• Volkswagen cheated EPA requirements, massive recall underway, VW stock plummeting
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VW's do have fantastic seatwarmers, I gotta admit. But that's about it
[QUOTE=Levelog;48720210]Pfft, what are you talking about? We don't use salt here in Cleveland, too expensive.[/QUOTE] Ya that was a bit of a corrupt fuckup, when Cleveland has an actual salt mine under it they decided to buy it from somewhere else instead. Vws are a bit of a tradeoff, if nothing major goes, they last forever, but parts for them are expensive and every used VW has a ruined interior because vw uses shit plastic and cheap cloth My aunt has an early 2000s Passat wagon and outside of having all the hoses replaced and having new CV joints, the thing is pretty solid and she's got 150k+ miles on it Now when she got the hoses replaced it cost a fortune because she had to use vw parts, I've replaced all the hoses on a US car before and it didnt cost half as much
[QUOTE=deggemannen;48718581]How big is the natural gas cars industry in USA? It's really blooming here in Sweden. We've even started getting some hydrogen fuelled cars[/QUOTE] Non-existent I'm pretty sure. When it comes to hydrogen the most people know is that Toyota likes experimenting with it. According to google the entire nation has 250k.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48725225]Ya that was a bit of a corrupt fuckup, when Cleveland has an actual salt mine under it they decided to buy it from somewhere else instead. Vws are a bit of a tradeoff, if nothing major goes, they last forever, but parts for them are expensive and every used VW has a ruined interior because vw uses shit plastic and cheap cloth My aunt has an early 2000s Passat wagon and outside of having all the boxes replaced and having new CV joints, the thing is pretty solid and she's got 150k+ miles on it Now when she got the hoses replaced it cost a fortune because she had to use vw parts, I've replaced all the hoses on a US car before and it didnt cost half as much[/QUOTE] One winter when I lived in Hudson when there was a salt shortage and they decided that they were unwilling to use anything that wasn't pure salt. So they just salted the biggest roads and left the rest to ice. All our VW parts have been dirt cheap, but we had a guy who specifically only repaired pre 1980 VW's and had loads of junkers to use parts from. [editline]20th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;48725337]Non-existent I'm pretty sure. When it comes to hydrogen the most people know is that Toyota likes experimenting with it. According to google the entire nation has 250k.[/QUOTE] Yeah I've seen them more in the south, but there aren't many in general.
The stock is down 20%
We have a shit ton of diesels in the UK. The restrictions stateside must be fairly stringent, in the UK we have MOT's after a vehicle is 3 years old, part of this test is emission's and it's very rare for vehicles to fail on the emission tests. Diesel's have come on leaps and bounds over the years, my SAAB does 54mpg on average (150 bhp and 0-60 in just over 8 secs) and there is parity between petrol and diesel fuel prices too so great value.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;48731752]The stock is down 20%[/QUOTE] ya and people are complaining that GM got off easy and compare this to that, i actually had an ion, and the danger was really really overblown, you had to be literally speeding into a wall and have a 20lb weight on your key ring to actually flip the ignition and loose control. i once flipped the ignition with my leg on a stretch of highway and the car was still controllable, and the handbrake still could have been used. the car itself was pretty safe too, i got broadsided by a ford escape at 60mph and i walked away from it. this was a blatant disregard and attempt to circumvent regulations where as GMs recall was at its core, a substituted part that lead to a recall [editline]21st September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=karlosfandango;48731840]We have a shit ton of diesels in the UK. The restrictions stateside must be fairly stringent, in the UK we have MOT's after a vehicle is 3 years old, part of this test is emission's and it's very rare for vehicles to fail on the emission tests. Diesel's have come on leaps and bounds over the years, my SAAB does 54mpg on average and there is parity between petrol and diesel fuel prices too so great value.[/QUOTE] they don't fail the tests because the emissions controls come on when they do actually have a diagnostic system plugged in
[QUOTE=Sableye;48731843]ya and people are complaining that GM got off easy, i actually had an ion and the danger was really really overblown, you had to be literally speeding into a wall and have a 20lb weight on your key ring to actually flip the ignition and loose control. i once flipped the ignition with my leg on a stretch of highway and the car was still controllable, and the handbrake still could have been used. [editline]21st September 2015[/editline] they don't fail the tests because the emissions controls come on when they do actually have a diagnostic system plugged in[/QUOTE] No, I don't think these emission controls have been used in the UK, only lately used and in the US but I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;48731882]No, I don't think these emission controls have been used in the UK, only lately used and in the US but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] it could be, the news is saying that other governments are now starting their own investigations, this could be the end of volkswagon if they suddenly had multibillions in fines in every country they operated in at least the good news is that the software can probably be patched around, so the actual cost of recall will be labor and advertisement, but still its insane that a company that's so large would try to do something like this. also id like to point out, GM makes a diesel powered cruise that meets EPA requirements and drives similarly to the VWs that