[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45303592]According some rumored sources, if Windows 9 is the supposed Window Threshold, it's going to be a free upgrade to everyone who owns Windows 7 or 8.1[/QUOTE]
holy shit, I get two copies?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45303652]The power management on Windows 8 was a bit hit and miss on my laptop, but I had managed to wear the battery 30% in a year of use, so it was probably confused as fuck. But it was certainly lasting a lot longer than Windows 7 did (with a power plan designed for the laptop might I add).
However, even the tools in Windows 8 were better. The task manager was fucking awesome, the search was a hell of a lot more flexible (internet searching? in my start menu? ohh yess). The only real issue with Windows 8.1 is the Windows Store is still in a dire state that means portable users are getting fucked over hard.[/QUOTE]
not only that but the search function didn't cease to fucking work because it went on break
you could actually set up a macro to use search
[QUOTE=Ezhik;45303507]"i'm gonna ignore every reason why the newer version is better while also conveniently ignoring the fact that it's easy to revert the one change i don't like"[/QUOTE]
oh don't worry i'm willing to admit that windows 8 is faster than 7, it's hard to just ignore raw numbers
but saying "as long as you use third party programs to get rid of the bad stuff, it's good!!" is retarded and flawed
win 8 ui will never be good, sorry
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303663]I hope they completely kill windows RT off and all windows tablets run on bay trail or better.[/QUOTE]
From what I heard there are 2 SKUs:
Desktop/x86 tabs - lets you choose between legacy UI and Metro
Phone/ARM tabs - Metro only
[QUOTE=Doomish;45303676]oh don't worry i'm willing to admit that windows 8 is faster than 7, it's hard to just ignore raw numbers
but saying "as long as you use third party programs to get rid of the bad stuff, it's good!!" is retarded and flawed
win 8 ui will never be good, sorry[/QUOTE]
well if you're not willing to accept the change (2 years later and i still don't see the problem with it), and also refuse to get rid of what annoys you then what the hell am i supposed to do
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303682]Pfft, come on there are windows 95 icons still floating around 8.1[/QUOTE]
well there are probably some hella necessary apps that will crash if the icons are any different, and you know how it is, MS needs to support 25 years worth of legacy crap because the only bigger outcry than the start menu would be if their 1994 copy of WordPerfect doesn't work!!
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45303592]According some rumored sources, if Windows 9 is the supposed Window Threshold, it's going to be a free upgrade to everyone who owns Windows 7 or 8.1[/QUOTE]
the deal has been sealed, if this is true i am upgrading
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303634]Microsoft tested virtual desktops with a focus group, but considering the average Windows user is a complete vegetable it confused them, that's why they never invested time in it.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, really? Well I guess that explains it.
I seriously doubt that; but if it's true I'll upgrade.
If W8 was [URL="http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5203934/windows-8-2-start-menu-concept"]this[/URL] then I would probably like it. Apart from the actual windows, they look like shit.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/MNyiT7e.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/m9clrj9.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45303097]Boot times are not faster if you cold-boot. It is faster only because it does hybrid where it hibernates some things. Just hibernate your w7 and it will boot just as fast.[/QUOTE]
From a cold boot, Windows 8 is so much faster than 7 was for me. Not counting POST time, 7 took around 15-20 seconds to boot on my SSD, 8 takes around 5 seconds.
[QUOTE=froztshock;45303747]Holy shit, really? Well I guess that explains it.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to computers, your average person's brain activity flat lines. Reading comprehension, basic memory, and problem solving abilities go right out the window. So much as moving an icon is enough to send them into incomprehensible rage.
My biggest complaint with Windows 8.1 is that the start screen doesn't display correctly at a resolution of 1680x1050.
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/85H0r0q.png[/img_thumb]
It adds a pointless scroll bar at the bottom of the screen that will only scroll a few pixels.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45303805]Metro gets gross when you use it.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/DyeJT93.png[/t]
[T]http://i.imgur.com/8qoj0wZ.png[/T]
Have 1000 html documents there? Well then have fun digging in directory to remove them. Want to do it on the Windows 7 back to 95 or even before? You can do it on the spot.[/QUOTE]
don't blame microsoft for terrible developers shitting up the start menu
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45303829]I do blame them for not being able to remove them.[/QUOTE]
well you can still remove them but yeah it is harder
[QUOTE=Excalibuurr;45303694]That sounds nice and all, but is it easy to use for someone without any technical knowledge?[/QUOTE]
It's becomming easier. It still takes effort but it'll become a lot easier.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45303401]Because it's NOT like the control panel in W7. It's all dumbified and makes things more of a pain to do.[/QUOTE]
It's exactly the same. Don't use the Metro Control Panel you dumb dumb.
