[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40205605]I've never understood this idea that just because someone dies, anything horrible they may have done in their life should be overlooked or ignored. They we should only sing praise of their name and put them on a pedestal.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying that we should glorify her, just that celebrating her death is ridiculous
If you put the stress on the second word, "The Iron Lady" sounds like some kind of Bloody Mary type figure who uses a hot iron to burn the faces of children who misbehave.
[QUOTE=butt2089;40205648]No one is saying that we should glorify her, just that celebrating her death is ridiculous[/QUOTE]
This pretty much, it's like throwing a party because Rumsfeld passed away.
[QUOTE=Reimu;40205662]This pretty much, it's like throwing a party because Rumsfeld passed away.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone here is actually throwing a party tonight.
[QUOTE=gnisasas;40205593]If people hated her so much, how did she manage to stay in power for 11 years?
Really curious about this[/QUOTE]
Because she also made a few people very rich very quickly. See: Essex.
[QUOTE=Drakehawke;40205634]At the end of the day she was just someones grandmother suffering heavily from Alzheimer's, her political side has been long dead, celebrate her death if you want but it's a) pointless and b) tasteless.[/QUOTE]
the problem people still have with her is that david cameron is thatcherite and her fuckups are still causing repercussions throughout both this country and the entire world. look at argentina, they're constantly muscle-flexing over when they're going to invade the falklands next.
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do i need to go into the intricacies of the Falklands? i'll quote an argentine poet. "Like two bald men fighting over a comb"
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i myself am not celebrating but i hope this puts an end to her policies and i definitely shan't miss her
She wasn't already dead? She was hated by so many people, I guess being incredibly conservative does that during a huge workers movement.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205692]the problem people still have with her is that david cameron is thatcherite and her fuckups are still causing repercussions throughout both this country and the entire world. look at argentina, they're constantly muscle-flexing over when they're going to invade the falklands next.
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do i need to go into the intricacies of the Falklands? i'll quote an argentine poet. "Like two bald men fighting over a comb"[/QUOTE]
I don't see the issue with the Falklands, we had them for over 150 years then Argentina invaded them, that's not her fault? Everyone there wants to stay British and Argentina aren't actually going to invade, it's all just talk.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205692]i myself am not celebrating but i hope this puts an end to her policies and i definitely shan't miss her[/QUOTE]
I doubt they will, considering that she's been out of power for over 20 years except some of her policies are still being followed.
the problem people have with them is that diplomatic corners were not explored when it comes to the Falklands. especially with the sinking of the Belgrano, which was moving directly away from the no-go zone and was sunk in anger despite this fact.
She was fit
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205692]the problem people still have with her is that david cameron is thatcherite and her fuckups are still causing repercussions throughout both this country and the entire world. look at argentina, they're constantly muscle-flexing over when they're going to invade the falklands next.[/QUOTE]
The Falklands isn't really what people hate her over is it? I guess obviously the Argentinians but the people of the Falklands support British rule and the British don't like to be bossed around. Isn't all the hate because of the cutting of many social social programs, the lowering of wages and the allowing of unemployment to explode without any intervention?
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205754]the problem people have with them is that diplomatic corners were not explored when it comes to the Falklands. especially with the sinking of the Belgrano, which was moving directly away from the no-go zone and was sunk in anger despite this fact.[/QUOTE]
No. The UK and Argentina were having talks mediated by the UN prior to the war, the resolution of these talks was that Argentina had absolutely no claim - that is when they invaded.
The Belgrano and several other ships were moving away from the exclusion-zone and then re-entering it repeatedly with the aim that it would come in to attack British ships. The decision was made to sink it because it was a genuine threat.
This just in: Thatcher found 'Fit for work' by DWP
As an American I always thought she did good things for yall.
But thats just because I saw a copy of "The Iron Lady" on a shelf at Wal-Mart
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205754]the problem people have with them is that diplomatic corners were not explored when it comes to the Falklands. especially with the sinking of the Belgrano, which was moving directly away from the no-go zone and was sunk in anger despite this fact.[/QUOTE]
Never mind that Argentina had already invaded.