cheated requirements [editline]21st September 2015[/editline] from a car and driver article a few years ago [quote]With interest in diesel cars growing due to rising fuel-economy awareness, GM has stuffed the 2014 Cruze compact with a 2.0-liter diesel from its Opel parts bin, added a urea-injection system to meet U.S. emissions regulations, and plopped it down right across from Volkswagen’s banana stand. Its 151 horsepower beats the VW’s by 11, and its 280 pound-feet of torque beats VW’s count by 44. In the minus column are the Chevrolet’s extra 232 pounds, due in part to the urea exhaust-treatment equipment, which the Jetta lacks (it’s clean enough to meet our emissions standards without it). Chevy hangs a higher price tag on the Cruze but throws in more standard gear, including an automatic transmission. [/quote] basically they didn't want to use a urea injection system so they fudged the emissions controls to make it seem like it didn't need one
Rumors have it that the US offices knew this long ago and this is the retaliation for VW building the new factory in Kaluga, Russia instead of the US.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48731990]Rumors have it that the US offices knew this long ago and this is the retaliation for VW building the new factory in Kaluga, Russia instead of the US.[/QUOTE] If this is the retaliation that the EPA does, I want to see more of it.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48732164]If this is the retaliation that the EPA does, I want to see more of it.[/QUOTE] But VW could then pull out of Russia and then Russia pull out of Syria and before we know it we're all driving Lada's.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48731990]Rumors have it that the US offices knew this long ago and this is the retaliation for VW building the new factory in Kaluga, Russia instead of the US.[/QUOTE] I doubt it though, and even if it was true, VW was still breaking the regulations. People like to see grand conspiracies but honestly ocams razor means that someone authorized this to fudge the numbers and meet regulations, and then sent it all off
[QUOTE=proch;48717205]You guys are seriously overdoing it with that VW hate, especially you not-american people, are you just looking for a reason to hate on something or what :v: [sp]vw is one of the best car makes[/sp][/QUOTE] VW used to be really good. REALLY good. But something changed in the last 20-25 years that made them some of the most unreliable cars around.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48732876]VW used to be really good. REALLY good. But something changed in the last 20-25 years that made them some of the most unreliable cars around.[/QUOTE] I'd believe it. Currently where I work we've had to take the same 4 VW's back to the dealer for the same problems. Two being a golf, one had the coolant sensor replaced 3 times over the course of a month and the other was in for a problem with the engine randomly cutting off. We towed a bug back to the dealer because of the key being stuck in the ignition and the other bug had an issue with not starting. Key would make it half way to start, stop and you'd have to play with the steering wheel to eventually get the lock to disengage for it to run.
[QUOTE=Medevila;48732101]hurr[/QUOTE] Except that the EPA diesel regulations between a truck and a passenger car are so different that it's extremely hard to build and certify a diesel motor for a passenger car or even a small pickup in the US. Modern(anything post EPA) passenger cars pollute so little anyways and that commercial/industrial emissions absolutely dwarfs passenger vehicles to the point that it wouldn't even matter if all vehicle emissions were completely banned. My problem is that pushing stricter and stricter emissions standards at this point really only does one thing which is punish the individual consumer where they can actually see it and vilify the often first or second most expensive object they will ever buy. By doing this you can actually get a consumer to blindly hate the thing they bought and even buy a newer one because they feel good about it. After that you can even look like they're actually doing something while cutting deals to the last of the companies still around. I mean you can't actually think that the CARB in California single handedly cleaned up the smog by passing vehicle emissions? Right when everything started to pack up and head to China and other countries which welcomed them instead of telling them they weren't allowed to do what made them money? I never said US emissions standards are too high in general either, the diesel standards are a total joke. The EPA isn't even really the big issue either now. CAFE standards are going to make stuff really interesting in the next 10 years and car makers are going to do some really stupid and hilarious stuff to meet them because they aren't even that high yet.
Its come out this morning that there are apparently 11 million vehicles with this "defeat device" around the world. The affected vehicles have the Type EA 189 engine. [url]http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/22/vw-scandal-escalates-volkswagen-11m-vehicles-involved[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34325005[/url] Germany, France and now also Britain are pushing for a EU wide probe into this and possibly other like vehicles. South Korea and Australia are also starting investigations into this.
[QUOTE=deggemannen;48718581]How big is the natural gas cars industry in USA? It's really blooming here in Sweden. We've even started getting some hydrogen fuelled cars[/QUOTE] Essentially non-existent outside of commercial vehicles. It's fairly popular for city buses.
So I don't suppose we will be seeing a VW/Audi formula 1 team next season then.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;48738235]So I don't suppose we will be seeing a VW/Audi formula 1 team next season then.[/QUOTE] You weren't going to any way, the earlier they were going to come was 2018
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