[QUOTE=Doomish;45303483]lol listen to yourself
"just download this unlicensed third party application that makes it exactly like the previous version and it'll be 100% better than the previous version!!!"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=J!NX;45303551]I adore metro and windows 8 in every way
but needing a third party application for start menu is seriously bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I download CCleaner to clean up after Windows. But I guess that's bullshit too because the system should clean itself.
I download Speccy to get better system stats. But that's bullshit because the system should give me that.
I download Windirstat to get a better overview on what's taking up space. But that's bullshit because the system should give me that.
I download Spybot to remove malware. But that's etc etc
It's fucking windows. How can you argue about downloading programs to get functionality? It's like, exactly what we applaud it for.
You install 50 programs to get your Windows to be the way you want it. But ooh no, downloading Classic Shell is just overstepping the line, that's a godawful argument. Next you're going to tell me I have to download programs to browse the internet, do P2P sharing and playing games as well.
Doesn't matter what Michaelsoft thinks, I'm still gonna be using Windows 7 in 2015. And even if I get a new computer in the future, a Windows 7 virtual machine will overshadow the main OS, be it 8 or 9.
[QUOTE=dgg;45303854]It's exactly the same. Don't use the Metro Control Panel you dumb dumb.
I download CCleaner to clean up after Windows. But I guess that's bullshit too because the system should clean itself.
I download Speccy to get better system stats. But that's bullshit because the system should give me that.
I download Windirstat to get a better overview on what's taking up space. But that's bullshit because the system should give me that.
I download Spybot to remove malware. But that's etc etc
It's fucking windows. How can you argue about downloading programs to get functionality? It's like, exactly what we applaud it for.
You install 50 programs to get your Windows to be the way you want it. But ooh no, downloading Classic Shell is just overstepping the line, that's a godawful argument. Next you're going to tell me I have to download programs to browse the internet, do P2P sharing and playing games as well.[/QUOTE]
It's not the same? Cleanup software isn't the same as getting software that makes your GUI look like the previous version's GUI.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;45303862]Doesn't matter what Michaelsoft thinks, I'm still gonna be using Windows 7 in 2015. And even if I get a new computer in the future, a Windows 7 virtual machine will overshadow the main OS, be it 8 or 9.[/QUOTE]
enjoy using outdated software
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;45303643]well, you're wrong. you might encounter some people like that, but that doesn't negate the actual problems with the OS. I'm someone who is intrigued by change more than anything else. whenever I've upgraded to a new OS I've always enjoyed screwing around with all the new features and figuring out what's been changed/improved. I'm also one of like 5 people who firmly believes that vista was a good OS and just failed because of bad PR. all that being said, windows 8 has been a nightmare every time I've tried to use it. there are thousands of little flaws that just irritate the shit out of me. what you have to consider is you're probably a more casual user than most of the people with actual valid complaints about windows 8, so there's no reason for you to notice the more subtle flaws.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me about these flaws instead of just saying they exist and they're bad and I'm wrong.
I highly enjoyed Vista and the only reason it got shat on is because it had godawful support for the first 3 months, being incompatible with everything people used. And of course it was more resource intensive which is not something people like, especially not when it slows them down, which also was only a problem in the start.
[QUOTE=Scot;45303788]If W8 was [URL="http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5203934/windows-8-2-start-menu-concept"]this[/URL] then I would probably like it. Apart from the actual windows, they look like shit.
[/QUOTE]
Not too different from what they showed at Build earlier this year:
[img]http://i.cubeupload.com/86znBj.png[/img]
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45303870]It's not the same? Cleanup software isn't the same as getting software that makes your GUI look like the previous version's GUI.[/QUOTE]
cleanup software replaces the stock disk cleanup
speccy replaces the stock specs showing app
it's exactly the same fucking thing
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45303870]It's not the same? Cleanup software isn't the same as getting software that makes your GUI look like the previous version's GUI.[/QUOTE]
It's exactly the same. You're downloading programs to alter how you use Windows and giving it functionality it currently doesn't have or replacing functionality it already has with a different one.
