[QUOTE=woolio1;45303931]Hey, Ezhik, just accept that Windows 8 doesn't work for some people. Since my PC is a gaming rig with a Steam library of over 120 games, some of which use frameworks like DirectDraw which aren't supported in Windows 8, it doesn't make sense for me to upgrade. I'm primarily a Mac user anyway, and I rarely see the Windows UI on the desktop. It's always hidden behind the Steam Big Picture UI.
Not everyone is you. Not everyone is in the same situation. Not everyone has $150 to throw at a license when what they've got works just fine. Stop trying to change everyone's mind, it isn't going to work, and it's just going to make people angry with you, and bitter about your cause.
(And yes, I've used Windows 8. Since the previews. The only reason I threw 7 back on my desktop is because I no longer use it for work or class. It didn't make sense for me to have a system that was incompatible with the very purpose of itself.)[/QUOTE]
there are reasons for sticking with older/different versions, i just don't see a not that major user interface change as one
[QUOTE=Banshee FrieNd;45303946]They had better bring back quicklaunch
[img]http://www.petermartinconsult.supanet.com/computer/windows/quicklaunch/quick2.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
You mean that thing that was integrated into the task bar in Windows Vista?
[QUOTE=Banshee FrieNd;45303946]They had better bring back quicklaunch
[img]http://www.petermartinconsult.supanet.com/computer/windows/quicklaunch/quick2.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Honestly I hope they make a Windows XP Shell, similar to the built-in Windows "Classic" (98) one. Now that XP is effectively dead, it would be nice for a lot of users, and a bit of a neat novelty otherwise.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;45303976]Honestly I hope they make a Windows XP Shell, similar to the built-in Windows "Classic" (98) one. Now that XP is effectively dead, it would be nice for a lot of users, and a bit of a neat novelty otherwise.[/QUOTE]Why? It's the ugliest of shells.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45303983]Why? It's the ugliest of shells.[/QUOTE]
You must've not known about the Olive theme
[t]http://www.computermuseum.co/Windows/XP/img/Luna-Olive-Green.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Ezhik;45303960]there are reasons for sticking with older/different versions, i just don't see a not that major user interface change as one[/QUOTE]
Oh. Well, then that's more up to personal preference. Honestly, I like the Start Screen... But I'm also running Steam BPM as a shell replacement. However, I understand that some people don't like it, for whatever reason, and have decided not to upgrade because of it.
However, people rarely make decisions based on one factor alone. With Windows, that "simple" upgrade takes time, will often break compatibility with older software, and costs a considerable amount of money. If they don't like the way it works, why go through the cost and hassle to upgrade if what they have right now works fine? Sure, they'll have to eventually, but why rush it if there's no pressing need?
[QUOTE=Scot;45303324]No, XP is shit.[/QUOTE]
After changing to 7 I don't even want to see XP anymore, I feel like 9 is going to be awful honestly. How are they going to integrate the metro bullshit for desktop users.
And they better bring the start menu back without that bloated tablet menu.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45303915]Are you two daft?
There's a difference between using third party software that improves upon existing system tools, and third party software that mimics old system tools created by microsoft years ago. It's like admitting they fucked up with the new version and that the best option is to go back.
Also, the GUI is incredibly important to the user experience, registry cleaners and unzipping software not so much.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=J!NX;45303925]That's really not the point though
none of those are naturally a part of the system in previous versions at all. The start menu is simply a natural part of all over versions outside of w8.
The same goes for shit that was in previous versions that is still persistent today.
Imagine if windows 9 all of a suddenly did not come with the defragmentor or onscreen keyboard, you have to use third party programs for that. No ones arguing for it to naturally do that shit, we're saying its a part of what the OS was, why remove it? Unless its truly outdated, and the start menu couldn't be outdated.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the point.
If you can't understand that downloading a program to bring back the start menu functionality isn't the same as installing a program to emulate DOS (DOSbox) or installing skins to make windows look like XP or installing modifications to make the taskbar act like Macintosh then you are honestly just butthurt at Windows for making a change and you can't accept it and just spend a fucking minute to download and install a program that fixes all of your complaints.
