• Windows 9 Hinted to Win Over Windows 7 Users
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Sheesh people it's called an opinion. You wouldn't want someone to force their religion onto you so why bother arguing with someone that prefers something else?
[QUOTE=HetsuProcyon;45311188]Windows 8 has native support for a lot more file extensions and drivers, the startup time is incredibly fast and the performance in general is much better on my machine compared to when I was on 7.[/QUOTE] I don't get why people care about start up time one or 1 1/5 minutes is nothing, at best that's all I've felt the difference is between the two computers start almost instantly compared to how they used to... you could bang your secretary, have a coffee and do work before the thing started that and who cares about a slight difference in start up if it performs like shit or amazingly well. W7 on a HD starts as fast to me as w8 on a SSD. the only time boot time helps is if your computer is so shit that it constantly blue screens, in which case, it's entirely redundant.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45311860]Whatever computer you installed Windows 7 on is ancient, like from 2001, that or you've loaded it down with a million viruses, seriously I've never heard of Windows 7 taking 20 minutes to load. Bringing up tablets is dumb, PCs and tablets are used for completely different things, not only that but tablets are mobile, you NEED the instant load up on tablets because of how they work and what they're used for, you don't need an instant boot time for PCs.[/QUOTE] Near-instant booting on PCs is sure as shit preferable though. Faster boot times is a point in favour of Windows 8, no matter how you attempt to spin it to not be. The improvements there are part of numerous other changes to the kernel to improve responsiveness and general performance, seeing as it has to run on more limited mobile hardware as well as desktop hardware.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45311811]Isn't that strange, I know a lot of people that just grab their tablet because it just starts up way faster. And a boot of Windows 7 after installing a lot of random crap took around 20 minutes before I could do anything. While with Windows 8.1 it still is a few seconds (installed 20-11-2013 and see how much of a mess is in screenshots before). Besides that I miss little to nothing if I would switch back to 7, might even improve when it comes to drivers for this aging machine.[/QUOTE] and yet a laptop is probably way way more powerful than a tablet its pretty silly that peoples first impressions are so literally about the first thing they see in the computer... its boot time. I know first impressions are everything but that's taking it extremely literal. of course a 3 to 5 minute boot time difference says a lot about a computers speed, but that's a bigger difference. Once it boots under 3 minutes, it doesn't matter any more. if it takes 10-30 minutes to boot, you have yourself a 90's office computer.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45311888]Near-instant booting on PCs is sure as shit preferable though. Faster boot times is a point in favour of Windows 8, no matter how you attempt to spin it to not be. The improvements there are part of numerous other changes to the kernel to improve responsiveness and general performance, seeing as it has to run on more limited mobile hardware as well as desktop hardware.[/QUOTE]And it is due to hibernation when you press "Shut Down". Try a cold boot and it's not much faster any more.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45311972]And it is due to hibernation when you press "Shut Down". Try a cold boot and it's not much faster any more.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't exactly call it hibernation if it closes all programs and processes and resets everything and shit
[QUOTE=J!NX;45311897]and yet a laptop is probably way way more powerful than a tablet its pretty silly that peoples first impressions are so literally about the first thing they see in the computer... its boot time. I know first impressions are everything but that's taking it extremely literal. of course a 3 to 5 minute boot time difference says a lot about a computers speed, but that's a bigger difference. Once it boots under 3 minutes, it doesn't matter any more. if it takes 10-30 minutes to boot, you have yourself a 90's office computer.[/QUOTE] Once you get a PC that boots up instantly, you can't go back. It's such a small thing that should be insignificant, but it really is nice.
