[QUOTE=shian;42143902]Somehow, the fingerprint might sound gimmicky. Android had its facial recognition which not many people use. And I bet someone is going to post a video on youtube showing how they cracked the fingerprint scanner[/QUOTE]
Steal someones phone and cut their finger off while you're at it.
[QUOTE=crimsongreen;42144430]The pricing this year is a big letdown :/[/QUOTE]
Operative word:
Apple.
I'm going to get a gold 5S as a social experiment to see how much I am ostracized because of it.
I actually do want one though, great specs, love that camera.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;42144378]Your argument was shit and not worth acknowledging. When you can come up legitimate reasons for why the magical A7 processor is better than a quad core 1.9ghz I'll offer a better rebuttal. Otherwise I'm not going to waste my time[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42144118]Some quad-core android phones don't even have the memory bandwidth to successfully run 4 threads at max load, nevermind that GHz numbers don't mean shit when the architecture is different enough(case in point: AMD having 1GHz more than intel yet getting their processors destroyed by intel, A6 chip keeping up with the samsung galaxy released after it when the latter isn't overclocked and the former is at 85% clock)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chase827;42144458][/QUOTE]
I don't even get what the point of any technical advancement is on an iPhone; maybe the next 3d tic tac toe game?
Its such a locked down platform that having access to a huge advance in speed or whatever wouldn't really benefit most situations.
On the other hand with an android you can do shit like this without even rooting the phone:
[video=youtube;RRWNLSmW3MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWNLSmW3MU[/video]
(and yeah, they show a tablet there but it also works with phones, and no, iPhones cannot do that.)
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;42144398]what makes you say that[/QUOTE]
steve jobs hates plastic and did everything he could to make it go away from apple products.
now apple switched the old iphone 5 to plastic for no reason
two different audiences, the amount of people that just want a phone that works heavily outweights the people that want a phone that's completely open
[QUOTE=Telepethi;42144378]Your argument was shit and not worth acknowledging. When you can come up legitimate reasons for why the magical A7 processor is better than a quad core 1.9ghz I'll offer a better rebuttal. Otherwise I'm not going to waste my time[/QUOTE]
Architectural reasons that affect for example [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_cycle"]IPC[/URL]
The performance of processors aren't based on gigahertz alone, which is why [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284"]this[/URL] is much worse than [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899"]this[/URL] and [URL="http://puu.sh/4o1Eg.jpg"]this shit happens in benchmarks even though the S3 has twice as many cores and 115%~ more GHz[/URL][sp]which should lead to a 115% increase in benchmark score according to your logic[/sp], not counting the fact that the iphones all run at 85% max clock to conserve battery and [URL="http://phandroid.com/2013/07/30/samsung-galaxy-s4-benchmark-boosting-app/"]samsung overclocks their phones during popular benchmarks[/URL]
If you had ran both phones at stock speed they'd most likely be completely even
This is not counting the performance bonus of new instruction sets like[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions"]AVX2[/URL] that severely increase performance of anything capable of using it. While AVX2 is designed for x86-64 and not ARM and phones don't need it, other instruction sets specific to ARM and the iphone should speed things up a lot(especially considering it's going to have 64-bit support allowing more RAM if it's needed and support for 64-bit integers)
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42144528]two different audiences, the amount of people that just want a phone that works heavily outweights the people that want a phone that's completely open[/QUOTE]
Probably true up until a certain point; people also want phones that are priced competitively outside of contracts (which is quite a lot of people).
And before you say that outright phone purchase are something that don't happen that often, in China there are [URL="http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-iphone-5s-5c-release-date-nears-deals-china-mobile-ntt-docomo-may-boost-iphone-sales-1403855"]35 million grey market iPhones[/URL].
So yeah, unless its some huge Apple fan with a bunch of purchases on the AppStore, if you look at the phones side by side in a shop with a side by side pricetag, the iPhone isn't really bringing anything new to the table with this.
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42144504]I don't even get what the point of any technical advancement is on an iPhone; maybe the next 3d tic tac toe game?
Its such a locked down platform that having access to a huge advance in speed or whatever wouldn't really benefit most situations.
On the other hand with an android you can do shit like this without even rooting the phone:
[video=youtube;RRWNLSmW3MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWNLSmW3MU[/video]
(and yeah, they show a tablet there but it also works with phones, and no, iPhones cannot do that.)[/QUOTE]
You can do this on iPhone and iPad, apps and accessories have been made.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;42144394]Add a 32gb microsd cars for $25. Congrats comparing 64 to 64
Better yet add a 64gb card for $50 and compare a 96 to a 64[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between SD storage and built-in.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42144566]You can do this on iPhone and iPad, apps and accessories have been made.[/QUOTE]
There is a distinct and huge difference between a simple camera remote over bluetooth/etc and an application which actually taps into the camera via USB and can feed the LiveView screen onto the phone.
The closest I can find is a $300 device you can buy for iPhones/iPads; an Android does not need this as it can be used as a USB host and can directly interact with a DSLR or any number of other devices (including mass storage devices).
This is one of the big reasons that an iPhone or iPad will never really benefit from any huge technical advantages; unless you are determined to work within the frame that Apple affords you.
[editline]11th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scot;42144622]There's a difference between SD storage and built-in.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is, SD storage is far more flexible and convenient for the end user than built in storage.
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42144630]There is a distinct and huge difference between a simple camera remote over bluetooth/etc and an application which actually taps into the camera via USB and can feed the LiveView screen onto the phone.