It's a fucking pointless argument to make that "wah wah, I have to download a program to fix a change I didn't like" and then call the system trash and bad for that reason. If you don't like it, fix it. That's like the core principle behind Windows. That's what it has always been loved for, the possibility to change and download and fix and tweak it the way you want it to be.
Who fucking cares if it was there in Windows 7? It isn't there in Windows 8. Install the program, fix it, no complaints, done. Tadah! It's there again, it's everything you love about Windows, and you changed it, you shoved those corporate assholes that you don't like what they did, and still took all of the added benefits of their new OS.
Stop being such crybabies over absolutely nothing. You can change it, fix it and get it your way, what fucking more do you seriously want? They even want to return the damn thing in Windows 9, you've already shown and told them what you want, there is no need to put up a front.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304014]That is exactly the point.
If you can't understand that downloading a program to bring back the start menu functionality isn't the same as installing a program to emulate DOS (DOSbox) or installing skins to make windows look like XP or installing modifications to make the taskbar act like Macintosh then you are honestly just butthurt at Windows for making a change and you can't accept it and just spend a fucking minute to download and install a program that fixes all of your complaints.
It's a fucking pointless argument to make that "wah wah, I have to download a program to fix a change I didn't like" and then call the system trash and bad for that reason. If you don't like it, fix it. That's like the core principle behind Windows. That's what it has always been loved for, the possibility to change and download and fix and tweak it the way you want it to be.
Who fucking cares if it was there in Windows 7? It isn't there in Windows 8. Install the program, fix it, no complaints, done. Tadah! It's there again, it's everything you love about Windows, and you changed it, you shoved those corporate assholes that you don't like what they did, and still took all of the added benefits of their new OS.
Stop being such crybabies over absolutely nothing. You can change it, fix it and get it your way, what fucking more do you seriously want? They even want to return the damn thing in Windows 9, you've already shown and told them what you want, there is no need to put up a front.[/QUOTE]
I'm not calling it trash though, I said myself many times I LOVE metro and windows 8
but if a sequal to a game removes a major mechanic I should not require a mod to get it back. (probably a super silly example but I just don't think a newer version of an OS should remove something as surprisingly major as the start menu)
thankfully both of our arguments are bullshit because windows 9 will have the start menu anyways, and I hope metro, too
MS should just add support for extensive skinning of the UI. Like proper skinning, not patching dlls and what not to get some color changes to work.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45304036]But if a sequal to a game removes a major mechanic I should not require a mod to get it back
thankfully both of our arguments are bullshit because windows 9 will have the start menu anyways, and I hope metro, too[/QUOTE]
You should require a mod to get it back because it was designed not to have it. By modding it you get it your way, not their way.
"oh no, somebody made the game even better and adjusted to my liking, I will absolutely not fucking purchase it even though it now has everything I want from it, meaning that I will definitely enjoy it now".
Do you even listen to yourself?
[QUOTE=J!NX;45304036]I'm not calling it trash though, I said myself many times I LOVE metro and windows 8
but if a sequal to a game removes a major mechanic I should not require a mod to get it back. (probably a super silly example but I just don't think a newer version of an OS should remove something as surprisingly major as the start menu)
thankfully both of our arguments are bullshit because windows 9 will have the start menu anyways, and I hope metro, too[/QUOTE]
it didn't remove anything
the functionality is the same
the design has changed
[QUOTE=Ezhik;45303874]enjoy using outdated software[/QUOTE]
Technically I do.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304042]You should require a mod to get it back because it was designed not to have it. By modding it you get it your way, not their way.
"oh fucking no, somebody made the game even better and adjusted to my liking, I will absolutely not fucking purchase it even though it now has everything I want from it".[/QUOTE]
When someone heavily mods a game and reviews it on the bias of the mods rather than what the game is (or in this case, OS) by nature, I call that a shitty review.
[QUOTE]somebody made the game even better and adjusted to my liking,[/QUOTE]
and yet I still fucking think they should have had start menu because for everyone else it [I]wasn't[/i] a good change. I'm not going to go and tell people they suck and metro is better, I think it is for ME. But Why should everyone else have to download it?
Because you know, unless they use a third party program they have to deal with it.
Classic shell and other similar programs weren't nearly as reliable as windows 7's start menu because it was tacked on, added more programs to my list that I shouldn't have needed and had a bunch of useless shit I didn't need.
