GM closes 5 car factories, because people keep buying SUVs and Trucks instead - Polidicks

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51555754]Laws and regulations needs to be implemented globally to stop this enormous wasting of resources and creation of waste that "designed to break down in x time" continuously cause.[/QUOTE] Make Mercedes-Benz W123 Great Again.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51555623]This post is a load of shit. Don't listen to it. Many modern vehicles use plastic as it can be lighter and more durable than its metal counter parts. Besides all that, Mazdas are literally one of the most reliable and reputable brands on the market.[/QUOTE]I don't know what BS your dealership sold you on, but Metal is more durable and recyclable than plastic. They use plastic to save money on manufacturing costs. As for "the most reliable", change a gearbox in one and get back to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they 3D printed Mazdas and rated them for 5 years next decade.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51555367]literally the only time that an SUV has ever gone offroad in america is when the soccer mom driving it drives up onto the sidewalk when she's picking up her kids from practice undeniably among the worst vehicles ever created, and with the life expectancy of a fly with polio[/QUOTE]My 1985 F150 begs to differ, says the 320,000 miles it's crossed are nothing to scoff at and more than 99% of cars ever see. Aaand now I've got to put another 40 on it, as it's time to go to work. [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;51555623]This post is a load of shit. Don't listen to it. Many modern vehicles use plastic as it can be lighter and more durable than its metal counter parts. Besides all that, Mazdas are literally one of the most reliable and reputable brands on the market.[/QUOTE] As someone who adores vehicles that are well past their prime: You're full of shit. Plastics are the first things that let go as a vehicle ages. They crack, they dry out, they get brittle as time goes on. Plastics don't last and exemplify the 'built to warranty' disposable mindset the modern carbuyer is plagued by. But would anything else be expected? Not really. Most people keep the same car for scarcely a season past the time they pay it off before they trade it in on the next model. When that happens the warranty is voided. Carmakers know this, they have no incentive to build a vehicle that is going to last and last and last and last and last like they used to do. So you get situations where these things just start falling apart when they reach 10-15 years old, when their predecessors would have just kept right on going. You get the usage of plastic parts where plastic really has no right to be, such as intake manifolds. You get wheel bearings and ball joints that are 'sealed for life' and last maybe two thirds as long as the old school serviceable/greaseable type, fuel lines held on with special snowflake plastic clips that you need a dealer-only tool to remove, etc etc. You get engine bays that are packed by fucking Houdini, where a simple act like changing the alternator requires pulling the entire front clip off, where changing the timing belt requires partially removing the engine from the fucking car. They really aren't built to last anymore. You're not going to see anywhere near as many cars from this era on the roads 20-30 years from now as you will cars from the era prior. It's going to be hilarious when there's this huge empty spot in used cars where it's a rare treat to see something from MY2000-2020 still on the road. I'm already seeing it with half-ton trucks from all three makes, people around here drive older models more than newer ones by ten to one.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51555754]Laws and regulations needs to be implemented globally to stop this enormous wasting of resources and creation of waste that "designed to break down in x time" continuously cause.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, stuff lasting a long time is bad for business. Companies have to sell things else they go broke. For example: making a long lasting high quality refrigerator or lightbulb or similarly important things will put you out of business, because people buy it once and may never have to buy one again.

[QUOTE=Maksie99;51555312]What are so many people doing with pickups and SUVs anyway? Families are smaller, so I have no clue why people with 1.2 children need a SUV in a city. And if you live in a city, and drive to work, no clue why you need a pickup that lows on diesel.[/QUOTE] Because I need to drive a fucking giant car to drive my one kid to school. This mentality pisses me the fuck off, small roads get blocked up more because of giant 4X4s that will never see dirt. [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] Also pisses me off when I'm trying to turn and a big landwhale comes over and blocks all my vision of incoming traffic because I'm in a normal sized car instead of a big 4X4. My dad owns a big Land Rover Defender for camping/4X4ing but he recognises that it's not a comfortable car for city/suburb driving because of how big it is. He has a Saab 95 that does the exact same job in the city/suburbs without being a giant waste of space on the road, a vision blocker, and all while using less fuel. [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] If you want to drive a big 4X4 just to drive a big 4X4, go ahead, but don't try to make up shitty excuses for it by saying 'uuu i need it for carrying groceries' or 'uuuu i need it for my two kids'.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;51555816]I don't know what BS your dealership sold you on, but Metal is more durable and recyclable than plastic. They use plastic to save money on manufacturing costs. As for "the most reliable", change a gearbox in one and get back to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they 3D printed Mazdas and rated them for 5 years next decade.[/QUOTE] Besides your own ass, what is your source for this? Mazda has been rated one of the most reliable brands for years now, based on consumer reports. And the transmission argument, well fun fact, the majority of people don't work on their own cars, so how easy it is doesn't really affect them.