I.e they had already violated the no-go zone and were sending in the navy to run around and be cocks.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205754]the problem people have with them is that diplomatic corners were not explored when it comes to the Falklands. especially with the sinking of the Belgrano, which was moving directly away from the no-go zone and was sunk in anger despite this fact.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Wikipedia]On May 1, 1982, Admiral Juan Lombardo ordered all Argentine naval units to seek out the British task force around the Falklands and launch a “massive attack” the following day. The Belgrano, which was outside the exclusion zone to the north, was ordered south. Lombardo’s signal was intercepted by British Intelligence. As a result Mrs Thatcher and her War Cabinet, meeting at Chequers the following day, agreed to a request from Admiral Sir Terence Lewin, the Chief of the Defence Staff, to alter the rules of engagement and allow an attack on the Belgrano outside the exclusion zone.[6][/quote]
Makes sense to me?
[QUOTE=Crumpet;40204839]Holy shit whats up with you guys. I could understand if she killed thousands of children or something fucked up like that but you can't be happy about someone dying of a stroke nor should you wish death on them
fucked up[/QUOTE]
good job being a hippy im sure you'll go to heaven when you die now
[QUOTE=gnisasas;40205593]If people hated her so much, how did she manage to stay in power for 11 years?
Really curious about this[/QUOTE]
I would like to learn the answer to this as well.
[QUOTE=Fetret;40205841]I would like to learn the answer to this as well.[/QUOTE]
She won elections consistently.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40205464]That isn't godwin.
You can't just go 'LOL GODWIN' every time you see the world Hitler and pretend you even understand Godwins law.[/QUOTE]
The Wikipedia article for Godwin's says that whenever someone is discussing something, Hitler or something else about the Nazis is inevitable.
[QUOTE=lemongrapes;40205679]Because she also made a few people very rich very quickly. See: Essex.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40205869]She won elections consistently.[/QUOTE]
But how? was the demographic of england divided by 60% rich fucks and 40% poor fucks?
Perhaps events like the Falklands War gave her approval at the right times?
It's a shame her mark will remain on policy even after death.
There is such thing as society, bitch.
I'm not one to revel or celebrate ones death but she caused so much misery to so many people even excluding the whole Poll Tax fiasco and Miner's Strikes. I won't be mourning her.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;40205899]The Wikipedia article for Godwin's says that whenever someone is discussing something, Hitler or something else about the Nazis is inevitable.[/QUOTE]
[I]"A comparison"[/I].
That is the crucial difference. Its like you didn't even read the Usage section your wiki article.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40205754]the problem people have with them is that diplomatic corners were not explored when it comes to the Falklands. especially with the sinking of the Belgrano, which was moving directly away from the no-go zone and was sunk in anger despite this fact.[/QUOTE]
But they were.
Britain couldn't drag i's feet and risk giving Argentina too much time to dig in and prepare its forces on the island. The UK didn't want to fight, and whilst the fleet was en route is tried its best to try and sort things out diplomatcally. But it didn't work out. What do you propose we do otherwise? Just give up the islands?
And regarding the ARA General Belgrano - it is widely accepted that the sinking was perfectly legitimate. The exclusion zone was [b]not[/b] an area to which combat was to be confined to - prior to the sinking the British had already signalled to the Argentinian government via their embassy in Switzerland that this was the case. She posed a threat to the fleet and therefore she was sunk. That's how war works.
[QUOTE=RG4;40204904]Can someone British explain to me an American what was bad about Margaret Thatcher.[/QUOTE]
She was like Reagan without the charming personality.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4[/media]
[video=youtube;9t4-zDem1Sk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4-zDem1Sk[/video]
Explains why my dad was in such a good mood today.
I remember how shocked I was at 13 when I released there were people who still [i]liked[/i] Thatcher. My entire life until then whenever anyone mentioned her it was in the same way that people talk about Bin Laden and the like.