CCLeaner is a decent addition that is good as third party because it lets them really optimize its use. But the start menu is very simple, it should be a part of the UI, not some fucking program I need just to have the start menu. I shouldn't have to update the start menu, too. start menu shouldn't NEED to be optimized, it should be a part of the OS to boot.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;45304062]it didn't remove anything
the functionality is the same
the design has changed[/QUOTE]
The functionality is the same but its very easy to see the difference, and it's too big of one to simply remove the start menu from the OS. For instance; drop down menus in the same fashion as windows 7. You have that with rightclicking the start button in metro, but you can't customize that at all.
if I had my way I'd prefer click for start menu and keyboard for metro.
I like Windows 8, it broke the cycle in my opinion.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45304072]When someone heavily mods a game and reviews it on the bias of the mods rather than what the game is (or in this case, OS) by nature, I call that a shitty review.[/QUOTE]
Yes because that would be wrong, because that's not a review of the game. But oh wait, the OS that you use to even use your computer isn't even a game, good thing installing programs is a part of the experience. Or should reviews about Windows not even touch on browser support, compatibility with Adobe software and such?
Also what does reviews of games have to do with a OS you use to even use your computer? You play games when you want and they're designed to give you a specific experience, you're forced to use the OS at all times just to do anything, they're just designed to be as flexible at allowing you to do what you want, which is where applications come in.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45304072]And yet I still fucking think they should have had start menu because for everyone else it [I]wasn't[/i] a good change.
Because you know, unless they use a third party program they have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
Dude, we're "all" in the same boat. The start screen is shitty, I hate it myself. So fucking what? An alternative exists, it's free, it takes seconds, it fixes your complaints. Just like Steam gives you a great way of sorting your gaming library Classic Shell gives you a great way of getting your start menu back. With exception of Steamwork games you don't actually need Steam to play games, you've just chosen to use it because you prefer that solution.
And boohoo, people are "stuck with it" unless they install a third party program like they do with [B]EVERYTHING ELSE[/B].
[QUOTE=J!NX;45304072]If I had my way I'd prefer click for start menu and keyboard for metro.[/QUOTE]
You can do that with Classic Shell. You can tell it to open Start Screen by pressing the Windows key, but when pressing the button you get the normal menu.
WHAT?! What is that? Is that even one more solution solved by this one single program that takes you only a minute to install and use and fix all of your problems?
Jeez, it sounds really shit that I have to install a program to get what I want, why can't Windows just give me everything I want?
[QUOTE=dgg;45304116]
Jeez, it sounds really shit that I have to install a program to get what I want, why can't Windows just give me everything I want?[/QUOTE]
If 7 can and 8 can't, why switch?
[QUOTE=dgg;45304116]Yes because that would be wrong, because that's not a review of the game. But oh wait, the OS that you use to even use your computer isn't even a game, good thing installing programs is a part of the experience. Or should reviews about Windows not even touch on browser support, compatibility with Adobe software and such?
Also what does reviews of games have to do with a OS you use to even use your computer? You play games when you want and they're designed to give you a specific experience, you're forced to use the OS at all times just to do anything, they're just designed to be as flexible at allowing you to do what you want, which is where applications come in.
Dude, we're "all" in the same boat. The start screen is shitty, I hate it myself. So fucking what? An alternative exists, it's free, it takes seconds, it fixes your complaints. Just like Steam gives you a great way of sorting your gaming library Classic Shell gives you a great way of getting your start menu back. With exception of Steamwork games you don't actually need Steam to play games, you've just chosen to use it because you prefer that solution.
And boohoo, people are "stuck with it" unless they install a third party program like they do with [B]EVERYTHING ELSE[/B].
You can do that with Classic Shell. You can tell it to open Start Screen by pressing the Windows key, but when pressing the button you get the normal menu.
WHAT?! What is that? Is that even one more solution solved by this one single program that takes you only a minute to install and use and fix all of your problems?
Jeez, it sounds really shit that I have to install a program to get what I want, why can't Windows just give me everything I want?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Classic shell and other similar programs weren't nearly as reliable as windows 7's start menu because it was tacked on, added more programs to my list that I shouldn't have needed and had a bunch of useless shit I didn't need.
