So the CEO of Reddit admitted to editing negative comments about him
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[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51420916]Okay? I figured as much, but it's not really relevant to my point. I was generalizing.[/QUOTE]
I was backing up your point, actually. If anyone could edit posts without a trace, it would be the guy who coded the site to begin with.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51420952]Yea that ship has sailed, sorry.
If people can be arrested for mean tweets and politicians campaigns can be waged through it then yea... no
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reddit isn't twitter
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51421069]reddit isn't twitter[/QUOTE]
No, its even bigger and more encompassing then twitter...
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51421069]reddit isn't twitter[/QUOTE]
No of course not, but the scale of the site and its influence is almost as large.
[QUOTE=N.A.N.B;51421064]jesus fuckin christ it's literally just words to a post why is this a big deal why does this have four fuckin pages about how it's a slippery slope or other such complete nonsense
I mean, like, christ. Moot fucked with /pol/ for, like, a week with just nothing but mass shitposting and auto-editing words like cuck. This all happened a year ago, too.
This has already been established as a thing that happens. What's the big difference now?[/QUOTE]
Because 4chan isn't tied to your real identity in any way. It's nearly impossible to get doxxed on 4chan unless you almost try to make it happen. But what you say on reddit can be traced back to you. This is even more important when you consider the public and influential figures that use the site. Since HybridTheory didn't want to answer my question, I'll give it to you. How do we know the answers from the Donald Trump or Obama AMAs haven't been modified to suit Spez's agenda? How can we trust that other influential figures haven't had their posts modified to further a hidden agenda?
Or are you going to say "lololol its just words on a screen" and avoid the question with some intellectually lazy response, like HybridTheory?
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51421090]No, its even bigger and more encompassing then twitter...[/QUOTE]
Bollocks.
Reddit has an Alexa rank of 27 as opposed to Twitter's 9, Reddit has 78 employees compared to Twitter's almost 4000. Reddit has a niche at best non-English community (the outlier being Sweden) whereas Twitter is global.
Even if the Twitter admins wanted to, they couldn't influence it as much as they'd like. They are a publicly traded company worth literally billions whereas Reddit is private and is pretty much supported only by ads and reddit gold.
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[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421110]Because 4chan isn't tied to your real identity in any way. It's nearly impossible to get doxxed on 4chan unless you almost try to make it happen. [B]But what you say on reddit can be traced back to you.[/B] [/QUOTE]
How?
The only thing Reddit requires for you to be able to post is a registration. It doesn't even publicly show your country of origin like FP and some boards on 4chan do.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421110]How do we know the answers from the Donald Trump or Obama AMAs haven't been modified to suit Spez's agenda? How can we trust that other influential figures haven't had their posts modified to further a hidden agenda? [/QUOTE]
I think AMAing people like Obama and Trump would know if their answers are being modified, especially if it paints them in a more negative way and if the answers make the news, since some people just dictate answers to a person who then posts on reddit. Possible, but not very much so.
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Then again it's 2016 so who knows.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;51421112]Bollocks.
Reddit has an Alexa rank of 27 as opposed to Twitter's 9, Reddit has 78 employees compared to Twitter's almost 4000. Reddit has a niche at best non-English community (the outlier being Sweden) whereas Twitter is global.
Even if the Twitter admins wanted to, they couldn't influence it as much as they'd like. They are a publicly traded company worth literally billions whereas Reddit is private and is pretty much supported only by ads and reddit gold.
[editline]25th November 2016[/editline]
How?
The only thing Reddit requires for you to be able to post is a registration. It doesn't even publicly show your country of origin like FP and some boards on 4chan do.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about influence, sorry... reddit has more influence then twitter as a media platform. Or at least thats my opinion.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51421217]I was talking about influence, sorry... reddit has more influence then twitter as a media platform. Or at least thats my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Define 'influence'
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How?
The only thing Reddit requires for you to be able to post is a registration. It doesn't even publicly show your country of origin like FP and some boards on 4chan do.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people re-use usernames. That allows people to go find your accounts on other websites. They can go through your posts on reddit, then your posts elsewhere, build a dossier, and work from there. Don't act like its an impossible task to dox someone on reddit, as it's something that happens with frightening regularity there. You have to make an account with a username that you've never used elsewhere and make sure you don't post anything at all that can be used to identify you if you want to avoid it. And most people fail both of those requirements.
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[QUOTE=krosos8;51421140]I think AMAing people like Obama and Trump would know if their answers are being modified, especially if it paints them in a more negative way and if the answers make the news, since some people just dictate answers to a person who then posts on reddit. Possible, but not very much so.