[QUOTE=TNOMCat;45312263]I wouldn't exactly call it hibernation if it closes all programs and processes and resets everything and shit[/QUOTE] It hibernates the kernel and drivers and such since the vast majority of your boot time is just processing your drivers and settings to get things ready. When you shut down, it just saves the state of your system after logoff and then reloads it exactly as it was when you turn it back on. Its really just hibernate that cleans up after itself since there are no user programs running. But honestly, this way is better, since its really unnecessary to cold boot everytime as I'm sure your not making massive system changes on a regular basis. Cold boots are really only necessary for resolving weird issues or installing Windows updates.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45311700]I don't get why people care about start up time one or 1 1/5 minutes is nothing, at best that's all I've felt the difference is between the two computers start almost instantly compared to how they used to... you could bang your secretary, have a coffee and do work before the thing started that and who cares about a slight difference in start up if it performs like shit or amazingly well. W7 on a HD starts as fast to me as w8 on a SSD. the only time boot time helps is if your computer is so shit that it constantly blue screens, in which case, it's entirely redundant.[/QUOTE] Stop caring about a legitimate advantage because it makes win7 look bad tia
I hate Windows 8 but love Windows 8.1, using classicshell is great (hate metro). I read that they will bring back the classic start menu from 7 for 8.1 , everything looks slick and sexy like using Windows Explorer. Using Windows Explorer on 7 is ugly compared to 8.1. Also Modernmix is great if you want to run Apps in a window instead of taking up the entire bloody screen! Oh and SSD + Windows 8.1 on the SSD = 20 seconds (sometimes under it if I tinker with it) and I'm at the desktop (I have Windows 8.1 where it remembers my password and logs me straight in without having to type my password in).
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;45312380]Stop caring about a legitimate advantage because it makes win7 look bad tia[/QUOTE] windows 8 runs better overall, but it having 20 seconds faster in boot time isn't really an advantage to care about. I was simply pointing out that it really shouldn't matter.
what kind of terrible computer takes longer than 30 seconds to boot windows 7 [editline]7th July 2014[/editline] p.s you can make windows 7 go in to sleep/hibernate too
[QUOTE=TNOMCat;45312263]I wouldn't exactly call it hibernation if it closes all programs and processes and resets everything and shit[/QUOTE] It hibernates the kernel and other low level stuff. It isn't 100% hibernation, more of a hybrid. But the point still stands, when cold booting without any hibernation w8 boot times are more or less the same as 7, a second here or there maybe.
a pleasant surprise would be if they shipped the OS with a PC instead of a PC with the OS like a titan z or a radeon pirate islands
I quite like this concept someone created a while ago: [t]http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/273/8/b/windows_start_menu_concept_by_andrei19190-d5f02v7.jpg[/t] It keeps to the Metro-aesthetic, but it's much more compact and easier to use for mouse users.
[QUOTE=Winner;45313104]i pin things to the taskbar because i love being able to hit win + 2 for chrome or win + 5 for foobar etc[/QUOTE] Learn something new everyday.
Can't anyone talk about Windows anymore without having a bitchslapping contest about which version is better?
[QUOTE=dgg;45303253]How do you even bluescreen from playing games in the first place? You need to get your PC to a doctor.[/QUOTE] A PC Speed Optimizer a day keeps the viruses away.
[QUOTE=Ott;45313484]A PC Speed Optimizer a day keeps the viruses away.[/QUOTE] Have you tried Bonzi Buddy? I heard that shit is rad.
[QUOTE=dgg;45309928]If you read it you would find that the solution is to run it in window mode with 16-bit colours, there were even solutions to go beyond the standard 800x600 resolution restriction from windowed mode. Hell, this guy seems to have figured out how to play it fullscreen if I understand him right. Just because you're not willing to find a solution doesn't mean it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Like I said, I read that thread ages ago. I've tried all the "solutions" in the thread. This particular one bumps frame rate from 5 to about 15. Greatly improved? Yes. Playable? No. I don't know what you're trying to prove. The DirectDraw issues in windows 8 are real, just Google it. It's even mentioned in the thread you linked.
[QUOTE]Enjoy Halo 3, the best selling FPS of all time, and the Master Chief Collection, only on Windows 9[/QUOTE] I can just see it now. I cry every day.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45311972]And it is due to hibernation when you press "Shut Down". Try a cold boot and it's not much faster any more.[/QUOTE] Okay people say this as if "AHA, I COUNTERED YOUR POINT, WHAT SAY YOU NOW" Congratulations, you figured out how Windows 8 has a faster boot time, I don't understand how this is any argument against it. If you, itisjuly are just stating it as a fact as to how, then apply none of this to yourself. If you are trying to use it as a counter argument though, I think you're dumb. [editline]7th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;45311700]I don't get why people care about start up time[/QUOTE] That's great and all, but they do. You don't have to get it in order for it to be a legitimate advantage.
