Latvian Legion was a branch of the SS, they fought the Kurland pocket all the way to the end and the soviets did not get through or push the line more then a couple miles all the way to Germany's surrender, and members of the Latvian legion who were drafted by the SS for combat were executed by the Communists. Some remained fighting off soviets in the forests ( see forest brothers ) so the soviets engaged in a deforestation campaign with little success.
Did you guys fail history? of coarse they deserve respect, the SS defended Latvia against Stalin.
Germans and Latvians defended it together and 'won' by themselves.
Im sick of this shit.
Everyone who fought and died in the second world war deserve to be remembered, because everyone was fighting for what they believed in.
Granted, some armies were complete dickbags but still.
Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the axis armies though imo.
The Afrika Korps were never accused of war crimes, he ignored orders to kill commandos, jews and civilians, and treated prisoners humanely.
His own troops and even the allies respected him. He was a brilliant general.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;34913211]I never understood why people like you with such an extreme nationalistic attitude still care about "hurr russians are bad and savage commies better dead than red".[/QUOTE]
The Russian army was exterminating Eastern Europeans similar to how the Germans were.
I don't remember all the specifics but I know Ukraine got hit pretty hard.
It wasn't because the Russians were communist, it was because they were batshit crazy.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;34911031]Nah there was Croats, Dutch, Belgian, Danish, Norwegians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, and probably more.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget us Swedes!
...That came out wrong.
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[QUOTE=Araknid;34918323]Im sick of this shit.
Everyone who fought and died in the second world war deserve to be remembered, because everyone was fighting for what they believed in.
Granted, some armies were complete dickbags but still.
Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the axis armies though imo.
The Afrika Korps were never accused of war crimes, he ignored orders to kill commandos, jews and civilians, and treated prisoners humanely.
His own troops and even the allies respected him. He was a brilliant general.[/QUOTE]
Also isn't that why Patton wanted to fight him so badly?
A lot of people dont realize the Allies committed a shitload of atrocities during WW2 too.
For example the US sent the vast majority of Japanese-Americans to the internment camps (Manzanar etc.) and took pretty much everything they owned. Hell my family would be millionaires if it hadn't been for that.
[QUOTE=Araknid;34918323]Im sick of this shit.
Everyone who fought and died in the second world war deserve to be remembered, because everyone was fighting for what they believed in.
Granted, some armies were complete dickbags but still.
Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the axis armies though imo.
The Afrika Korps were never accused of war crimes, he ignored orders to kill commandos, jews and civilians, and treated prisoners humanely.
His own troops and even the allies respected him. He was a brilliant general.[/QUOTE]
Rommel has nothing to do with the SS.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;34920972]Rommel has nothing to do with the SS.[/QUOTE]
Yeah no shit.
That's why I said "Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the axis armies though imo"
Not
"Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the SS though imo"
Next time read what people say properly.
[QUOTE=Araknid;34921322]Yeah no shit.
That's why I said "Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the axis armies though imo"
Not
"Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the SS though imo"
Next time read what people say properly.[/QUOTE]
This thread is about the SS and people saying the SS should be respected.
Why did you even mention Rommel?
I never thought that you said "Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the SS though imo."
Another little Waffen SS fact, The only two Waffen SS divisions that fought in the Battle of the Berlin were the 11th Nordland (Made up of Scandinavians) and the 33rd Charlemagne (French). The only Germanic Waffen SS units that were present were tiny garrison units, Hitlers personal guard, and the marching band of the Leibstandarte division, which fought as a mortar platoon.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;34921693]This thread is about the SS and people saying the SS should be respected.
Why did you even mention Rommel?
I never thought that you said "Erwin Rommel and his soldiers definitely deserve the most respect out of all the SS though imo."[/QUOTE]
And I was saying that everyone who fought in the war deserved to be respected.
[QUOTE=Araknid;34922734]And I was saying that everyone who fought in the war deserved to be respected.[/QUOTE]
Hitler fought in the war, you respect him so you're a nazi?
Anyone who has fought and died for something deserves respect.
[QUOTE=napalm_bomb;34922881]Anyone who has fought and died for something deserves respect.[/QUOTE]
Even Hitler?
[QUOTE=Gereight;34922981]Even Hitler?[/QUOTE]
Hitler didn't fight
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Pretty sure they're talking about the people who served combat positions and put their life at risk daily, fighting for what they believe in. Not people sitting behind a desk.
[QUOTE=Valdor;34923011]Hitler didn't fight[/QUOTE]
He was commander of the German army, he commanded and therefor fought in the conquer of Europe and eventual defeat by the soviet union.
[QUOTE=Gereight;34923021]He was commander of the German army, he commanded and therefor fought in the conquer of Europe and eventual defeat by the soviet union.[/QUOTE]
Way to completely ignore what else I said :downs:
[QUOTE=Valdor;34923148]Way to completely ignore what else I said :downs:[/QUOTE]
Welcome to you edited your post after I posted and left the thread.
Hitler fought in WW1, should we respect hitler?
Can we please not bring in Hitler ? He is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34923201]Can we please not bring in Hitler ? He is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Alright alright, but I speak the truth. Hitler fought for his country he deserves respect.
[QUOTE=Gereight;34922825]Hitler fought in the war, you respect him so you're a nazi?[/QUOTE]
oh my god get your head out of your ass.
Military leader =/= soldier.
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[QUOTE=Gereight;34923159]Welcome to you edited your post after I posted and left the thread.