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Then again it's 2016 so who knows.[/QUOTE]
You think. But you don't know for sure. That's exactly why this is a concern. How do you know for sure that the message you're reading hasn't been modified?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421110]Because 4chan isn't tied to your real identity in any way. It's nearly impossible to get doxxed on 4chan unless you almost try to make it happen. But what you say on reddit can be traced back to you. This is even more important when you consider the public and influential figures that use the site. Since HybridTheory didn't want to answer my question, I'll give it to you. How do we know the answers from the Donald Trump or Obama AMAs haven't been modified to suit Spez's agenda? How can we trust that other influential figures haven't had their posts modified to further a hidden agenda?
Or are you going to say "lololol its just words on a screen" and avoid the question with some intellectually lazy response, like HybridTheory?[/QUOTE]
Right. I'll begin, firstly, by criticizing the examples you're giving; both of these examples are, uh, fairly poor- it would be, after all, crystal-clear to everyone that someone on Reddit's staff had tampered with the posts. Hell, there was a shitstorm already brewing with this alone-- people were already going on about how their posts had changed and been edited without their permission, and this was just a case where Spez fucked with some posts for a laugh.
That's all this is, man. A joke.
Spez was tired of the dumb horseshit that pizzagate was inexpecably spawning, like Moot was with /pol/, so he decided to fuck with them a little. That in itself caused a huge shitstorm- a simple goddamn name change. It certainly wasn't a secret, either, and to expect that actually important and valid posts would have been secretly tampered with by Reddit and not been reported to other posters right-the-fuck-away is a little goofy, given that both Obama and Trump's staffers would have immediately known that something was up. They are, after all, the ones that wrote that shit to begin with. To expect that the entire message has been changed being the norm, or some common tactic to further some mysterious agenda, without the author finding out about it, is exceptionally unrealistic. Neither Trump or Obama reported sweeping changes to their AMA answers at all, nor has anyone else during the history of Reddit, barring this case right here- where the original authors of the edited posts constantly reported the fact that their posts had become something that they never said.
That's why it doesn't actually happen, nor should you expect it to. Not in any serious manner, at least. This wasn't a serious matter, and it shouldn't be one, either.
Spez fucked with some people he disagreed with in a goofy, blatantly obvious way. Okay, alright. I'm not going to say that such a move was stupid, because I'd be intellectually dishonest with myself and to you- rather, I found it somewhat funny. Either way, though: it's certainly nothing to call the death of Reddit's reputation over, or allude to 1984 or Orwell's political ideology. It's a shitstorm over jokes. Take things serious when actual serious things happen. They haven't happened yet, though!
So are you saying you have empirical evidence that it has or hasn't happened? Or are you just going off your gut feeling of "nah bro they'd totally know"?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421328]
You think. But you don't know for sure. That's exactly why this is a concern. How do you know for sure that the message you're reading hasn't been modified?[/QUOTE]
I don't. But those responsible for modifying messages likely care only about the stuff that would affect things in their desired way the most. AMAs, important news and so on. Those events are often mirrored on archive.org's WayBack Machine. Since reddit doesn't have a robots.txt file you can view old content freely. As such it's stupidly easy to check for any modifications done post facto.
Be worried though if they include a robots.txt file. Then they're likely hiding something.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421328]
You think. But you don't know for sure. That's exactly why this is a concern. How do you know for sure that the message you're reading hasn't been modified?[/QUOTE]
Because, you dolt, you'd post immediately afterwards about how this post here isn't your true post, and that it was illicitly modified by the Garry's secret police and how it was changed from the thing you originally wrote to what we see here. Maybe someone else would have to post it, or you'd share it over Steam, texting, or Twitter, but if you've got basic mental competence, then you could easily just show the world the secret you've just revealed.
And boom. Like that - the curtain has been pulled back, and the secret conspiracy has been revealed. Dismantled, ultimately, by one single person and compelling screen caps of unauthorized modification.
[I]That[/I] is why post-modding doesn't happen in a serious way. All it takes is just one person to show what's wrong, and it turns on its head, turned feeble and useless. It's a method of suppression so blatantly fucking obvious, so easily destroyed, that it feels wrong to even call it suppression. It's a joke. It has been a joke. It will be a joke.
Relax, people. Goddamn.
[QUOTE=N.A.N.B;51421375]Because, you dolt, you'd post immediately afterwards about how this post here isn't your true post, and that it was illicitly modified by the Garry's secret police and how it was changed from the thing you originally wrote to what we see here. Maybe someone else would have to post it, or you'd share it over Steam, texting, or Twitter, but if you've got basic mental competence, then you could easily just show the world the secret you've just revealed.
And boom. Like that - the curtain has been pulled back, and the secret conspiracy has been revealed. Dismantled, ultimately, by one single person and compelling screen caps of unauthorized modification.
