Uganda's Parliament has vowed to pass the "Kill the Gays" bill as a 'Christmas Present' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Period;38440243]im literally crying[/QUOTE] FP is gay for gay marriage. [QUOTE=Leg of Doom;38440826][img]http://imgur.com/cWDb3.jpg[/img] uganda[/QUOTE] holy shit its [thumb]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090720120715/left4dead/images/d/d9/Louis_-).jpg[/thumb] I'd let him drill my bum

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38440887]erm america has natives too you know ...[/quote] Yeah, I thought I worded that poorly. I meant the and majority of the citizens of the United States government were either immigrants from Europe or their descendants. [quote]you're using the plight of africans to score political points. you don't give a shit about them, you just want to follow whatever ideology is fashionable, and the one right now (and has been for the past few decades) is anti-colonialism.[/quote] Oh I didn't realize you could analyze the entirety of my political views and the justification thereof from a post on a forum. You have some pretty great mindreading powers there buddy. [quote]no I don't support a fully unified Earth with one central government. I don't even support democracy. I support a stable, effective government that provides for people's safety and defends their property rights.[/QUOTE] Right. Again, poor wording. There I meant we agree on the notion that some places would be better off if there was a more formalized power keeping shit together.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;38440974]Yeah, I thought I worded that poorly. I meant the and majority of the citizens of the United States government were either immigrants from Europe or their descendants.[/quote] well yes doesn't this kind of indicate that european culture is simply superior with regard to government? [quote]Oh I didn't realize you could analyze the entirety of my political views and the justification thereof from a post on a forum. You have some pretty great mindreading powers there buddy.[/quote] well I don't really see how people can justify anti-colonialism given that it is an ongoing humanitarian disaster so the only plausible motive I can ascribe is to signal that you aren't a racist old conservative. [quote]Right. Again, poor wording. There I meant we agree on the notion that some places would be better off if there was a more formalized power keeping shit together.[/QUOTE] yes

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38441032]well yes doesn't this kind of indicate that european culture is simply superior with regard to government?[/quote] I think Europe just kinda got lucky with formalized central governments, Rome especially. They started a tradition of centralization that caught on quite well. Asia had China, and North Africa had the Islamic Empire to a degree. I wouldn't call it "simply superior", but yes, they did have an advantage. The way they used that advantage though, is what I do not agree with. [quote]well I don't really see how people can justify anti-colonialism given that it is an ongoing humanitarian disaster so the only plausible motive I can ascribe is to signal that you aren't a racist old conservative.[/quote] Well that's certainly a large jump. To a degree, my hope of a unified Earth is similar to imperialism, but less direct and with a much larger right to self-determination (Not the right term I think, but whatever). To suggest I only discuss the events in Africa to ensure my political affiliations are not misinterpreted, or because I'm only doing it because others are, is asinine though.

is this the thread where we all share what we believe in i believe in conservademocrasociallibertarianauthoritarianism

[QUOTE=Bobie;38441278]is this the thread where we all share what we believe in i believe in conservademocrasociallibertarianauthoritarianism[/QUOTE] I don't really know what this is anymore.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;38441246]I think Europe just kinda got lucky with formalized central governments, Rome especially. They started a tradition of centralization that caught on quite well. Asia had China, and North Africa had the Islamic Empire to a degree. I wouldn't call it "simply superior", but yes, they did have an advantage.[/QUOTE] If it turns out that centralization works, and is successful to the point that multiple countries adopt centralizing policies (and continue to do so), would that not imply that it is superior to the alternative?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38441342]If it turns out that centralization works, and is successful to the point that multiple countries adopt centralizing policies (and continue to do so), would that not imply that it is superior to the alternative?[/QUOTE] Sorry when did I say the alternative to total centralization is better? Actually, I said the opposite. Multiple times.

Send in the SEALs.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;38441246]I think Europe just kinda got lucky with formalized central governments, Rome especially. They started a tradition of centralization that caught on quite well. Asia had China, and North Africa had the Islamic Empire to a degree. I wouldn't call it "simply superior", but yes, they did have an advantage. The way they used that advantage though, is what I do not agree with.[/quote] I agree with you, Europe and Asia were probably simply lucky, be it through environmental factors or chance concatenation of events. However I don't really care much how they acquired the advantage; if the government type they chanced upon happened to be superior then that's all there is to it. Other governments ignore it at their peril. As for the way they used the advantage, I think it looks worse in hindsight than it actually was. [quote]Well that's certainly a large jump. To a degree, my hope of a unified Earth is similar to imperialism, but less direct and with a much larger right to self-determination (Not the right term I think, but whatever). To suggest I only discuss the events in Africa to ensure my political affiliations are not misinterpreted, or because I'm only doing it because others are, is asinine though.[/QUOTE] You're right to be cautious around the loaded phrase "self-determination". What do you actually mean by it? (also sorry about misinterpreting you)

