[QUOTE=Ridge;40211838]So everyone under 25 was basically partying because someone did something that they never experienced is dead?
Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Two things.
They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.
But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major, it's the reason corporations get away with underpaying people while earning fuckloads, it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud. All they care about is producing profit and Thatcherism gave them a window to do whatever it takes even when it fucks everyone else over. She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out. Everything I just listed has contributed to the probably endless recession we're trapped in. There's so much more than this but I'm just way too tired to go on. Besides, surely this is enough.
Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.
I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;40213385]Two things.
They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.
But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major, it's the reason corporations get away with underpaying people while earning fuckloads, it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud. All they care about is producing profit and Thatcherism gave them a window to do whatever it takes even when it fucks everyone else over. She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out. Everything I just listed has contributed to the probably endless recession we're trapped in. There's so much more than this but I'm just way too tired to go on. Besides, surely this is enough.
Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.
I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
So then how is the earlier comment someone made of "Don't talk to me about something you didn't live through" in reference to a young Thatcher supporter at all valid?
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;40213385]Two things.
They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.
But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major, it's the reason corporations get away with underpaying people while earning fuckloads, it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud. All they care about is producing profit and Thatcherism gave them a window to do whatever it takes even when it fucks everyone else over. She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out. Everything I just listed has contributed to the probably endless recession we're trapped in. There's so much more than this but I'm just way too tired to go on. Besides, surely this is enough.
Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.
I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
And how do you think the UK would be now if it was still paying out billion dollar a year subsidies to coal mines? Not having the desire, nor the money to research alternative energy like it has. Assuming the country survived as long as it did were it paying for these mines to be losing money hand over fist.
The coal industry was already dying. She cut off the infected limb before it took the rest of the body with it. Yeah, it hurt a lot of people. But it spared the entirety of Britain from following a similar fate.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40213383][QUOTE=NoDachi]skulls for the skull throne[/QUOTE]blood for the blood god[/QUOTE]
Milk for the Kho- oh wait
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40204937][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s[/media][/QUOTE]
"itll be the first time the 21 gun salute shoots the coffin" :v:
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;40213385]Two things.
They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.
But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major, it's the reason corporations get away with underpaying people while earning fuckloads, it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud. All they care about is producing profit and Thatcherism gave them a window to do whatever it takes even when it fucks everyone else over. She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out. Everything I just listed has contributed to the probably endless recession we're trapped in. There's so much more than this but I'm just way too tired to go on. Besides, surely this is enough.
Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.
I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
Thatcherism gave birth to the 'loads of money' culture, her policies and economics made Britain incredibly rich and gave Britain a huge boom on the world stage. The public sector from the 70's was a fucking disaster which is why most of the services were turned private and as a result since then have significantly improved, something people forget. Public sector is a joke, always has been. Every time we see Labour get into power they pump a lot of money and workers into public sector, why? Because they're Labour votes and they know the Tories will cut their jobs due to the amount debt they bring.
In fact Thatcherism was so good for the country economically that New Labour basically became a carbon copy of it.
Thatcher did what had to be done, the ends justified the means.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;40213385]Two things.
They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.
But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major, it's the reason corporations get away with underpaying people while earning fuckloads, it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud. All they care about is producing profit and Thatcherism gave them a window to do whatever it takes even when it fucks everyone else over. She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out. Everything I just listed has contributed to the probably endless recession we're trapped in. There's so much more than this but I'm just way too tired to go on. Besides, surely this is enough.
Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.
I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for saying this, saved me the trouble.
[QUOTE=cueballv2themax;40211190]The party in Glasgow was fucking amazing.
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Notice how young they are? just a bunch of kids who suddenly think they know everything about politics who weren't even alive when she was in power
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;40213385]Two things.
They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.
But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major, it's the reason corporations get away with underpaying people while earning fuckloads, it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud. All they care about is producing profit and Thatcherism gave them a window to do whatever it takes even when it fucks everyone else over. She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out. Everything I just listed has contributed to the probably endless recession we're trapped in. There's so much more than this but I'm just way too tired to go on. Besides, surely this is enough.
Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.
I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
Here we go;
[quote]They can still know how bad something was even if they weren't there as has been mentioned here sooo many times.[/quote]
Things were worse in the 70s. 3-day working week, power-cuts, winter of discontent, IMF bailout, 'sick man of Europe' - ring any bells?