[I]That[/I] is why post-modding doesn't happen in a serious way. All it takes is just one person to show what's wrong, and it turns on its head, turned feeble and useless. It's a method of suppression so blatantly fucking obvious, so easily destroyed, that it feels wrong to even call it suppression. It's a joke. It has been a joke. It will be a joke.
Relax, people. Goddamn.[/QUOTE]
He's telling the truth. After all, Garry is part of a consp
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My post got mysteriously cut off! What the? I meant to say that Garry is part of a con[I]vention Facecon 2017[/I]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421328]A lot of people re-use usernames. That allows people to go find your accounts on other websites. They can go through your posts on reddit, then your posts elsewhere, build a dossier, and work from there. Don't act like its an impossible task to dox someone on reddit, as it's something that happens with frightening regularity there. You have to make an account with a username that you've never used elsewhere and make sure you don't post anything at all that can be used to identify you if you want to avoid it. And most people fail both of those requirements.[/QUOTE]
I am going to act like doxxing someone from Reddit doesn't come from a vacuum. Just because you can doesn't mean it will definitely happen. Throwaway accounts exist for a reason, and if you are concerned about your privacy, you are effectively invisible as Reddit does not offer any real way to track users down.
Every person who has been doxxed on Reddit has had it happened because they have posted something incriminating, which is not a unique thing to Reddit, this is something that happens in all internet forums all over the internet, even 4chan.
[QUOTE=N.A.N.B;51421375]Because, you dolt, you'd post immediately afterwards about how this post here isn't your true post, and that it was illicitly modified by the Garry's secret police and how it was changed from the thing you originally wrote to what we see here. Maybe someone else would have to post it, or you'd share it over Steam, texting, or Twitter, but if you've got basic mental competence, then you could easily just show the world the secret you've just revealed.
And boom. Like that - the curtain has been pulled back, and the secret conspiracy has been revealed. Dismantled, ultimately, by one single person and compelling screen caps of unauthorized modification.
[I]That[/I] is why post-modding doesn't happen in a serious way. All it takes is just one person to show what's wrong, and it turns on its head, turned feeble and useless. It's a method of suppression so blatantly fucking obvious, so easily destroyed, that it feels wrong to even call it suppression. It's a joke. It has been a joke. It will be a joke.
Relax, people. Goddamn.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad to see we can have a reasonable discussion.
First - I've never claimed any of this is a grand conspiracy, unlike what you say I've claimed. All im doing is questioning whether anything there can be trusted or not, and you're going off on tangents about 1984 and Orwellian conspiracies, as if I ever mentioned those.
Second - you've resorted to insulting me over the fact that I'm questioning the legitimacy of reddit, now that we see the admins are easily upset and quickly start modifying their users posts. Are you sure you're approaching this the right way? You're hardly convincing me of anything, rather you're attacking caricatures that you've made up, and insulting me when I don't give in to your baseless argument. I'm sorry, try something better than that.
Until then, your only argument is the fact that they've only been caught one time. You're suggesting that the fact nobody has called them out before is evidence it hasn't happened before. That's purely illogical. You have no real argument, outside of your gut feeling that "surely, nobody could get away with that", which is probably why you resort to insulting me. Are you feeling frustrated? Maybe you should go outside and take a break. Its good for you.
[editline]24th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Samiam22;51421426]I am going to act like doxxing someone from Reddit doesn't come from a vacuum. Just because you can doesn't mean it will definitely happen. Throwaway accounts exist for a reason, and if you are concerned about your privacy, you are effectively invisible as Reddit does not offer any real way to track users down.
Every person who has been doxxed on Reddit has had it happened because they have posted something incriminating, which is not a unique thing to Reddit, this is something that happens in all internet forums all over the internet, even 4chan.[/QUOTE]
So we are in agreement then. Most people fail to take steps to protect themselves online, which is why doxxing occurs. I never claimed it only happens on reddit either. I only claimed it happens less on 4chan due to the lack of usernames and post history.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51421444]I'm glad to see we can have a reasonable discussion.
First - I've never claimed any of this is a grand conspiracy, unlike what you say I've claimed. All im doing is questioning whether anything there can be trusted or not, and you're going off on tangents about 1984 and Orwellian conspiracies, as if I ever mentioned those.
Second - you've resorted to insulting me over the fact that I'm questioning the legitimacy of reddit, now that we see the admins are easily upset and quickly start modifying their users posts. Are you sure you're approaching this the right way? You're hardly convincing me of anything, rather you're attacking caricatures that you've made up, and insulting me when I don't give in to your baseless argument. I'm sorry, try something better than that.[/QUOTE]
Admins =!= one dude who confessed and apologised, and even stated the rest of the team was unhappy with him.