People download programs like Irfanviewer to replace the windows image viewer.
People download Winrar/Winzip/7zip to open archives despite it being natively supported by windows.
People download ISO programs despite it being integrated into Windows.
It's not different, at all. It's just another damn program in the list of 1000.
I'm fine with Windows 8 tbh
Can't wait to see what they unveil tho
[QUOTE=dgg;45303892]It's exactly the same. You're downloading programs to alter how you use Windows and giving it functionality it currently doesn't have or replacing functionality it already has with a different one.
People download programs like Irfanviewer to replace the windows image viewer.
People download Winrar/Winzip/7zip to open archives despite it being natively supported by windows.
People download ISO programs despite it being integrated into Windows.
It's not different, at all. It's just another damn program in the list of 1000.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ezhik;45303889]cleanup software replaces the stock disk cleanup
speccy replaces the stock specs showing app
it's exactly the same fucking thing[/QUOTE]
Are you two daft?
There's a difference between using third party software that improves upon existing system tools, and third party software that mimics old system tools created by microsoft years ago. It's like admitting they fucked up with the new version and that the best option is to go back.
Also, the GUI is incredibly important to the user experience, registry cleaners and unzipping software not so much.
[QUOTE=dgg;45303854]It's exactly the same. Don't use the Metro Control Panel you dumb dumb.
I download CCleaner to clean up after Windows. But I guess that's bullshit too because the system should clean itself.
I download Speccy to get better system stats. But that's bullshit because the system should give me that.
I download Windirstat to get a better overview on what's taking up space. But that's bullshit because the system should give me that.
I download Spybot to remove malware. But that's etc etc
It's fucking windows. How can you argue about downloading programs to get functionality? It's like, exactly what we applaud it for.
You install 50 programs to get your Windows to be the way you want it. But ooh no, downloading Classic Shell is just overstepping the line, that's a godawful argument. Next you're going to tell me I have to download programs to browse the internet, do P2P sharing and playing games as well.[/QUOTE]
That's really not the point though
none of those are naturally a part of the system in previous versions at all. The start menu is simply a natural part of all over versions outside of w8.
The same goes for shit that was in previous versions that is still persistent today.
Imagine if windows 9 all of a suddenly did not come with the defragmentor or onscreen keyboard, you have to use third party programs for that. No ones arguing for it to naturally do that shit, we're saying its a part of what the OS was, why remove it? Unless its truly outdated, and the start menu couldn't be outdated.
Hey, Ezhik, just accept that Windows 8 doesn't work for some people. Since my PC is a gaming rig with a Steam library of over 120 games, some of which use frameworks like DirectDraw which aren't supported in Windows 8, it doesn't make sense for me to upgrade. I'm primarily a Mac user anyway, and I rarely see the Windows UI on the desktop. It's always hidden behind the Steam Big Picture UI.
Not everyone is you. Not everyone is in the same situation. Not everyone has $150 to throw at a license when what they've got works just fine. Stop trying to change everyone's mind, it isn't going to work, and it's just going to make people angry with you, and bitter about your cause.
(And yes, I've used Windows 8. Since the previews. The only reason I threw 7 back on my desktop is because I no longer use it for work or class. It didn't make sense for me to have a system that was incompatible with the very purpose of itself.)
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45303915]Are you two daft?
There's a difference between using third party software that improves upon existing system tools, and third party software that mimics old system tools created by microsoft years ago. It's like admitting they fucked up with the new version and that the best option is to go back.[/QUOTE]
i can install a customization pack thing that would make windows 95 look like windows 3.1, doesn't mean that microsoft fucked up
it just means that somebody is fucking resistant to change
plus you do know that start menu software offers more features than just the old start menu, right?
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303047]I really don't understand you Windows 7 luddies, this is far tidier and more attractive...
[t]http://u.cubeupload.com/chrishind10/Screenshot140.png[/t]
Than this tacky, glossy vestigiary which uses unwieldy nested directories.
[img]http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/archive/winsupersite.com/content/content/128696/win7/vxp_18.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I'm a big fan of the stylistic shift, but I'm hesitant toward the aspects that seem like tablet software glued onto a desktop
They had better bring back quicklaunch
[img]http://www.petermartinconsult.supanet.com/computer/windows/quicklaunch/quick2.gif[/img]
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