[quote]But more importantly, we're living in the product of a Thatcherite world. Her economic attitude of 'let corporations do whatever the fuck they want and run everything' is the reason we all get shitty experiences with our transport, our gas, our electric, our phone services or any other service that was designed to be public that was privatized under her or Major[/quote]
Yes a [I]product[/I] of a Thatcherite world, but had Thatcher remained in power from 1990 - 2013 she would not have done vast swathes of the things that Major, Brown, Blair or Cameron have. Her economic attitude was not letting corporations do what they want, it was of a free market - something which was considered 'extreme right' in the 70s. She modernised Britain's economy from inefficient, loss-making, union crippled industries which only survived from government subsidies.
British Rail was diabolical, gas and electricity were a luxury given all the power cuts in the 70s and 80s, B.T was a complete joke too - also Privatisation was not just the handing over of services to 'rich people', shares in the services were sold to the people that worked there, just like how social houses were sold to the people that lived in them.
[quote] it's the reason that the amount of money lost from business tax evasion is millions more than that lost from benefit fraud.[/quote]
Uhh, what? Tax evasion is against the law, millions are not lost in it.
[quote]She's the reason millions lost and are still losing their jobs in the public sector as it's slowly phased out[/quote]
The public sector back in the 70s included the car industry, the steel industry, the mining industry - things that are not exactly a public service. "Millions" of people are losing jobs in the public sector still because it's bloated and inefficient. The public sector is not being phased out nor was it ever intended to be by anyone ever. Margaret Thatcher believed that there was a distinction between services provided by the state and services provided by the private sector - hence why she didn't privatise the NHS or education system.
[quote]Thatcher's effects weren't only felt in the 70s. We still feel them hard today and it's enough to get anyone's blood pumping.[/quote]
Barely, Thatcher was just a minister in the 70s, she was elected as Prime Minister in May 1979.
[quote]I mean, damn, I would have killed for some free milk when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
And you would have got it, up to the age of 7. Milk was withdrawn because children over that age weren't drinking it.
I apologize for my ignorance, but I know little to nothing about this lady. Could someone please give me as unbiased an opinion as they can muster and explain who and what this woman did?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;40216485]I apologize for my ignorance, but I know little to nothing about this lady. Could someone please give me as unbiased an opinion as they can muster and explain who and what this woman did?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11518331[/url]
Something to note about the coal mines
[URL="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/historical-coal-data-coal-production-availability-and-consumption-1853-to-2011"]Coal output (deep mined in UK) 1983 - 102m tonnes from 170 deep mines; 148,000 employed.
(NCB figures) 1986- 90m tonnes from 110 deep mines; 91,000 employed.[/URL]
Shows how marginal many of the mines were and how farcically over-manned the industry was per ton of output.
Result: Very expensive coal. A nationalised electricity industry forced to use this, therefore very expensive electricity. And therefore very expensive steel and hence insupportable cost base for steel products, with inefficiencies factored in at each stage via intransigent Communist-led Unions. A triumph of the Socialist 'planned economy'.
[QUOTE=Ridge;40211838]So everyone under 25 was basically partying because someone did something that they never experienced is dead?
Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
A lot of the political seeds and cunty ideas she planted continue to grow and to be implemented to this day.
[QUOTE=Vasili;40216546]Something to note about the coal mines
Coal output (deep mined in UK) 1983 - 102m tonnes from 170 deep mines; 148,000 employed.
(NCB figures) 1986- 90m tonnes from 110 deep mines; 91,000 employed.
Shows how marginal many of the mines were and how farcically over-manned the industry was per ton of output.
Result: Very expensive coal. A nationalised electricity industry forced to use this, therefore very expensive electricity. And therefore very expensive steel and hence insupportable cost base for steel products, with inefficiencies factored in at each stage via intransigent Communist-led Unions. A triumph of the Socialist 'planned economy'.[/QUOTE]
It simply had to die, no matter what trade unionists argued.
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[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40216572]A lot of the political seeds and cunty ideas she planted continue to grow and to be implemented to this day.[/QUOTE]
Like economic stability.
At the expense of the poorest.
She broke gender barriers by becoming a hand maiden of the patriarchy... how wonderful!
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40216583]At the expense of the poorest.[/quote]
How would have you solved it?
[quote]She broke gender barriers by becoming a hand maiden of the patriarchy... how wonderful![/QUOTE]
I still think she had bigger balls than most men in politics. She stuck to her guns and had a clear idea of what to do (even if it divided public opinion).
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40216583]At the expense of the poorest.
