• Japanese netizens support foreign comic after one Japanese man’s discriminatory remark
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[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;48536931]So you're pretty much fucked if you're a tourist?[/QUOTE] No, I think that these people are a minority. There are millions of tourists in SK and Seoul and they have a great time. But some places don't want to cater to a tourist crowd (White, Chinese, Japanese, or any other kind) [editline]25th August 2015[/editline] also the blackface thing happens in Korea too [url]http://iamkoream.com/korean-comedians-wear-blackface-again-will-they-ever-stop/[/url] Though we shouldn't just pick on east asia for what we perceive as horribly racist charicatures. There's an australian commercial [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqMGlqYHPg[/media] that shows what americans consider to be a racist stereotype. This stereotype, however, doesn't exist in australia so it wasn't meant to be offensive. Most would be willing to defend this ad but are quick to judge Japan and South Korea for what we see as racism. I think we ought to examine the culture of the country in question before jumping to any conclusion about whether or not it's xenophobic or racist. It's easy for us to see japan and korea from the lens of americans but not from the lens of Koreans or Japanese.
I think you guys are jumping to conclusions here. I'm not justifying the actions in any way or form, but I think that what happened was that the guys at the market have gotten just too many rude people, regardless of nationality, interrupting their business. In fact, I don't think it's just tourists/foreigners - They just don't want anybody other than those actually doing business with them in there. Most of the time, normal Japanese people don't go in there unless they're doing business with the people in there. In this case, it's the wording of the guy at the market that made this seem bad.
[QUOTE=daigennki;48540527]I think you guys are jumping to conclusions here. I'm not justifying the actions in any way or form, but I think that what happened was that the guys at the market have gotten just too many rude people, regardless of nationality, interrupting their business. In fact, I don't think it's just tourists/foreigners - They just don't want anybody other than those actually doing business with them in there. Most of the time, normal Japanese people don't go in there unless they're doing business with the people in there. In this case, it's the wording of the guy at the market that made this seem bad.[/QUOTE] nigga it's the tsukiji fish market pretty much anyone there past 6AM is tourists [editline]25th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=download;48536290]It would be nice to see. I have wondered if the younger Internet generation shares the older's xenophobia.[/QUOTE] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/8q6r.png[/img]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48539545][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqMGlqYHPg[/media] [/QUOTE] I don't get it Fried chicken is pretty :ok:
[QUOTE=Scratch.;48541564]I don't get it Fried chicken is pretty :ok:[/QUOTE] In america it's a stereotype that black people like fried chicken
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48539545]No, I think that these people are a minority. There are millions of tourists in SK and Seoul and they have a great time. But some places don't want to cater to a tourist crowd (White, Chinese, Japanese, or any other kind) [editline]25th August 2015[/editline] also the blackface thing happens in Korea too [url]http://iamkoream.com/korean-comedians-wear-blackface-again-will-they-ever-stop/[/url] Though we shouldn't just pick on east asia for what we perceive as horribly racist charicatures. There's an australian commercial [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqMGlqYHPg[/media] that shows what americans consider to be a racist stereotype. This stereotype, however, doesn't exist in australia so it wasn't meant to be offensive. Most would be willing to defend this ad but are quick to judge Japan and South Korea for what we see as racism. I think we ought to examine the culture of the country in question before jumping to any conclusion about whether or not it's xenophobic or racist. It's easy for us to see japan and korea from the lens of americans but not from the lens of Koreans or Japanese.[/QUOTE] Well of course we are going to examine it from our lens. I mean, by that logic you could justify the horrible oppression most women face in the Middle East by just saying "it's their culture". The whole point is that we view it from and American perspective and we believe that perspective is better or more fair. Ultimately, things like morality are human constructs that are entirely subjective. So in short, this seems really xenophobic to me and I acknowledge that many Japanese do not feel this way about foreigners (I mean, you can't generalize a whole culture of people as there will always be exceptions) but on the whole you cannot deny that their culture can be xenophobic simply because Japan is a homogeneous country where they aren't exposed to different nationalities and cultures very often. America, however, is incredibly diverse and I have met people from all 7 continents here. What I am trying to say is that while I do believe it is wrong from my perspective, I am not blaming them and I understand why they have that viewpoint.
