's lore for pretty much every major country, with japans being really fucking racist against metahumans.
[url]http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_JIS[/url]
"JIS security forces herd Filipino metahumans and isolate them in a single area. Many of them are sent to an active volcanic island, Lagu-Lagu. Because of the almost uninhabitable environment, this island is nicknamed "Yomi". " Yomi being the name of the land of the dead.
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Actually I just asked my Wife about what you said and she laughed.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I just asked mine and she kinda tilted her head and gave me that 'wut?' look.
Now don't get me wrong, health and beauty products pretty much make up 90% of the ads on TV. However these ads are not for products to make a person look more western by far, even the models in the commercials look stereotypically Japanese. Seriously, they advertise PIG PLACENTA PILLS to slow aging. I have never seen nor heard of, NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE I KNOW IN THIS COUNTRY heard about surgeries to make Japanese more white.
I'm pretty sure you're confusing Japan with South Korea where this is a HUGE deal.
[url]http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/lifestyle/article/cosmetic-surgery-in-south-korea-west-is-best.html[/url]
[quote] But these are no socialites. Jinju is a small town in the south, about the size of Leicester, and the students are largely working class. In school, eye-widening and double-lid surgery are as common as braces, and for Korean high-schoolers, plastic is the graduation present of choice. Last year alone, 700, 000 cosmetic procedures took place in the Republic. Fifteen percent of women nationwide have undergone surgery; the figure rises to twenty percent in Seoul. Whatever we think of Silicon Valley, the nip-tuck, and the nose-job, when it comes to cosmetics, the US lags behind.
‘We want to be white’
Looking around, it's no surprise. To understand Western influence, you have only to watch the wildly popular Girl's Generation on YouTube. The singers are oddly pale, and it isn't the lights. The K-Pop stars are bleached in post-production.
‘We want to be white,’ says a boy. He and a friend joke, and hold their arms to mine. The comparison is comic, but the point is serious: many Koreans are uncomfortable with their ethnicity.
One example sticks: in class, each student carries a photo-ID. Without exception, the images have been doctored - the skin is milk-white, jaw-lines defined, and, of course, the eyes are widened. The effect is eerie - in the search for a Western ideal, the students look remarkably similar. White on a white background, the class ignores their natural differences in favour of an artificial similarity.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;46880870]They really should have gone with the gal from pacific rim
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xsW5SjJ.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I read a pretty convincing argument that Antje Traue (the woman from Man of Steel) would be an [I]excellent[/I] Major as well. Really when you get down to it there are a variety of tough, visually-compatible women who would actually put some effort into the role.
But no, they cast the woman who can't act to save her life.
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[B]But no, they cast the woman who can't act to save her life.[/B][/QUOTE]
Welcome to mainstream American movies.
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