• Windows 9 Hinted to Win Over Windows 7 Users
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[QUOTE=Coment;45304483]As much as I disagree with the Metro fullscreen, I hope it stays as an option (which would've been the solution since day 1, Microsoft, all the shit you wouldn't have had to take just by adding a fucking checkbox). I understand that you like it, and I wouldn't like you to be uncomfortable on W9, just as as I wouldn't like to be uncomfortable on W8. Really, all of this could've been fixed so soon by giving users the choice, just like they already do with themes.[/QUOTE] If people had a choice to change styles on Facepunch when it got updated with new looks they would have gone for the old look despite the new look actually being better. Man, the amount of panties that has been put in a bunch from the changes on Facepunch, and how much people actually liked them way much more after they got used to them and looked back on how it used to look. You can't bring change to anything if you keep the old as an option, unless it is objectively superior in every way.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304497]If people had a choice to change styles on Facepunch when it got updated with new looks they would have gone for the old look despite the new look actually being better. Man, the amount of panties that has been put in a bunch from the changes on Facepunch, and how much people actually liked them way much more after they got used to them and looked back on how it used to look. You can't bring change to anything if you keep the old as an option, unless it is objectively superior in every way.[/QUOTE] Or you can just make so the "old" option is always available, but only so far as one iteration behind the next current revision, so diehards can move up at a slower pace and ease into things. Also Metro isn't better. It's better if you're using a tablet or something but it's a lot of wasted time and space with a keyboard and mouse setup. Metro and the classic desktop are two different interfaces for different types of devices, it's not something they should've been pushing on ALL PC users. Imagine if Apple's next version of OSX was just a larger version of the iOS interface, it would be fucking ridiculous. Funnily enough, that's what happened with Windows 8, it was based on a smartphone interface.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45304513]Or you can just make so the "old" option is always available, but only so far as one iteration behind the next current revision, so diehards can move up at a slower pace and ease into things.[/QUOTE] And totally disregard the fact that the diehards will not experience the change and thus it will be impossible to tell if people liked the new change, and the people that decided to stick with the change likes it and then maybe they decided the new change was good and they go for an improved version of that next time and then the old option is gone that the diehards used and now they are stuck with something they absolutely hate and keeps hating for years. Right... that would be the worst solution possible.
I don't see how metro can do anything better than the start menu except being bigger and looking pretty. It's just something they added to cater to "family homes" so it'll sell more. Usually people experienced with computers knows where to find their stuff. The reason there's an uproar is because it seems like it'll replace your standard desktop, which i see no reason for it to do. I have everything I need on my desktop and if there's anything specific I want I just use the explorer and get to it fairly quickly since I know how to find it unlike an inexperienced person might. Just because the start menu is redundant doesn't mean they need a replacement, it's kinda pointless to argue about anyway since you don't need to use either. What I really don't understand is why I should switch to W8. All I'm ever hearing is it's "faster" and "better" but how really? I don't give a shit about booting a few seconds faster or some useless performance boost here and there which doesn't get noticed except for on paper. I've heard nothing about it that's enough to win me over except for paying for some aesthetics.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304467]Good thing we have Compatibility modes and people with solutions on the internet. You aren't honestly trying to say that Windows 7 runs old games flawlessly? Yeah sure W8 may have more/different problems with really old games, but that's just a sign of technological progress if anything. Get rid of that old junk that just piles up to have ancient support. The best solution has always been to just install a Virtual Machine with XP or W98 anyways, we're all just too lazy to bother. 1 program is 80 gigs worth of windowsblinds bullcrap? Huh, that's news to me. People sure like to exaggerate when they hate things (I'm not an exception).[/QUOTE] Except the compatibility modes don't work, otherwise the solution is rather obvious. Also nice attempt at blanketing an entire issue of compatibility with "VM is 100% compatible". No, no it isn't; not even remotely and we haven't begun to cover hundreds of thousands of small business and custom corporate apps that are simply broken from hell to breakfast with no support or contigency. [quote] giant wall of misappropriated condescension about the UI [/quote] I don't give a shit about the UI as long as it works. I do give a shit about the complete disruption workflow and accuracy in older software and apps that worked perfectly fine with the right referencing that adds virtually nothing to the stack overhead or efficiency. For someone whining about close minded simpletons unfairly decrying your precious castle Octantis, you're a doing a dead on impression yourself.
[QUOTE=dgg;45304497]If people had a choice to change styles on Facepunch when it got updated with new looks they would have gone for the old look despite the new look actually being better. Man, the amount of panties that has been put in a bunch from the changes on Facepunch, and how much people actually liked them way much more after they got used to them and looked back on how it used to look. You can't bring change to anything if you keep the old as an option, unless it is objectively superior in every way.[/QUOTE] I can't really say it applies. These forums are not a paid product, and garry does whatever the fuck he wants. By example, he also removed tables. They were objetively better at aligning things than... nothing. He didn't keep the old as an option, though. Also, it isn't that much better if they're doing another version for the (we can assume)big amount of users that requested it. We're talking about a new OS. That costs money; Microsoft must've done a lot of stats to decide "yep, it's worth it". Wouldn't you count that as "objectively superior in every way", since they're 'keeping the old (as an option)', by your own post ?
