• Latvian SS Veterans Deserve Respect - President
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Because the right side was the commies who took over our country by force ? And then sent 40'000 civilians to Siberia ? And executed Latvian army officers in Litene ? How about let's face the fact that the Latvians didn't want to fight for a much of savage communists who took away there freedom and rather fight for the Germans with a HOPE to get a independent nation again ?
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;34912187] Cause let's face it, if you weren't forced against your will to wear an SS uniform and you did it anyways, you don't have anything to complain about, you threw in with the wrong side.[/QUOTE]There was no right side in ww2.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34912330]There was no right side in ww2.[/QUOTE] Yes there was. It was called "Allies" Althought it was better off without Russia.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34912330]There was no right side in ww2.[/QUOTE] Well there was a side that wasn't brutally exterminating Jews, and I think we can both agree that genocide does not look good on a resume.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34912342]Yes there was. It was called "Allies" Althought it was better off without Russia.[/QUOTE] Well, you know, you could argue Germany kept Bolshevism at bay, which is the main reason people from already occupied countries volenteered to join the German army. If they didn't do the mass murdering thing, ww2 would've been a different kind of war. I think that's what he meant.
People not from the Baltics need to get a grip. None of us joined for the ideology. We were FORCED to join, and that aside, fighting against the communists/nazis for the sake of our OWN countries was what we were trying to do. Which side we were forced to choose was of little importance at the time. It's sickening that when we show respect to our forefathers for fighting for our own homes, people with no relation to our history start lashing out, claiming we're pushing some ideological agenda. If you think THIS is bad, get a load of the Red Army...
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];34910888']I didn't know that they would even put non-Germans into the SS, I thought that the SS was the exclusive Aryan group.[/QUOTE] I don't think it was SS, but I know Nazi-Germany had Asian soldiers at some point. True story.
[QUOTE=sami-pso;34912677]Well, you know, you could argue Germany kept Bolshevism at bay, which is the main reason people from already occupied countries volenteered to join the German army. If they didn't do the mass murdering thing, ww2 would've been a different kind of war.[/QUOTE] Yeah, plus I'd imagine there was a fair amount of Wermacht troops who really didn't want to fight the war but did so anyway out of a sense of civic duty or debts owed to Germany. Turning down a position with the SS when offered it may have made commanding officers slightly suspicious.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34912342]Yes there was. It was called "Allies" Althought it was better off without Russia.[/QUOTE] Allies was a good side? What a joke. Maybe least evil, but that's about it.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34912342]Yes there was. It was called "Allies" Althought it was better off without Russia.[/QUOTE] I never understood why people like you with such an extreme nationalistic attitude still care about "hurr russians are bad and savage commies better dead than red".
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;34913211]I never understood why people like you with such an extreme nationalistic attitude still care about "hurr russians are bad and savage commies better dead than red".[/QUOTE] I think "people like him" still don't like the Russian Commies cause they were oppressed (quite harshly) by the Soviets, quite like how Jewish people are about Nazism and the holocaust.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;34913211]I never understood why people like you with such an extreme nationalistic attitude still care about "hurr russians are bad and savage commies better dead than red".[/QUOTE] Or maybe its because the USSR oppressed the hell it of its people for most of its history and maybe killed as many Jews as the Nazis did. Then there is the fact that the Red Army raped and murdered their way across Germany.
And maybe because the USSR legacy has still major repercussions on our country, including the fact that most of the time it's hard to communicate to anyone in the countries OFFICIAL FUCKING LANGUAGE.
A lot of people like to say that the Waffen SS were, like the Wehrmacht, just soldiers doing their jobs. To be honest, this is true to differing extents. Many of the Germanic Waffen SS divisions committed a slew of highly documented war crimes on top of their extensive combat service. However, there are a number of Waffen SS divisions that genuinely spent 100% of their time in combat at the front, and fought in what amounts to an honorable manner while they were there. The Latvian Waffen SS divisions stand amongst those. For the record, after a certain point in the war all foreign nationals wishing to join the military of the 3rd Reich (In addition to a large number who were conscripted) were tossed into the Waffen SS. The Waffen SS organized the following non-Germanic divisions: 5.SS-Panzer-Division Wiking (Primarily German, but it also contained a cadre of Scandinavians who would later be used to form other divisions.) 11.SS-Panzergrenadier-Freiwilligen-Division Nordland (Mostly Scandinavians) 13.Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Handschar (Croatians) 14.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (Ukrainian) 15.Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS (Latvian) 21 (Albanian) 23 (Netherlands) 29 (Russian) Other 29 (Italian) 30 (Russian) 33 Charlemagne (French) ^ Incomplete [SIZE=+1] [/SIZE]
[QUOTE=Paravin;34913585]And maybe because the USSR legacy has still major repercussions on our country, including the fact that most of the time it's hard to communicate to anyone in the countries OFFICIAL FUCKING LANGUAGE.[/QUOTE] Not their fault the official language sucks dick. No really latvian is trash and I fucking hate it. I wish I could forget latvian and learn an actually useful language like german or chinese.