[QUOTE=Amez;51555358]I'm surprised that people are even buying GM vehicles period. They are quite honestly nothing but garbage. The local Chevy dealership near me had an ad posted "Do you have a recalled 2014 Chevy? Trade it in for a new 2015 Chevy!" They themselves know that they are shit.[/QUOTE] Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been driving a 1996 Opel Omega for the past four years, only things that have ever been changed apart from the regular stuff like the wheels, brakepads and oil is the lambda sensor and the front and rear shock absorbers. It's currently rolled 270 000 kilometers and still going strong

Man, I just want a car that can go from A to B without guzzling gas. My car has a catalytic problem, so it's basically fucked.

I wish they still made small SUVs like the s10 blazer, bronco 2 or the older cherokees.

I drive a Chevy colorado truck. I don't think I'll buy a car ever unless it's a sports car for fun. One reason is that buying trucks come with heavy duty parts. Also earlier this month I was rear ended by a girl going 30-40 mph in a Kia soul. Guess who won that battle? Her car was completely totaled while mine was perfectly driveable and my tow hitch did its job. Another reason is that I'm a little bit bigger guy and I have driven Honda civics and I always hit the steering wheel with my knee getting into those things. Better visibility by sitting higher up also. I also don't care about gas mileage personally. If I need gas I'll put gas in it. I get 17 city -23 highway.

There are also a LOT of people (like my mother) who drive things like a Rav4, which is small with great mileage, but also has a larger cargo area than a car. But damn is it a pain in the ASS to get in and out of if you're not a small person. I'm 6'-2" and my head hits the roof when I'm in in no matter how I sit.

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51555318]You wouldn't buy a Mazda3 or a Corolla to haul your family would you? SUVs nowadays are as efficient as ever anyways, just look at the Highlander Hybrid.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't you, though?

trucks and SUVs are wasteful and in most cases unnecessary

Is this the company that complains people don't buy big cars but only makes big cars? Oh and killed a EV car long before anyone else had considered the idea.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51556245]trucks and SUVs are wasteful and in most cases unnecessary[/QUOTE] Well so are cars. Going somewhere yourself? Just use a moped.

[QUOTE=Cmx;51556213]I wish they still made small SUVs like the s10 blazer, bronco 2 or the [B]older cherokees.[/B][/QUOTE] I swear the older cherokees are made of the same crap they built the pyramids and roman buildings from because I see more of those things on the road and on craiglists (running!) than any other jeep ever (minus the patriot maybe, although I may be biased because my family owns one). [QUOTE=Vlevs;51555767]Make Mercedes-Benz W123 Great Again.[/QUOTE] [t]http://showcase.netins.net/web/dondeb/benz-rain.jpg[/t] Reliable, cheap, and quite possibly the only 1980's car with 30mpg+ (240d version anyway).

someone on my street has a hilux or something similar and it's honestly the biggest pain in the ass for everyone else here who isn't a selfish arsehole

[QUOTE=Cmx;51556248]Well so are cars. Going somewhere yourself? Just use a moped.[/QUOTE] that doesn't make much sense I mean yea, trucks/suv's aren't entirely wasteful, but I almost never see actual work trucks/suv's anymore, no dirt or anything on them, and only one person inside.

As has been said a dozen times in a dozen threads, people drive SUVs and trucks because they are almost constantly more useful and comfortable to drive in the United States over small and efficient cars. If you live outside of a congested metro, our world is built for big vehicles, and has been since the 1950's. We have big lanes, wide shoulders, large parking spots. Everything is catered to large vehicles. You have better visibility in a more commanding higher driving position, you can handle inclement weather better in AWD/4X4 SUV's and Trucks. They can haul more goods and people, and sure most never see trail offroading, but most sports cars never see a track the world over so who cares? Both are inefficient as hell. One thing is that, in my area here in Indiana, we can see a lot of deep snow for long periods, and having a 4x4 or AWD with some ground clearance can really help in over a foot of snow. For the most part, if people can afford SUV's and trucks around here, that is what they get, for at least one of their family vehicles. Anyways, what's the problem with people buying SUV's when fuel prices are down? Quite a lot of people who buy new cars buy them with the intention of getting a new vehicle within 4 years, so they take a benefit from the low fuel prices while they exist and reevaluate the situation again when they buy their next vehicle. Even during very high fuel costs like we saw three years ago, it's still cheap to own and operate large vehicles in the US compared to much of Europe. Even if gas prices doubled for the US, it would still be cheaper per gallon than what they are paying in Sweden (and most of Western Europe for that matter) right now during this global oil glut. Unfortunately for the planet and its resources, things like large vehicles are just too cheap and comfortable for people to pass up.

