[QUOTE=Ott;45313484]A PC Speed Optimizer a day keeps the viruses away.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheNewDude;45313535]Have you tried Bonzi Buddy? I heard that shit is rad.[/QUOTE]
I thought putting my GPU in the dishwasher was how I did it
[editline]7th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303047]I really don't understand you Windows 7 luddies, this is far tidier and more attractive...
[t]http://u.cubeupload.com/chrishind10/Screenshot140.png[/t]
Than this tacky, glossy vestigiary which uses unwieldy nested directories.
[img]http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/archive/winsupersite.com/content/content/128696/win7/vxp_18.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I just read this post
are you for real or something? because people say similar things in the opposite direction
you're like stating it like it's fact, it's all by opinion :v:
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45303058]It's not really faster in anything that matters. If you're on w7, there is no reason at all to upgrade to 8.[/QUOTE]
If you use your computer for anything other than games, those speed-changes are a GODSEND.
As long as they drop the touchscreen and tablet design bullshit i'll be okay with that
Windows 9 - just be attractive and productive.
For me, Windows 8 is nearly perfect and 8.1 got closer to fixing all the issues I have with it. Only thing I'd like to see in W9 is proper scaling (4k resolutions are about to become the norm and Windows scaling is SHIT). i'd also like to see performance increases, a decrease in file size, native rar support, default ISO support (why the hell is it toggled off in Windows 8 by default? ) and I'd like to see charms go away.
Also they need to get rid of that brick wall between metro and desktop. They're two platforms mutually exclusive from each other and it's a shame because I really like the design and wish application developers would use it too.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45317502]Windows 7's UI is objectively hideous, I always skinned the everloving shit out of it to remove all the nasty gloss.[/QUOTE]
I find windows 7 aero to look like shit but that's entirely subjective
sadly i have to deal with it
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45314250]Like I said, I read that thread ages ago. I've tried all the "solutions" in the thread. This particular one bumps frame rate from 5 to about 15. Greatly improved? Yes. Playable? No.
I don't know what you're trying to prove. The DirectDraw issues in windows 8 are real, just Google it. It's even mentioned in the thread you linked.[/QUOTE]
Just for you I installed SWAT3 right now on Windows 8.1 and I followed this "guide":
[url]http://www.scripting-base.de/blog/artikel/datum////swat-3-auf-windows-8/[/url]
SWAT3 runs like a charm.
Trying to find the FPS on it I tried using both DXtory and FRAPS, neither wants to give an FPS counter, but it is really smooth. However, funny thing, when FRAPS was open the framerate completely tanked, just from FRAPS simply running, so if you had FRAPS running back when you tried it that could have been the problem.
[QUOTE=HetsuProcyon;45311188]Windows 8 has native support for a lot more file extensions and drivers, the startup time is incredibly fast and the performance in general is much better on my machine compared to when I was on 7.[/QUOTE]
I also forgot to mention I have three displays linked up to my rig, it's incredibly convenient to have native support for the taskbars and active windows on all three. In terms of boot time, my motherboard is old and BIOS based, the boot times with this combined with a standard hard disk is in my opinion very impressive compared to while I was using 7. One last thing that I find incredibly useful is the fact that if you're using Windows 8.1 Enterprise, you have the option to install the whole operating system to a thumb drive and it is optimized to run on any machine you plug it into. I use this a heck of a lot at college, it's called [url=http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/devices/windowstogo.aspx]Windows To Go[/url]
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45317502]Windows 7's UI is [B]objectively hideous[/B].[/QUOTE]
This burned a hole through my brain.
[QUOTE=BlueYoshi;45316222]Yes there is, please read the thread.[/QUOTE]
There is no feasible advantage to one that uses windows for games. W8 is essentially just reworking the system into big colorful buttons rather than compact menus. Hence why so many users tend to stay on the desktop.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45317502]Windows 7's UI is objectively hideous, I always skinned the everloving shit out of it to remove all the nasty gloss.[/QUOTE]
While I'm a big fan of Windows 8's simple UI, I ran Win7 for a good while and loved running a fully transparent theme on a simple background. It felt clean enough with no tint or a non-coloured tint.