The closest I can find is a $300 device you can buy for iPhones/iPads; an Android does not need this as it can be used as a USB host and can directly interact with a DSLR or any number of other devices (including mass storage devices).
This is one of the big reasons that an iPhone or iPad will never really benefit from any huge technical advantages; unless you are determined to work within the frame that Apple affords you.[/QUOTE]
There are apps with the LiveView screen.
And an iPhone/iPad can be used as a USB host device, I've plugged my MIDI keyboard and USB headsets into my iPad before.
From Nokia
[img]http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/09/10/BT0aSI8IYAEiWvn_610x360.png[/img]
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42144666]There are apps with the LiveView screen.
And an iPhone/iPad can be used as a USB host device, I've plugged my MIDI keyboard and USB headsets into my iPad before.[/QUOTE]
Link one which doesn't require an entire laptop, a $300 accessory or rooting your phone.
Did you manage to get USB host working without rooting/jailbreaking the phone?
[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42144630]
Yes there is, SD storage is far more flexible and convenient for the end user than built in storage.[/QUOTE]
for...you?
decent sd cards are expensive, especially 64GB ones. built in flash memory is far faster than any sd card
[editline]10th September 2013[/editline]
and i'm sorry to break it to ya but sd card slots are fading away in smartphones
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42144715]for...you?
decent sd cards are expensive, especially 64GB ones. built in flash memory is far faster than any sd card
[editline]10th September 2013[/editline]
and i'm sorry to break it to ya but sd card slots are fading away in smartphones[/QUOTE]
For the OS/etc yeah internal memory is obviously necessary, but for storing media like pictures/music/video SD is great.
And its not really fading out when there is still no smartphone that offers 128GB or more of memory without the SD slot.
[QUOTE=Tha Baroni;42144697]From Nokia
[img]http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/09/10/BT0aSI8IYAEiWvn_610x360.png[/img][/QUOTE]
the 5c uses a cheaper molded plastic like a lego brick while nokia uses plastic blocks that are then milled into shape just like billet aluminum.
the 5c is just stupid and has no reason to exist
[QUOTE=meppers;42144777]the 5c uses a cheaper molded plastic like a lego brick while nokia uses plastic blocks that are then milled into shape just like billet aluminum.
the 5c is just stupid and has no reason to exist[/QUOTE]
I personally expected the 5C to be a budgetish phone with slightly lesser hardware available for like 400$ in norway, rivalling the nexus 4's launch price here
When it's 100$ cheaper for older hardware and a plastic case there's genuinely no reason for it to exist
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42144825]I personally expected the 5C to be a budget phone available for like 400$ in norway, rivalling the nexus 4's launch price here
When it's 100$ cheaper for older hardware and a plastic case there's genuinely no reason for it to exist[/QUOTE]
The best part is that Apple pretty much made the 5c to try and crack China; given that it isn't that cheap it looks like they screwed that part up.
I mean, why not make the 5C using part-binned A6 or A7 chips with only one functional core? It'd be a perfect way to save money and it'd get them more sales, and if they actually optimised iOS for the single core it wouldn't suffer the fate of the 3GS and 4 getting sluggish after 2 major updates
fuck my automerge
[QUOTE=meppers;42144777]the 5c uses a cheaper molded plastic like a lego brick while nokia uses plastic blocks that are then milled into shape just like billet aluminum.
the 5c is just stupid and has no reason to exist[/QUOTE]
People always bitch about apple not having any variety but as soon as they introduce a second offering suddenly it has no reason to exist. It is still too expensive though.
Does anyone else find it funny that Apple harps on about its shit being 64-bit but doesn't actually list how much RAM the phone even has anywhere on its website?
Holy mother of god price without contract.
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[t]http://puu.sh/4o3Co.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Starship;42144898]Holy mother of god price without contract.
[t]http://puu.sh/4o3AR.png[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/4o3Co.png[/t][/QUOTE]
That's a placeholder price. All the stores here are listing both the 5S and 5C at 999€ too.
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;42144920]That's a placeholder price. All the stores here are listing both the 5S and 5C at 999€ too.[/QUOTE]
Oh. Well I'm stupid.
[QUOTE=Starship;42144898]Holy mother of god price without contract.
[t]http://puu.sh/4o3AR.png[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/4o3Co.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Why would you even get the 64GB model it's unbelievably overpriced (well, more so). If you want 64GB of built in storage get the One X+.
They never did say how much ram the phone had, most likely 64-bit is more useful for computational reasons.
I expect it will be 2GB though, as 1GB would be stretching the use of the full processor and GPU at this point. Should be known when someone dismantles their shipped model or figures out which RAM chip the text on the processor points to
[editline]i[/editline]
It's not [I]that[/I] wrong though since the 64GB costed like 7400 here at the cheapest retailer [sp]directly from apple's website funnily enough[/sp]
[editline]i[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scot;42144885]People always bitch about apple not having any variety but as soon as they introduce a second offering suddenly it has no reason to exist. It is still too expensive though.[/QUOTE]
The thing is that the option they added is currently completely redundant, as there's no reason [B]not[/B] to pay 100$ more for a phone that's a lot better. If they actually lower the price at least 100$ down the line it's actually going to be an alternative
fuck i broke my quotes goddamnit fp
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;42144920]That's a placeholder price. All the stores here are listing both the 5S and 5C at 999€ too.[/QUOTE]
It's not far off, $1100.
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