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;34913543]Or maybe its because the USSR oppressed the hell it of its people for most of its history and maybe killed as many Jews as the Nazis did. Then there is the fact that the Red Army raped and murdered their way across Germany.[/QUOTE] The USSR wasn't alive for most of its history and I don't recall the USSR sending six million Jews to death and concentration camps. Sure there was anti-semetism, and there always was throughout the entire Europe and Jews who were sent to labor camps in the USSR around the period of WW2 weren't sent there because of the fact they're Jews. And the "Red Army raping and murdering their way to Germany" is kind of biased and vague. War is war, and it was inevitable and unfortunate that millions lost their lives, but then again, you're also implying that the Germans are the innocent ones here because so far, you haven't mentioned them "raping and murdering their way to USSR". I'm ethnically half Jewish and half Slavic and my entire family and I are practically Russian, but you don't see me displaying an extreme hate and "spit" on the Germans (or in your logic, "the bloodthirsty savage Nazi's"). The war happened 70 years ago and millions and millions losing their lives is always unfortunate, but the last thing we need to do is bring back this nationalistic stupidity.
[QUOTE=Cone;34912544]Well there was a side that wasn't brutally exterminating Jews, and I think we can both agree that genocide does not look good on a resume.[/QUOTE] That was kept secret (not very closely, but your average German played no role in it) If America did something wrong, do you think all the US troops would disband? Didn't think so.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];34910888']I didn't know that they would even put non-Germans into the SS, I thought that the SS was the exclusive Aryan group.[/QUOTE] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1327502420736.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Vasili;34913793][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1327502420736.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Look at all these happy, smiling jew murderers. How terrible.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34912342]Yes there was. It was called "Allies" Althought it was better off without Russia.[/QUOTE] How can you imagine Allies without USSR when Germany attacked it?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34913914]Look at all these happy, smiling jew murderers. How terrible.[/QUOTE] You know, not all the SS were focused on murdering Jews. About half of it was devoted to combat, whilst the other half was devoted to what comes afterwards. Sort of like if the US Delta Force were meant for both capturing locations and interrogating the people taken captive there, only worse. If the combat itself has no bearing on the whole division, about half of the SS are as innocent as soldiers are fortunate enough to get. [editline]28th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kefirman;34914032]How can you imagine Allies without USSR when Germany attacked it?[/QUOTE] Lots more dead people, probably less raped and murdered women and children in Berlin.
[QUOTE=Kefirman;34914032]How can you imagine Allies without USSR when Germany attacked it?[/QUOTE] How can you imagine USSR attacking Finland, Poland and other nations while no one gives a shit and while Stalin is chilling with Hitler talking about what country to take over next ? Also the Insignia of the Latvian SS [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Latvia.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Cone;34914124]You know, not all the SS were focused on murdering Jews. About half of it was devoted to combat, whilst the other half was devoted to what comes afterwards. [/QUOTE] I was sarcastic
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34914168]I was sarcastic[/QUOTE] wait really
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34913914]Look at all these happy, smiling jew murderers. How terrible.[/QUOTE] Sarcasm is hard to detect in this post
It's almost difficult to see the Nazis as racist when they let blacks into the waffen-ss. They barely got into the American army. You'd think they would have been 10x more xenophobic than the Americans.
[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;34915112]It's almost difficult to see the Nazis as racist when they let blacks into the waffen-ss. They barely got into the American army. You'd think they would have been 10x more xenophobic than the Americans.[/QUOTE] Well technically the Wermacht (where I'd imagine most ethnic people were placed) weren't Nazis, just the troops [I]of[/I] the Nazis. I mean, you don't call the military Democrats or Republicans, do you? The SS may have been the same. All semantics at the end of the day anyway.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;34913744]The USSR wasn't alive for most of its history and I don't recall the USSR sending six million Jews to death and concentration camps. Sure there was anti-semetism, and there always was throughout the entire Europe and Jews who were sent to labor camps in the USSR around the period of WW2 weren't sent there because of the fact they're Jews. And the "Red Army raping and murdering their way to Germany" is kind of biased and vague. War is war, and it was inevitable and unfortunate that millions lost their lives, but then again, you're also implying that the Germans are the innocent ones here because so far, you haven't mentioned them "raping and murdering their way to USSR". I'm ethnically half Jewish and half Slavic and my entire family and I are practically Russian, but you don't see me displaying an extreme hate and "spit" on the Germans (or in your logic, "the bloodthirsty savage Nazi's"). The war happened 70 years ago and millions and millions losing their lives is always unfortunate, but the last thing we need to do is bring back this nationalistic stupidity.[/QUOTE] I was not saying that the Nazis didn't do the same thing. I thought it was understood that what the Red Army did was vengeance for what the Wermacht did when they invaded Russia. I'm not Latvian and I'm certainly not a nationalist for my own country. I hate the Nazi's ideology, not the average German citizen that was pretty much brainwashed or the soldiers that had to fight in the war. Yeah, Nationalism is not a good thing seeings how it led to the war in the first place.
The Waffen SS was just as bad as Death's Head units. They committed countless war crimes and murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of prisoners of war (on both the Eastern and Western Fronts) and raped millions of women.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;34918038]The Waffen SS was just as bad as Death's Head units. They committed countless war crimes and murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of prisoners of war (on both the Eastern and Western Fronts) and raped millions of women.[/QUOTE] Nice generalization there bucko. Sadly we already agreed earlier that not all Waffen SS units were bad, hell almost none of them if you only look at the non-germanic units like the Latvians here. Try reading next time before you post comments.
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