[QUOTE=theblah12;45313093]I quite like this concept someone created a while ago: [t]http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/273/8/b/windows_start_menu_concept_by_andrei19190-d5f02v7.jpg[/t] It keeps to the Metro-aesthetic, but it's much more compact and easier to use for mouse users.[/QUOTE] Shit, I'd use that [sp]I also found the wallpaper[/sp]
Good things about windows 8: The performance, all around , it runs FAR better then windows 7 and windows 7 ran fairly well on most hardware, but windows 8 is just far more scalable, and runs just smoother Bad things about windows 8: the UX, windows 9 better bring back the UX of windows 7, which got it just right, at least for windows, I still rather Linux Mint for UX I say, keep metro, I like the side bars, I like the whole thing with putting apps side by side, but put make desktop mode the default, bring back the UX of windows 7, and place metro on top of it, not have desktop on top of metro as it is in windows 8, bring back the start menu as it was in windows 7, add some customization for once without having to make me run a service on top of everything or poke around and replace system files. Also, the task manager in windows 8 is fantastic
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[QUOTE=LegndNikko;45314936]Okay people say this as if "AHA, I COUNTERED YOUR POINT, WHAT SAY YOU NOW" Congratulations, you figured out how Windows 8 has a faster boot time, I don't understand how this is any argument against it. If you, itisjuly are just stating it as a fact as to how, then apply none of this to yourself. If you are trying to use it as a counter argument though, I think you're dumb.[/QUOTE]The point is, the faster boot time is not an indication of optimisations that have improved Win8's functionality at all; it's a singular trick to make it boot faster that has no bearing on the rest of the OS. I personally don't give a rat's arse about boot times because i've got the thing on for most of the day, even if i'm not using it. The optimisations made to the rest of the OS are far more interesting and a much worthier point in Win8's favour to tout than shaving a few seconds off the boot time.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45311700]I don't get why people care about start up time one or 1 1/5 minutes is nothing, at best that's all I've felt the difference is between the two computers start almost instantly compared to how they used to... you could bang your secretary, have a coffee and do work before the thing started that and who cares about a slight difference in start up if it performs like shit or amazingly well. W7 on a HD starts as fast to me as w8 on a SSD. the only time boot time helps is if your computer is so shit that it constantly blue screens, in which case, it's entirely redundant.[/QUOTE] When you're in class and want to get going, the computer booting up is a real annoyance. On my almost 4 year old laptop, Windows 8 is just incredibly fast compared to 7. For tablets and laptops, I think boot time is a big deal - Microsoft still has to get the sleep/wake cycle down to basically 0, but you can't get everything. It's also nice to have short boot times on your desktop, but it's not really essential.
When i built my current PC i bought W8 for the sake of pricing since it was cheaper at the time I stay on the desktop 24/7 and never use the actual main menus, kinda wish i had gotten W7 instead but it's virtually identical to 7 other than the start button being missing. I generally swipe my mouse to the sideto open the search menu but i still miss the start button. Tried getting an addon which just crashed on use Overall stick with W7 unless for whatever reason you NEED W8, because theres no advantage, as many have said
[QUOTE=Punchy;45316161]When i built my current PC i bought W8 for the sake of pricing since it was cheaper at the time I stay on the desktop 24/7 and never use the actual main menus, kinda wish i had gotten W7 instead but it's virtually identical to 7 other than the start button being missing. I generally swipe my mouse to the sideto open the search menu but i still miss the start button. Tried getting an addon which just crashed on use Overall stick with W7 unless for whatever reason you NEED W8, [B]because theres no advantage[/B], as many have said[/QUOTE] Yes there is, please read the thread.
[QUOTE=dgg;45303038]It's like windows 7 just faster. It's the same exact shit. Just install Classic Shell and you have your start menu back and everything. Also yes, all the hate for Windows 8 is based on misinformation and misunderstandings. It's just a straight up better version of Windows 7.[/QUOTE] This, so goddamn much. And fuck it, I like the Metro UI. It feels more organized than the list-based start menu. The start-menu is basically a file list. [editline]7th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303047]I really don't understand you Windows 7 luddies, this is far tidier and more attractive... [t]http://u.cubeupload.com/chrishind10/Screenshot140.png[/t] Than this tacky, glossy vestigiary which uses unwieldy nested directories. [img]http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/archive/winsupersite.com/content/content/128696/win7/vxp_18.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Actually, this summarized my thoughts better on the start menu/metro comparison
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