[t]http://windows7themer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Aero-Clear-Windows-7-Visual-Styles.jpg[/t]
(not my screenshot, but you get the idea)
[editline]7th July 2014[/editline]
although I wish Windows could be customized easily to the niceness linux could when it comes to appearance, I love the Boje theme on my old Xubuntu-running Thinkpad. (with default xubuntu blue icons / fonts)
[t]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-egq-ARMjxTM/USTJmkKTX9I/AAAAAAAAEl0/5bWSadvFkLs/s1600/Boje-theme.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Basement;45303221]You guys don't even have to USE metro. You can go Window Key + S and have a search panel pop up, all while on your desktop. It's basically all I used the start menu on Windows 7 for, as I'm sure a lot of others did. And if you REALLY want to access a program in two clicks, and don't want a crowded taskbar for whatever reason, it's not that hard to just hit the window key and click a square.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5jiNhhE.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.muycomputer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/screen-shot-2012-01-14-at-12.18.41.jpg[/IMG]
Far cooler and nicer
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45318282][t]http://www.muycomputer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/screen-shot-2012-01-14-at-12.18.41.jpg[/t]
Far cooler and nicer[/QUOTE]
That looks ugly as piss compared to Metro
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Tl4uHVm.png[/t]
My desktop is the greatest.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45309839]Old man change hater detected[/QUOTE]
Annoying vain person who thinks you can have a wrong opinion detected
[QUOTE=dgg;45318002]Just for you I installed SWAT3 right now on Windows 8.1 and I followed this "guide":
[URL]http://www.scripting-base.de/blog/artikel/datum////swat-3-auf-windows-8/[/URL]
SWAT3 runs like a charm.
Trying to find the FPS on it I tried using both DXtory and FRAPS, neither wants to give an FPS counter, but it is really smooth. However, funny thing, when FRAPS was open the framerate completely tanked, just from FRAPS simply running, so if you had FRAPS running back when you tried it that could have been the problem.[/QUOTE]
Still sub 30 FPS for me. Looking at the options it seems like all this does is force the game to use it's own software renderer instead of the DirectDraw emulation in Windows 8. Which is probably also why Fraps doesn't work, it can't hook into the game's own software renderer. Fraps works fine if you select hardware renderer in the options but then the framerate tanks again because Windows has to emulate DirectDraw.
So still the same issue, no hardware support for DirectDraw in Windows 8...
The only proper workaround I've found is to use Wine DLL's which translates the DirectDraw calls into OpenGL one's, but that doesn't work in a lot of games, including SWAT 3, the game just crashes.
I hope they fix transparent taskbar in next windows. Everything in 8 is flat, except for that bugger.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318474]I hope they fix transparent taskbar in next windows. Everything in 8 is flat, except for that bugger.[/QUOTE]
Then don't use a transparent taskbar
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45318421]Still sub 30 FPS for me. Looking at the options it seems like all this does is force the game to use it's own software renderer instead of the DirectDraw emulation in Windows 8. Which is probably also why Fraps doesn't work, it can't hook into the game's own software renderer. Fraps works fine if you select hardware renderer in the options but then the framerate tanks again because Windows has to emulate DirectDraw.
So still the same issue, no hardware support for DirectDraw in Windows 8...
The only proper workaround I've found is to use Wine DLL's which translates the DirectDraw calls into OpenGL one's, but that doesn't work in a lot of games, including SWAT 3, the game just crashes.[/QUOTE]
It's in a fully and wholly playable state. It looked more than smooth enough to play to me. What exactly is the problem with it not being 30fps+ when it's responsive enough to play and doesn't look like it's lagging?
It's not Counter-Strike, you're not competitively fighting against someone where every milisecond of responsetime matters.
It runs and it runs fine, your complaint is that it doesn't run as well as you wish it did, not that it isn't playable. You can't go around saying old games doesn't work on Windows 8.1 when they absolutely do and you just wish they had higher framerates.
[editline]7th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318474]I hope they fix transparent taskbar in next windows. Everything in 8 is flat, except for that bugger.[/QUOTE]
You can turn off transparency. You can turn off all fancy effects like shadows and gloss and transparency and whatnot. It's all options that have always been available since Vista.
[QUOTE=dgg;45318532]What exactly is the problem with it not being 30fps+[/QUOTE]
Are you for real? It matters a whole lot for enjoyable experience.