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38441641]I agree with you, Europe and Asia were probably simply lucky, be it through environmental factors or chance concatenation of events. However I don't really care much how they acquired the advantage; if the government type they chanced upon happened to be superior then that's all there is to it. Other governments ignore it at their peril.[/quote] Yes, if a system is ultimately superior then it should be used, I suppose. How you exactly determine a level of superiority is problematic, as each type of regime, except batshit crazy stuff like theocracies or total anarchy, has it's own advantages and disadvantages. The main problem is, you can not force something on a culture, especially one as dissimilar to Europe as African culture, without massive backlash. It has to be a very gradual process, and consideration must be made to how how that culture would react to a certain part of a system. The way the European powers handled the colonization of Africa, or even the way the West handles places like Iraq today, is not very good. Representative democracy with universal suffrage, for example, works well in the West because we have refined it over the centuries and will continue to refine it. The concept is foreign (Not entirely obviously, just the specific handling of it) to places like Iraq, which incidentally was also carved out randomly by colonial powers. When you institute a regime in a new area, you can not expect it to work quickly, or even the same way as in another place. It has to be tweaked and refined to each different cultures problems. [quote]You're right to be cautious around the loaded phrase "self-determination". What do you actually mean by it? (also sorry about misinterpreting you)[/QUOTE] I meant a reasonable level of autonomy so they can address specific cultural issues without interfering with the cultural issues of everyone else in the union. Obviously there would be limits to such autonomy, say they all had to be in line with a single declaration of rights, but it could be slightly adjusted depending on societal problems.

best present ever ;)

If this bill seriously get's passed, someone needs to seriously intervene...

What a bunch of cunts.

Y'know,Ukraine hates gays therefore probably supports this. If Ukraine supports something then Russia joins the bandwagoon,then China. Therefore someone will be pissed off if there is a intervention.

[QUOTE=J!NX;38439018]rofl such obvious human rights abuses out the ass [video=youtube;u62OtM_vt5k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u62OtM_vt5k[/video] [sp]this video shows how fucked up the antigay side is[/sp][/QUOTE] That video was really fucking powerful

Can't feed their people for Christmas or end poverty, nope. They gotta kill the gays.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38441278]is this the thread where we all share what we believe in i believe in conservademocrasociallibertarianauthoritarianism[/QUOTE] Yeah, well I believe in libertarosocioauthoritarioconservademoracy! And I think conservademocrasociallibertarianauthoritarianists are horrible and should die.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38447461]That video was really fucking powerful[/QUOTE] its amusing to how easy it is to point out how [U]sick [/U]and [I]ignorant [/I]radical antigay people are. Within months we're going to see more progress and within years these people will be the ones being bullied. Within a decade we'll see the same level of progress that Martin Luther King had with blacks. If not more. [QUOTE=King Tiger;38447968]Can't feed their people for Christmas or end poverty, nope. They gotta kill the gays.[/QUOTE] They'd feed the "subhuman" gays to their kids but they probably think the gays would give them HIV Dumbwits.

[QUOTE=J!NX;38439018]rofl such obvious human rights abuses out the ass [video=youtube;u62OtM_vt5k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u62OtM_vt5k[/video] [sp]this video shows how fucked up the antigay side is[/sp][/QUOTE] Videos like this don't even make me cry anymore. They just make me really mad, and then make me wish I would cry instead.

I'm kind of beyond the point of anything other than thinking that the situation in Uganda is hilarious. It's grown men acting like pre-schoolers. Especially that eat da poopoo video. It's just so bizarre seeing adults sitting there, 100% serious, and listening to what that retard pastor says.

Lewie spence is all like Uganda be kidding me.

I wonder how long it will take before the UN declares a genocide emergency

[QUOTE=jordguitar;38462184]I wonder how long it will take before the UN declares a genocide emergency[/QUOTE] And fails to prevent it like they always fucking do.

[quote]convicted homosexuals[/quote] why

[QUOTE=J!NX;38457544] They'd feed the "subhuman" gays to their kids but they probably think the gays would give them HIV Dumbwits.[/QUOTE] Wait, you mean they wouldn't?

Uganda should blow itself up. Then all the guys would be dead.

I hope that action is taken against this; fuck sending British troops into Syria, we need them sent to Uganda for great justice and possibly less dying. There's still more potential dying than not sending the troops into warzones, but if we have to send troops somewhere we should send them to smack around bigots, rather than deal with a place that's likely more dangerous.

[QUOTE=ironman17;38463721]I hope that action is taken against this; fuck sending British troops into Syria, we need them sent to Uganda for great justice and possibly less dying. There's still more potential dying than not sending the troops into warzones, but if we have to send troops somewhere we should send them to smack around bigots, rather than deal with a place that's likely more dangerous.[/QUOTE] there's a civil war in uganda I'm p. sure that place is quite dangerous also diseases

Is it as dangerous as Syria, though? I'd probably need an accurate danger chart that compares the danger levels and "flavours" before I can continue on this tangent.