Trump: 'Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated'
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I bet he replaces healthcare with homeopathic remedies that involve mercury.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51884510]Not to interrupt people essentially restating,
ad naseum, but shouldn't people be glad about the fundamental take away here? That Trump is admitting that Healthcare is "complex" and might require some sort of solution they don't have yet? A sort of dialogue that itself fundamentally forestalls the repeal of Obamacare, no matter how much of a rhetorical hard-on he may have had for killing it?
That actually seems like [I]fucking great[/I] news.[/QUOTE]
The bar is set so low for Trump, it's not even funny.
Obama knew, clearly.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51884510]Not to interrupt people essentially restating,
ad naseum, but shouldn't people be glad about the fundamental take away here? That Trump is admitting that Healthcare is "complex" and might require some sort of solution they don't have yet? A sort of dialogue that itself fundamentally forestalls the repeal of Obamacare, no matter how much of a rhetorical hard-on he may have had for killing it?
That actually seems like [I]fucking great[/I] news.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that it's reported that Aetna is dropping out at the end of 2017, basically Premiums are going to rise again, which is another step closer to unoffically killing it without fixing it. More are also threatening to leave left and right because they are losing profit.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51884590]The problem is that it's reported that Aetna is dropping out at the end of 2017, basically Premiums are going to rise again, which is another step closer to unoffically killing it without fixing it. More are also threatening to leave left and right because they are losing profit.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but as far as I can tell, that's a generally unrelated issue. That's an issue of companies either genuinely pulling out because the current market exchange model is losing them money, or just flatly lying and pulling out because they're not making as much money as they would have otherwise.
That has to do with the weaknesses built in to the ACA itself, and the Corporate-appeasement/Republican appeasement that took place when the law was drafted.
That is, [B]a weakness in the laws Barack Obama himself passed.[/B]
You might criticize Trump for not strengthening or improving those laws, but that particular issue is not the dark magic of Trump working it's evils in the hearts of all men, in the darkness of the night.
Someone should give Trump an idea for an all-American, conservative plan to replace healthcare and make it sound exactly like single payer healthcare but without using the word.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;51884307]"Woooow, this country sucks. I told them to ban all Muslims but they still keep coming in. Like, what the fuck, you're just going to contradict me?"[/QUOTE]
"uhhhhh I'm signing the orders and nothing happening! Bugged!"
Him "admitting" that healthcare is a hard to legislate topic doesn't really mean much. A child could tell you much of the same in all honestly. Of course it's a hard topic, how do you ensure access for the poorest (hint: it's not the free market)? How do you ensure fair treatment for all patients (hint: it's not the free market)? How do you prevent groups working together to artificially inflate prices sky high (hint: it's not the free market)?
It's a hard topic to write solid legalese for, but looking at almost every other developed nation should give you some hints, government subsidised systems work and single payer systems work wonders. So long as you're willing to commit to them and not start gutting them with arbitrary cuts or underfunding (thanks Tories!).
Even the typical naive-but-shouts-about-politics-anyways college student recognizes that health care is a complicated issue to try to actually solve. I still can't believe we elected this person. It's a clear sign that the system is malfunctioning when someone like this gets into power.
I always thought he was an asshole and just doesn't care if he's getting it wrong, but something like this makes me think he actually didn't realize that he wasn't up to the challenge.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51883618]It escapes his mental capacity to grasp that just because his limited imagination and stunted intellect can't wrap his head around an idea, others can.[/QUOTE]
It's not that difficult if Lord Bannon is writing the laws for you.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51883709]The President is trying to repeal* Obamacare without even knowing how hard healthcare is to manage
come on, you can't make this shit up, that's just unacceptable[/QUOTE]
It's going to be a disaster if this goes through. Repealing the ACA can only lead to millions of Americans losing their healthcare coverage the way that these fuckwits are going about it. They haven't got the faintest clue what they're doing/what they need to be doing. And yet no shortage of right-wing Americans still support this man and his cronies.
Makes me think of H.L. Mencken's quote: [i]"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."[/i]
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51884616]
You might criticize Trump for not strengthening or improving those laws, but that particular issue is not the [B]dark magic of Trump working it's evils in the hearts of all men, in the darkness of the night.[/B][/QUOTE]
What did he mean by this?
see what he doesnt know or isnt saying, he can't do anything he wants without democrat support. the budget reconciliation process theyre using to sidestep democrats can only repeal certain parts of obamacare it cannot remove the whole law and like a tower of jenga, you cant remove most of it and leave a stable insurance market.
so basically the republicans are hoping that they can get to an impass somewhere say... the budget or debt ceiling... where they can get the dnc to remove obamacare entirely but i dont see that happening since that would also fuck over the insurance industry also the government and most of the country.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51885327]see what he doesnt know or isnt saying, he can't do anything he wants without democrat support. the budget reconciliation process theyre using to sidestep democrats can only repeal certain parts of obamacare it cannot remove the whole law and like a tower of jenga, you cant remove most of it and leave a stable insurance market.
so basically the republicans are hoping that they can get to an impass somewhere say... the budget or debt ceiling... where they can get the dnc to remove obamacare entirely but i dont see that happening since that would also fuck over the insurance industry also the government and most of the country.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they really are the dog that caught the car here. It's such a crazy role-reversal: the GOP is now in charge of healthcare reform, just as the Dems were in 09, and they gon' learn that it is not that fucking easy.
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51885923]Yeah, they really are the dog that caught the car here. It's such a crazy role-reversal: the GOP is now in charge of healthcare reform, just as the Dems were in 09, and they gon' learn that it is not that fucking easy.[/QUOTE]
the dems at least did it reaponsibly, the gop just wants to burn it and to hell with the consiquences
Its like he's using "everyone" and "No one" as the royal we.
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