[QUOTE=TomoAlien;48536558]I've heard many stories of Japan's bigotry. It only makes my inability to understand the obsession with Japan some people have much bigger. I don't know how it is for real, but when you need to coin a term for death from overwork and the fact that people who suffer from severe depression are treated like a complete sideshow... You gotta say you got problems. I wonder if the xenophobia in Japan is as bad or worse than it is in Poland?[/QUOTE] The xenophobia in Japan is not really better or worse than in most western nations, really. The elder population has a lot of xenophobes and most of the young population is pretty accepting, just like everywhere else. Part of the problem is that people take certain anecdotes and greentext stories that may or may not be true way too seriously. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=fishyfish777;48541223][img]http://imgkk.com/i/8q6r.png[/img][/QUOTE] It's like mirrored 4chan
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48542192]In america it's a stereotype that black people like fried chicken[/QUOTE] Who doesn't like fried chicken? That's like having a stereotype that Swedish people like drinking water.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;48541223][img]http://imgkk.com/i/8q6r.png[/img][/QUOTE] Yeah I wouldn't take *chan posts as the general outlook of the Japanese internet generation, especially when completely isolated from context.
[video=youtube;pEcDfLXz9Bo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEcDfLXz9Bo[/video] Of course, even this video is only an anecdote. And as such, if someone counters it with some anecdotal example of the opposite, people will remember the latter better because it's more scandalous.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;48541223][img]http://imgkk.com/i/8q6r.png[/img][/QUOTE] This from 2ch... in 2012. Not sure what point you're trying to prove
[QUOTE=Random Access;48542527]Who doesn't like fried chicken? That's like having a stereotype that Swedish people like drinking water.[/QUOTE] It's the same with watermelon. Black people aren't allowed to be depicted eating fried chicken or watermelon or it's racist.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48542486]The xenophobia in Japan is not really better or worse than in most western nations, really. The elder population has a lot of xenophobes and most of the young population is pretty accepting.[/QUOTE] From what I understand most of the racism in Japan is aimed at Chinese, [B]Koreans[/B], Filipinos and Malaysians.
That skit is hilarious, I don't know any Japanese but I can relate because Chinese characters are the same. Although... 大 and 犬 are the same in meaning, but in Chinese 太 doesn't really mean fat, it means "too" or "excessively". 太大 too big.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;48541564]I don't get it Fried chicken is pretty :ok:[/QUOTE] Racial stereotypes that America has but we don't plus a dash of ignorance of the context. The crowd depicted are supporters of the West Indies cricket team, the ad's about a fan of one sporting team making peace with fans of another sporting team through food. But to an American audience that doesn't know about international cricket leagues, it just looks like a white guy placating a group of black guys using fried chicken, a food commonly associated with negative stereotypes of African-Americans.
[QUOTE=BOXHOUND;48538078]Here's the guy's skit with subtitles. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-Gn3w2gt0[/media][/QUOTE] I actually found that to be one of the funnier things I have ever seen on Japanese TV. You have to realize that most of Japanese TV is basically adults being cute and making dumb faces/noises.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;48541223]nigga it's the tsukiji fish market pretty much anyone there past 6AM is tourists[/QUOTE] emphasis on "too many rude people" They've gotten a lot of people in there, mostly foreign tourists, with bad manners, doing things like touching things they shouldn't be touching. They can't risk that with this kind of business.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48536278]Nice to see the newer Japanese generations seem to be a bit more warm and welcoming towards foreigners.[/QUOTE] That's not really the impression I am getting. [I]"At first I was irritated, but after mulling it over for a while, I began to think maybe they get a lot of foreign tourists who interfere with business and cause them a lot of trouble day after day.”[/I] The cynical side of me thinks that the reason this has been viewed so positively is because it is excusing the xenophobic behavior with justifications about why it's actually appropriate. It's like when Conservative Facebook groups share Youtube videos of black people talking about how black people need to "just stop acting like thugs" in order to justify their own prejudices. Like, [I]"See! Even other black people agree that most black people are thugs and criminals!"[/I] In this case, it's [I]"See! Even other foreigners agree that most foreigners are rude and disruptive!"[/I]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48542751]From what I understand most of the racism in Japan is aimed at Chinese, [B]Koreans[/B], Filipinos and Malaysians.[/QUOTE] Watching Japanese and Korean nerds be angry at each other is a pastime of mine, it seems that the main thing is that each asian countries racists call all the other asian countries subhumans
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