because it's not about the fuel costs, it's about the toll they take on the environment

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51555369]My '99 Montero Sport has been running strong for 8 years already.[/QUOTE] 47% uptime [I]is[/I] pretty impressive for a Mitsubishi

[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;51556253]I swear the older cherokees are made of the same crap they built the pyramids and roman buildings from because I see more of those things on the road and on craiglists (running!) than any other jeep ever (minus the patriot maybe, although I may be biased because my family owns one). [t]http://showcase.netins.net/web/dondeb/benz-rain.jpg[/t] Reliable, cheap, and quite possibly the only 1980's car with 30mpg+ (240d version anyway).[/QUOTE] And also really fantastic looking. Though that might be a bit unpopular. I think it's a very tasteful 80s old school box style. If my mustang died or something that'd probably be what I'd get. Fantastic engine sound too. edit: though you didn't mention that it's a diesel. That somewhat offsets the MPG

[QUOTE=Amez;51555358]I'm surprised that people are even buying GM vehicles period. They are quite honestly nothing but garbage. The local Chevy dealership near me had an ad posted "Do you have a recalled 2014 Chevy? Trade it in for a new 2015 Chevy!" They themselves know that they are shit.[/QUOTE] I've got a Chevy truck, swear there's a fucking recall every 2 days. Funny considering 90s/early-2000s were serious workhorses. That's all you'll see in some rural areas because they can still work pretty damn well

tbh I want to drive one of these huge suvs/trucks at least once. I've only driven 4 cars in the 5 years I've been driving. All hatchbacks/sedans.

[QUOTE=Vlevs;51555767]Make Mercedes-Benz W123 Great Again.[/QUOTE] Agreed, I myself drive a 1984 300D almost every day. Thank god I work at a Mercedes-Benz dealer or else I would have had to go old yeller on that car as soon as shit broke. I get parts for relatively cheap prices.

this article is totally misleading. GM is shutting their plants because people have finally realized that GM's sedan offerings are shitty and you'd be out of your fucking mind to buy a Chevy over a Toyota or a Nissan

America has an epidemic of douche canoes with "lift kits" that just make the truck stand taller without giving any more effective ground clearance, and 4 inch exhaust pipes. Don't even get me started on the cunts that buy a diesel just to make it run like pure shit and ROLL COAL BRAH [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=FFStudios;51556942]this article is totally misleading. GM is shutting their plants because people have finally realized that GM's sedan offerings are shitty and you'd be out of your fucking mind to buy a Chevy over a Toyota or a Nissan[/QUOTE] Also this, only Ford even comes close to competing with the likes of Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Toyota and Hyundai in the sedan market nowadays. GM and Chrysler a shit

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;51556961]America has an epidemic of douche canoes with "lift kits" that just make the truck stand taller without giving any more effective ground clearance, and 4 inch exhaust pipes. Don't even get me started on the cunts that buy a diesel just to make it run like pure shit and ROLL COAL BRAH [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] Also this, only Ford even comes close to competing with the likes of Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Toyota and Hyundai in the sedan market nowadays. GM and Chrysler a shit[/QUOTE] The Cadillacs are apparently pretty decent, but probably not as competitive as they could be.

[QUOTE=FZE;51556463]47% uptime [I]is[/I] pretty impressive for a Mitsubishi[/QUOTE] 8 years since we personally purchased it.

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;51556961]America has an epidemic of douche canoes with "lift kits" that just make the truck stand taller without giving any more effective ground clearance, and 4 inch exhaust pipes. Don't even get me started on the cunts that buy a diesel just to make it run like pure shit and ROLL COAL BRAH[/QUOTE] Cars have always been about status. A LOT of people riding around in pick-up trucks really don't need them for their "job". You can get an SUV to haul your shit in and you will save a lot more money than paying off a truck, and paying for all the gas it guzzles.