She broke gender barriers by becoming a hand maiden of the patriarchy... how wonderful![/QUOTE]
Between 1979 and 1990 she increased the GDP per capita by 30%
[img]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-kingdom-gdp-per-capita.png?s=gbrnygdppcapkd&d1=19790101&d2=19900430[/img]
There was no real increase in unemployment over her time in office
[img]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-kingdom-unemployment-rate.png?s=ukueilor&d1=19790101&d2=19900430[/img]
Productivity continually increased as well:
[img]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-kingdom-productivity.png?s=unitedkinpro&d1=19790101&d2=19900430[/img]
The wealth gap increased but the poor didn't get poorer. As she herself famously said 'you would rather have the poor poorer, provided the rich were less rich'
At the time Thatcher took power Britain was behind Italy economically.
Oh in that case she did a great job.
Would it be right to compare her to Gorbachev who essentially did the same thing by amputating the infected limb rather than letting it rot?
Labour shouldn't have nationalized the railways and heavy industry in the 1940s tbh.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40216705]Labour shouldn't have nationalized the railways and heavy industry in the 1940s tbh.[/QUOTE]
They couldn't be stopped, they were left to run the country whilst Churchill was fighting the war. Any opposition to Labour's nationalisation was met with 'don't you know there's a war on?'. Interesting period in British history given the nationalisation of many industries and the rationing of supplies..
nice comment from BBC article
[QUOTE]As divisive in death as she was in life. Thatcher's passing has re-opened many old wounds that perhaps the BBC mistakenly thought were long healed. Thatcher's policies led directly to the social, economic and political mess we are living with in Britain today.
The big bang was only over going to result in a big bust that we will be paying for over the coming decades.
She will not be forgotten.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-british-prime-minister-thatcher-dies.html[/url]
[quote]Maybe she was going to support Nigel Farage on the UK leaving the EU, which is why the Elites assassinated her[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bobie;40217255][url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-british-prime-minister-thatcher-dies.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Considering Farage was only 26 when she left office, I doubt it. Although, she deeply regretted signing the Single European Act, was coerced into joing the ERM and was an opponent to German re-unification - so undoubtedly would have held similar views.
[quote]Oh well, human, reptoid, archon, death will find you all. And in the end you will have to face your actions.[/quote]
Can't say I'll miss her.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40216576]
Like economic stability.[/QUOTE]
In a post 2008 world, I don't call an economy centered around the City 'stable'. Certainly not for us common folk.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40217464]In a post 2008 world, I don't call an economy centered around the City 'stable'. Certainly not for us common folk.[/QUOTE]
The City is doing well and is hugely beneficial for the UK economy. The banking crisis could have wrought absolute havoc on the economy but it didn't.
Barclays and HSBC managed to find their own source of capital injection in the crisis - RBS, HBOS and Northern Rock relied on the government's bank rescue package.
Northern Rock, based in Yorkshire, failed due to it's exposure to US sub prime mortgages. HBOS, based in Edinburgh, failed due to catastrophic management errors that would have led to collapse [I]without[/I] the financial crisis. RBS, based in Edinburgh, was weak following the overpaid purchase of ABN AMRO - the main problems were retail, not investment as is widely believed.
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Also Thatcherism was not continued under Labour, as Thatcher would not have advocated rampant public spending or bailing out of banks, to name but a few policies that went wrong.
I don't have a strong personal opinion on her since I wasn't born when she came into power.
The situation wasn't working at that time, and decisive decisions has to be taken and she did. Which is good. But she took the gun from the trade unions and give it to the City bosses, basically turning Britain into the City-State of London and her Dominions. Now this financial "industry" she create and the Right-Wing championed so much now requires government bailout. Oh the irony! And we have to because they're holding the gun.
Foreign policy wasn't stellar too. It's brutish and lacks finesse. Who the bloody hell would think of invading Germany to prevent its unification? The Iron Lady. Its foreign affairs are a mirror of America's and it supported awful governments. For whatever strategic reason? I don't know. Falklands was a failure. It's a war that should have not occurred. Thankfully, the current government learn this time around and deploys a good amount of force there.
She was a mediocre leader that was hype by the Right and made into a bogeyman by the Left.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40217464]In a post 2008 world, I don't call an economy centered around the City 'stable'. Certainly not for us common folk.[/QUOTE]
How would have you fixed the problems afflicting Britain in 1979 then?
You have a country that's in economic decline, has to keep borrowing money, and is keeping a lot of unprofitable industries ongoing.
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