CCLeaner is a decent addition that is good as third party because it lets them really optimize its use. But the start menu is very simple, it should be a part of the UI, not some fucking program I need just to have the start menu. I shouldn't have to update the start menu, too. start menu shouldn't NEED to be optimized, it should be a part of the OS to boot.[/QUOTE]
edited some shit on
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45304126]If 7 can and 8 can't, why switch?[/QUOTE]
Because 8 is better in every way.
Why did you switch from XP?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45304126]If 7 can and 8 can't, why switch?[/QUOTE]
Because you're using an [I][B]outdated [/B][/I]system that will lose support in only 6 years!!
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45303135]you don't need a full screen menu to open a program. just hit windows key, type in the name, hit enter[/QUOTE]
You say that as if it's a problem in the slightest.
So what if it fills the screen, what's the issue with that? When you open the start menu, [B]you focus on it until you've pressed something.[/B]
Really shit argument right there.
[editline]o[/editline]
Microsoft researched this shit, and the start screen was found to be more efficient [B]for mouse users[/B] when it comes to speed and accessibility to programs:
[url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx[/url]
What needs fixing are the unfinished / not very functional new configuration and settings screens.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304133]Because 8 is better in every way.
Why did you switch from XP?[/QUOTE]
I have used windows 8 and outside of liking metro, there seriously feels like very little difference.
it's pretty fucking arrogant to state that really. I really like windows 8 but even I found it to be less stable on a high end gaming rig than windows 7.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304116]And boohoo, people are "stuck with it" unless they install a third party program like they do with [B]EVERYTHING ELSE[/B].[/QUOTE]
Good thing windows 7 came with ccleaner, unlike windows 8
oh... wait a minute. Neither ever have had that ever... Start menu on the other hand.
[QUOTE=Coment;45304136]Because you're using an [I][B]outdated [/B][/I]system that will lose support in only 6 years!![/QUOTE]
You're on 7, I can't tell if serious or satire.
8 Is better in every way, drivers, explorer features, file copying, less resource usage.
The only "bad" thing to some people is the start menu but it takes two minutes to install a classic menu.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303047]I really don't understand you Windows 7 luddies, this is far tidier and more attractive...
[t]http://u.cubeupload.com/chrishind10/Screenshot140.png[/t]
Than this tacky, glossy vestigiary which uses unwieldy nested directories.
[img]http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/archive/winsupersite.com/content/content/128696/win7/vxp_18.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
only problem ive had with 8 is that finding the correct menu to fiddle with some setting that you'll only have to open once can be hard to locate, and the metro interface on the important windows like the internet config screen are infuriating
[QUOTE=reevezy67;45304152]8 Is better in every way, drivers, explorer features, file copying, less resource usage.
The only "bad" thing to some people is the start menu but it takes two minutes to install a classic menu.[/QUOTE]
Drivers are better? For shit that supports 8 maybe, for the rest, not really.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;45304152]8 Is better in every way, drivers, explorer features, file copying, less resource usage.
The only "bad" thing to some people is the start menu but it takes two minutes to install a classic menu.[/QUOTE]
Better drivers? That's a laugh.
You should be a comedian.
Search is far better in windows 8 but for me that really ends there. Aesthetics I prefer however this is purely opinion based. Menu's are better but for what its worth, it's still not that much better.
[QUOTE=Coment;45304136]Because you're using an [I][B]outdated [/B][/I]system that will lose support in only 6 years!![/QUOTE]
Okay well Microsoft has 6 years to create an OS that convinces me to switch. Most people are already on Win7 and they are simply resistant to change, until it's not supported there has be a real improvement of OS functionality for anybody to switch.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45303309]I don't understand why you want to use either of them :v:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xLOiaWn.png?1[/t]
Windows does a whole lot of dumb shit... I don't understand why anyone would put up with it.[/QUOTE]
All the different WMs out there, and you pick Unity? Xmonad is clearly the superior window manager.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45304162]Drivers are better? For shit that supports 8 maybe, for the rest, not really.[/QUOTE]
Initially it broke compatibility with a few things as with any new release, but it also improved compatibility for a lot of hardware, printers especially. Now that everything is catching up to 8 it's better in my opinion.
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