Tell me this, if there really was this conspiracy of reddit admins manipulating posts to suit their nefarious agenda, why would spez admit to editing posts?
[QUOTE=plunger435;51420972]But FP mods already log into people's accounts and post on them.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541231&p=51379144&viewfull=1#post51379144[/url]
And it's pretty funny[/QUOTE]
We do?
[QUOTE=Samiam22;51421220]Define 'influence'[/QUOTE]
tell me the person that was ever convinced to vote for another candidate after reading a 140cr message
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[QUOTE=Samiam22;51421468]Admins =!= one dude who confessed and apologised, and even stated the rest of the team was unhappy with him.
Tell me this, if there really was this conspiracy of reddit admins manipulating posts to suit their nefarious agenda, why would spez admit to editing posts?[/QUOTE]
Because he was caught and called out for it perhaps?
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[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51421548]tell me the person that was ever convinced to vote for another candidate after reading a 140cr message[/quote]
What's this got to do with anything? Do you really believe r/the_donald is anything more than an echo chamber?
[quote]Because he was caught and called out for it perhaps?[/QUOTE]
No he wasn't. Had he not admitted to it, no one would have known. People had suspicions but no one knew for certain until he came out and said so.
[QUOTE=bunguer;51421571][b]It's not just about modifying posts, there are private talks on Slack about banning certain subrreddits, not for violating the rules but simply for opposing views.[/b]
Reddit is also a major website for discussing a multitude of topics. This type of move, while seemingly inoffensive, raises questions about much needed regulations for these monopolies-companies.[/QUOTE]
Oh dear, how concerning that a company could be discussing banning discussion of topics it doesn't like! Anyone up for some rousing warez discussion? Oh right, that's banned here. So are lots of topics. It's a completely normal, boring thing. Reddit isn't some magical, protected bastion of free speech.
Reddit also isn't a monopoly, the idea is absurd. They have no power to control the existence or use of competitors in any way. After all, you're currently discussing how terrible Reddit's monopoly is on a competing internet forum. It's also a free service, so from our perspective there's no monopoly case to be made.
If anyone could make that claim, it would be Reddit's advertisers, but there's a vast amount of competition for advertising space.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51420972]But FP mods already log into people's accounts and post on them.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541231&p=51379144&viewfull=1#post51379144[/url]
And it's pretty funny[/QUOTE]
well technically they're spoofing accounts, they don't actually log into them iirc
but it does amount to the same result in the end anyway
[QUOTE=Samiam22;51421614]What's this got to do with anything? Do you really believe r/the_donald is anything more than an echo chamber?
No he wasn't. Had he not admitted to it, no one would have known. People had suspicions but no one knew for certain until he came out and said so.[/QUOTE]
the problem with the_donald is that its been one of the most consistently popular subs for almost a year now
usually /r/all has like 3-4 posts from there with 6k upvotes, they've definitely had a massive influence and have probably gotten a lot of people to vote for trump either directly or indirectly by propagating their views (and often outright lies) on one of the most massive sites on the internet
ive seen people on fp blindly espouse beliefs that were propagated in part by t_d
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51421649]the problem with the_donald is that its been one of the most consistently popular subs for almost a year now
usually /r/all has like 3-4 posts from there with 6k upvotes, they've definitely had a massive influence and have probably gotten a lot of people to vote for trump either directly or indirectly by propagating their views (and often outright lies) on one of the most massive sites on the internet
ive seen people on fp blindly espouse beliefs that were propagated in part by t_d[/QUOTE]
You see the same people blindly espousing beliefs, however. The_Donald has been hit with accusations of botting time and time again, too. The poll numbers show that Trump voters weren't particularly more numerous than Romney voters. I don't doubt that some were pulled in by the ceaseless propaganda, but others were pushed away by Trump being on record again and again for saying inflammatory things.
Well ship has sailed mates.
While some might argue if this is important or not, even a Reddit mod for other large sub forums is chiming in on side with the donald.
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5eob4v/as_a_moderator_of_large_subreddits_who_hates_the/[/url]
Btw, it isn't really legitimizing conspiracies if it actually happens and there are Admins caught talking about unfairly manipulating them.
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My 2c.
Spez shouldn't have done it, but r/the_Donald is fucking livid
What spez should have done and been more in the clear outside /r/t_d is just quarantine the sub for awhile.
It isn't like they fucking broke almost every damn rule thousands of times over.
But what is probably going to happen is alot of nothing for awhile, a code change so admins cant edit posts silently (will have some kind of text saying HEY I WAS EDITED BY A REDDIT ADMIN) and a 50% chance of a CEO change.
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