[editline]7th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=dgg;45318532]
You can turn off transparency. You can turn off all fancy effects like shadows and gloss and transparency and whatnot. It's all options that have always been available since Vista.[/QUOTE]
How do I turn off transparent taskbar in 8?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318550]How do I turn off transparent taskbar in 8?[/QUOTE]
Seriously
the control panel is labeled with categories for a reason
[QUOTE=gk99;45318575]Seriously
the control panel is labeled with categories for a reason[/QUOTE]
That does not answer my question
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318593]That does not answer my question[/QUOTE]
Use classic shell to enable Aero Lite which should turn off the transparency.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318593]That does not answer my question[/QUOTE]
It really does. You just disable the transparency effects in the Customisation menu exactly as you would in Windows 7 if I recall. If it's not in there, you can get to it in the advanced options for that menu which handles all the desktop compositing.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318550]Are you for real? It matters a whole lot for enjoyable experience.[/QUOTE]
Had it looked like a subpar 30fps experience where shit seemed unresponsive and laggy, sure.
But it looks good and smooth. Hell I might even have 30+ fps on my installation for all I know, I have no way of seeing the framerate.
[QUOTE=dgg;45318532]It's in a fully and wholly playable state. It looked more than smooth enough to play to me. What exactly is the problem with it not being 30fps+ when it's responsive enough to play and doesn't look like it's lagging?
It's not Counter-Strike, you're not competitively fighting against someone where every milisecond of responsetime matters.
It runs and it runs fine, your complaint is that it doesn't run as well as you wish it did, not that it isn't playable. You can't go around saying old games doesn't work on Windows 8.1 when they absolutely do and you just wish they had higher framerates.
[/QUOTE]
If sub 30 FPS is enjoyable to you then good for you. It's not for me, so the game is effectively unplayable. The entire time my complaint was that you can't play the game at a decent framerate:
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45309271]I've read that thread ages ago. If you actually looked further than just the title you'd see that there is no solution available. [B]The game simply can't be played on Windows 8 with decent framerate. Which again boils down to the lack of hw DirectDraw support. So every game that uses DirectDraw will run really, really slow on Windows 8.[/B]
The only way to get the game running at a playable framerate is changing the game's rendered to a software renderer, but that looks like shit and can't be used with higher resolutions.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile on Windows 7 the game runs 60FPS@1080P.
I don't really know why we're still even arguing about this, my point is that Windows 8 lacks hardware DirectDraw support, which it does. There is no "fix" for this (Other than the WINE DLL trick I mentioned earlier, but that doesn't work with most games). If you want to play old DirectDraw games properly then use Windows 7.
[QUOTE=dgg;45318532]
You can turn off transparency. You can turn off all fancy effects like shadows and gloss and transparency and whatnot. It's all options that have always been available since Vista.[/QUOTE]
That menu is still there in Windows 8 but you can't turn off taskbar transparency from there.
Unless I'm missing something here?
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14597902/FP uploads/Screenshot 2014-07-07 21.06.46.png[/t]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45318620]It really does. You just disable the transparency effects in the Customisation menu exactly as you would in Windows 7 if I recall. If it's not in there, you can get to it in the advanced options for that menu which handles all the desktop compositing.[/QUOTE]
Either I'm bloody retarded or it's not possible without 3rd party apps. Google gives me no solution besides said 3rd party apps.
If you want to play very old game properly, run a virtual machine on the OS that the games were meant for.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45318645]Either I'm bloody retarded or it's not possible without 3rd party apps. Google gives me no solution besides said 3rd party apps.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure I remember seeing the old checkbox for that...I've not been on Win8 for a while because I just can't be fucked with migrating my PC over now I have a spare copy. But that must have been there.
The advanced display options should have something for it at least. Though it might just shut Aero off entirely...
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45318635]That menu is still there in Windows 8 but you can't turn off taskbar transparency from there.
Unless I'm missing something here?
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14597902/FP uploads/Screenshot 2014-07-07 21.06.46.png[/t][/QUOTE]
There it is.
System - Advanced System Settings - Performance Options.
However the odd thing is that transparency/aero/glass is not present as an option, what's really really strange is the transparency check box was present in Windows 8 but seems to have been removed in 8.1 or in updates.
So now the only option is to choose a High Contrast theme under Personalization and adjust the colour scheme of that. But it also changes how webpages looks.
Classic Shell has an option under the Windows 8.1 tab to disable taskbar transparency though. There is also [url=http://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.199]this small program[/url] dedicated only to fixing the transparency problem.
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