Hitler fought in WW1, should we respect hitler?[/QUOTE]
If he didnt become a blood thirsty maniac, then yes, I would.
[QUOTE=Araknid;34923215]oh my god get your head out of your ass.
Military leader =/= soldier.
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If he didnt become a blood thirsty maniac, then yes, I would.[/QUOTE]
Your post is so oxymoronic damn!
You deny it, then you admit it with *exceptions.
[QUOTE=Gereight;34923214]Alright alright, but I speak the truth. Hitler fought for his country he deserves respect.[/QUOTE]
He didn't fight for his country.
He fought to kill off Jews and take over Europe.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34923258]He didn't fight for his country.
He fought to kill off Jews and take over Europe.[/QUOTE]
National* socialism. He stirred German pride in their country and promoted nationalism.
In WW1 he was a frontline soldier.
[QUOTE=Gereight;34923226]Your post is so oxymoronic damn!
You deny it, then you admit it with *exceptions.[/QUOTE]
dear god i said if he didnt become a blood thirsty maniac, then i would respect him.
Holy shit how dumb can someone get.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34923258]He didn't fight for his country.
He fought to kill off Jews and take over Europe.[/QUOTE]
Well he killed jews and tried to take over Europe to raise his country to it's former glory.
I'm not so sure about all this, Wehrmacht and the SS were two very different things. One was an army, the other was a private bodyguard of "racially pure" warriors, I'm sure not all of them were morally questionable folk, but by association alone questions must be raised.
[QUOTE=Mabus;34924724]I'm not so sure about all this, Wehrmacht and the SS were two very different things. One was an army, the other was a private bodyguard of "racially pure" warriors, I'm sure not all of them were morally questionable folk, but by association alone questions must be raised.[/QUOTE]Only one unit of SS was a personal bodyguard of Hitler (namely the Reichssicherheitsdienst. The LSSAH were not his personal bodyguards per se, but guarded the area around him while the former were trained to take bullets for him personally), the Waffen SS in general was a paramilitary force. Sort of like the US Marine Corps compared to the US Army in terms of superfluousness, except the SS got the best equipment first unlike the USMC. If you'd actually read the thread at all, then you'd also have noticed many SS units were far from racially pure.
It's not that difficult to read a little about them; they've been heavily documented and written about to the point they're known inside-out by WW2 historians, It's known which units committed atrocities and which didn't, what kinds of people were recruited into which units and so on. It's not like there's a mystery to uncover.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;34923258]He didn't fight for his country.
He fought to kill off Jews and take over Europe.[/QUOTE]
Hitler served his country at his best. The "killing off Jews" part never came from Hitler himself; he just approved thoughts and decisions from subordinate and top officials and allowed actions to initiate (take Wannsee conference for example). Other than that, he cared for his country or otherwise, it wouldn't have succeeded until they lost.
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[QUOTE=Mabus;34924724]I'm not so sure about all this, Wehrmacht and the SS were two very different things. One was an army, the other was a private bodyguard of "racially pure" warriors, I'm sure not all of them were morally questionable folk, but by association alone questions must be raised.[/QUOTE]
The SS wasn't "racially pure warriors". It was made up of different divisions and across different nationalities. I wouldn't call them a "private bodyguard" as well. The SS was split up differently as well, such as Waffen SS, Einsatzgruppen, Gestapo, etc. But the general thing is more paramilitary.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;34924858]Only one unit of SS was a personal bodyguard of Hitler (namely the Reichssicherheitsdienst. The LSSAH were not his personal bodyguards per se, but guarded the area around him while the former were trained to take bullets for him personally), the Waffen SS in general was a paramilitary force. Sort of like the US Marine Corps compared to the US Army in terms of superfluousness, except the SS got the best equipment first unlike the USMC. If you'd actually read the thread at all, then you'd also have noticed many SS units were far from racially pure.
It's not that difficult to read a little about them; they've been heavily documented and written about to the point they're known inside-out by WW2 historians, It's known which units committed atrocities and which didn't, what kinds of people were recruited into which units and so on. It's not like there's a mystery to uncover.[/QUOTE]
I Wouldn't call the Marines a paramilitary force, and I'm quite aware that the SS wasn't exactly strict on their original recruitment doctrine (especially near the end). The truth is there will always be mystery's in regard to what exactly happened in some of these units, documents were burned, actions went unreported and some are simply forgotten due to everybody involved passing on.
[QUOTE=Mabus;34924938]I Wouldn't call the Marines a paramilitary force, and I'm quite aware that the SS wasn't exactly strict on their original recruitment doctrine (especially near the end). The truth is there will always be mystery's in regard to what exactly happened in some of these units, documents were burned, actions went unreported and some are simply forgotten due to everybody involved passing on.[/QUOTE]I wasn't calling the Marines a paramilitary force, but superfluous. Sort of like having 2 navies, or 2 airforces.
And i'm aware some things will be entirely lost to history, but there are obvious patterns noticeable in the units that were known to commit atrocities, so it's hardly logical to go accusing any SS foreign legion unit of war crimes when they were neither known to have committed war crimes or exhibited any of the known characteristics of those that did; such as being on anti-partisan duty or otherwise being tasked with securing conquered territories, being comprised of criminals or recruits from the blatant war criminal units etc.
Innocent until proven guilty, essentially. The SS was a surprisingly diverse organisation in terms of the people it recruited and what tasks it was given, it serves no purpose other than laziness to oversimplify historical knowledge and call all SS units Hitler's personal bodyguards and war criminals.
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