[QUOTE=dgg;45304536]And totally disregard the fact that the diehards will not experience the change and thus it will be impossible to tell if people liked the new change, and the people that decided to stick with the change likes it and then maybe they decided the new change was good and they go for an improved version of that next time and then the old option is gone that the diehards used and now they are stuck with something they absolutely hate and keeps hating for years. Right... that would be the worst solution possible.[/QUOTE] Well seeing as how you're a special snowflake and all there must be others like you who are more adaptive to change.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45303058]It's not really faster in anything that matters. If you're on w7, there is no reason at all to upgrade to 8.[/QUOTE] We're fucking 7 months into 2014, why can people not understand this yet? There is absolutely no reason to throw down 100$ for software when the current one you have is SUPPORTED AND FULLY FUNCTIONING. Keeping Windows 7 instead of upgrading to 8 isn't being stubborn or stupid, it's being smart. You diehard W8 4lyfe fans are acting like W7 is WinXP/Vista SP1 or something. [editline]5th July 2014[/editline] If you're building a new rig, then choosing 7 over 8 is where I can see not choosing 8 "stupid" or "stubborn"
I've been using windows 8 for the past few months now. Got no issues with it.
I rarely use the startmenu in windows 7 or 8 anyways. I coudlnt care less about the startmenu.
Been using Windows 8 since the consumer preview, I think 8.1 really got rid of all the flaws I had before I'd still like the start menu to be a little compacted but honestly I find the search function faster than 7
[QUOTE=Kagu;45304742]We're fucking 7 months into 2014, why can people not understand this yet? There is absolutely no reason to throw down 100$ for software when the current one you have is SUPPORTED AND FULLY FUNCTIONING. Keeping Windows 7 instead of upgrading to 8 isn't being stubborn or stupid, it's being smart. You diehard W8 4lyfe fans are acting like W7 is WinXP/Vista SP1 or something. [editline]5th July 2014[/editline] If you're building a new rig, then choosing 7 over 8 is where I can see not choosing 8 "stupid" or "stubborn"[/QUOTE] And "diehard" win7 fans are acting as if win8 is still in a pre-release state or something
[QUOTE=.Lain;45303318]i like os x where i can spotlight find anything without having to cover my entire screen[/QUOTE] You can do a similar thing in 8.1 (WinKey+Q) [t]http://i.imgur.com/S1132dz.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303047]I really don't understand you Windows 7 luddies, this is far tidier and more attractive... [t]http://u.cubeupload.com/chrishind10/Screenshot140.png[/t] Than this tacky, glossy vestigiary which uses unwieldy nested directories. [img]http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/archive/winsupersite.com/content/content/128696/win7/vxp_18.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Sure it is. It's also more of a pain in the ass to use. [editline]6th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=rampageturke 2;45304863]And "diehard" win7 fans are acting as if win8 is still in a pre-release state or something[/QUOTE] Sorry I'd rather be able to play Gunpoint and launch Origin, two things my friend couldn't do until he "downgraded" back to Win7.
[QUOTE=gk99;45305773] Sorry I'd rather be able to play Gunpoint and launch Origin, two things my friend couldn't do until he "downgraded" back to Win7.[/QUOTE] Because he had a knackered install and took the brute force method of reinstalling Windows. Of course it would have fixed it. The only game I've had legitimate issues was GTA IV and that's because of GFWL's shittiness being amplified by being unsupported on Windows 8. But even then, it wasn't a Windows 8 exclusive issue because it runs on my Win8 laptop just fine.
[QUOTE=Scot;45303343]why in the fuck would you want a gif as a background[/QUOTE] You don't? there could be some really cool 1080p animated gifs around.
[QUOTE=dgg;45303086]Who uses the directories?[/QUOTE] I do. The search is great, if you are on the keyboard already. if I'm already gripping the mouse, it takes longer to move my hand back and forth than to hit the windows key with my left hand, and click 3 or 4 times. And before you say, just pin it all to your screen. I can't. Not unless I want 10x10 squares covering my entire screen. Hierarchical structures are more efficient for accessing large numbers of anything. Period. You cannot debate that. Don't have a billion applications? Fine. Suit yourself. Run whatever floats your boat.
[QUOTE=spectator1;45305964]You don't? there could be some really cool 1080p animated gifs around.[/QUOTE] It's distracting as hell and can take up a good chunk of memory if it's running 24/7
[QUOTE=redsoxrock;45304222]Because they refuse to adapt?[/QUOTE] You know how Facebook and YouTube are constantly given major UI overhauls, and despite everyone bitching about them when they happen, the shitstorm always ends after a week or so? It's been almost 2 years since Windows 8 was released now, and the majority of the market is still resisting. There are reasons why people refuse to switch besides stubbornness Metro is not made for desktop computers with mice and keyboards in-mind, it is designed for touch screens (and in the case of the Xbone, controllers). Imagine the inverse scenario; imagine using tablet where the home screen behaves exactly how you'd expect, but the application list and settings force you to use an emulated mouse cursor. Now imagine that both of these menus only take up a small portion of the screen, forcing you to awkwardly scroll through the list with a stupidly unfitting set of controls. What works well for one platform doesn't necessarily work well for another.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45306032]I do. The search is great, if you are on the keyboard already. if I'm already gripping the mouse, it takes longer to move my hand back and forth than to hit the windows key with my left hand, and click 3 or 4 times. And before you say, just pin it all to your screen. I can't. Not unless I want 10x10 squares covering my entire screen. Hierarchical structures are more efficient for accessing large numbers of anything. Period. You cannot debate that. Don't have a billion applications? Fine. Suit yourself. Run whatever floats your boat.[/QUOTE] I just type my commands as I find it more frustrating to actually look through lists to find what program I'm looking for. Much faster to do win key calc or win key wo (Word) and I type those one handed.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45303135]you don't need a full screen menu to open a program. just hit windows key, type in the name, hit enter[/QUOTE] Win+S [t]http://5crat.ch/a/fj9d[/t] [QUOTE=Amiga OS;45303147]You don't need a menu to open a program, just hit win + r, type in the name, hit enter. [/QUOTE] That's fucking stupid
The only reason I haven't gotten a more recent version of Windows yet is because I can't be arsed to format and all that. I guess I'll do so once I upgrade the hardware too.
Oh, boy, another one of [I]these[/I] threads. If you own Windows 7, don't pay full price for Windows 8. It's not worth it, dingus. I got it during that short time when you were able to nab a 7 -> 8 upgrade for $15. Fuck yeah, that's worth it. If you have an option of either 7 or 8, go for 8 you daft dingus. It [I]is[/I] better. Marginally, but better. For people who have issues finding stuff: stop using your muscle memory. Windows 8 is simpler than any other Windows OS, everything is right there in basic words and simple colors. Want your more technically stuff, like regedit and control panel and whatever hacking doohickeys you youngsters want? Just search for it just like you would in 7. Right there, and it never left. Liked being able to click the start menu, and open up your documents right there, and hate the Start Screen? Well, shit outta luck, and honestly, that's a bit of a isolated indecent, especially since you can get there in the same amount of clicks: start file explorer via the task bar, then click "documents" in the left sidebar. Don't like Metro UI? Alright, your time is it is minimal: however long it takes for you to search for that thing you wanted to find. Like it? Great, that makes two of us. TL;DR: holy fuck stop bickering
Why not just include fucking both and have it as an option to shut up both parties
please include better dpi scaling please include better dpi scaling please include better dpi scaling please include better dpi scaling
OH for the love of Christ we JUST switched all of our end users over to Windows 7. We had people on XP six DAYS before the security deadline who were still asking if they could stay on it if they just didn't connect to the network.
[QUOTE=gk99;4530577] Sorry I'd rather be able to play Gunpoint and launch Origin, two things my friend couldn't do until he "downgraded" back to Win7.[/QUOTE] Oh no 2 isolated problems
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;45306259]please include better dpi scaling please include better dpi scaling please include better dpi scaling please include better dpi scaling[/QUOTE] Why isn't this being talked about more? Has anyone else seen what windows fonts look like on 4k monitors? No? Let me tell you then. Ass. Absolute ass. Either everything is goddam tiny, or next to nothing aligns correctly.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;45304453]Why do these threads always turn into shit flinging contests. Some people like Metro, that's fine, some people hate metro, that's fine too. Can't we all just agree that an option to use either the classic start menu or metro would be a good compromise for W9?[/QUOTE] It is because both parties want the other to acknowledge how and why their choices are superior and how they made the right the choice. In the end no one fucking cares about anyone else's arguments and just wait for the opportunity to convince other people that their logic is superior to everyone else. It has stopped being a proper discussion of various pros and cons of the old style UI and Metro a long time ago. The way people have been defending W7 and W8 in this thread, you would think they were being paid to get people to either upgrade to W8 or downgrade to W7.
[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;45306921]I prefer Windows 8's Metro theme over Windows 7's Aero theme, but I dislike how Windows 8 forces their Metro screen on the user and how important Windows features like Start Menu are cut, and don't get me started about the Windows Store...[/QUOTE] You don't have to use the store and metro isn't exactly forced on anyone.
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