Trump faces uphill battle as candidates turn to general election
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[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50253010]Also trump didn't support the Iraq war[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/]Factually incorrect[/url]. Trump advocated for war in Iraq in September 2002, and the earliest anyone has been able to find him being against the war on record was a week after the war started (and even that was "if we keep shooting down our own planes, this is going to go badly" (paraphrasing for brevity)). It wasn't until months later that he began saying that the invasion was a bad idea (rather than criticizing how it was being done).
Why do you think Trump faces an uphill battle? I think it will be pretty easy to beat Clinton. All he as to do is bring up the fact that she covered up all of her husbands affairs and actual rapes through violent threats and black mail. Also bring up how she got Americans killed in Benghazi.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50257451]Different kinds of people vote in primaries vs general. Whereas a general can have up to 60% turnout, primaries have around 10-15% voter turnout, and generally attract more political people who give a shit about the difference between right/left. In the primary elections, the aim is to find the sweet spot of "how far right/left can I get before people start to think I'm a fascist". In the general, the aim is to then drag yourself center/moderate enough that you can appeal to "common sense"/rational people who don't vote based on right/left. Donald trump has a lot more ground to cover than Clinton does, and I think that Trumps right wing/racism ideology is a lot less popular than Clinton's left wing/faux-Bernie ideology.
However, trump also has more power to bring out people who wouldn't otherwise vote, while Hillary is uninspiring to most voters.[/QUOTE]
Primaries are probably why politics in the US is so polarised. Just as you have said, primaries will tend to produce candidates on each side who appeal only to the party, and not necessarily to the general public. And then after the primaries, the candidates are too stubborn to move to the centre.
Like we have preselections for candidates here, but it's never as big of a deal as in the US. Such preselections are closed, and to participate you need to join a party and pay a regular membership fee. It's not like in the US where you are asked your political affiliation when you register; you have to go out in your own time to join a party. And a huge majority of people don't.
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Like just saying, but would politics in the US really become worse if primaries stopped becoming a thing? I don't think it would.
[QUOTE=mr apple;50253065]Patriotism is what made the Cold War such a fuck fest. I just think it's a bit silly to have undivided love for a country just because you were born there.
Care to explain how you're the best country then? - That did come out as a bit negative, but I am curious as to why Americans think America is so great.[/QUOTE]
We are a country founded on independence from European colonialism, immigrants from all walks of life whether they be Polish, German, French, Irish, or English came to the United States to start a new life or escape the imperialism of Europe monarchies.
I could've been born in Bumfuck Nowhere, Africa but had the good fortune of being born in the country with opportunity all around me.
We aren't the best country but to say people shouldn't be proud of where they come from or have any patriotism is completely ludicrous. Go live in South America or Africa and see how long you keep thinking like that.
As for the topic, whatever deity exists please help us all.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;50257996][URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/"]Factually incorrect[/URL]. Trump advocated for war in Iraq in September 2002, and the earliest anyone has been able to find him being against the war on record was a week after the war started (and even that was "if we keep shooting down our own planes, this is going to go badly" (paraphrasing for brevity)). It wasn't until months later that he began saying that the invasion was a bad idea (rather than criticizing how it was being done).[/QUOTE]
Did you read your own source? The only one that shows him giving any support is an off-hand comment on Howard Stern where he said, "I guess so." I don't think anyone would actually take that to be some policy stance. Every other quote was neutral or negative.
[QUOTE=mr apple;50253065]Patriotism is what made the Cold War such a fuck fest. I just think it's a bit silly to have undivided love for a country just because you were born there.
Care to explain how you're the best country then? - That did come out as a bit negative, but I am curious as to why Americans think America is so great.[/QUOTE]
I have 50 reasons why America is the greatest country on Earth
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[QUOTE=mr apple;50252981]It's amazing that a large majority of your population want this guy in power.
America kinda deserves Trump tbh, maybe once he fucks the country up a bit more, you guys will stop claiming you're the best country in the world.[/QUOTE]
America's the new rome.
[QUOTE=mr apple;50252999]Pretty much, you guys had an actual politician willing to do good for you country instead of pandering for big companies and making your economy worse than it is. Yet, the majority of the population want Hillary or Trump. I don't know if it's a lack of education in America or what but your entire election has been hilarious.[/QUOTE]
It's not connected to current education. Not to defend them since they are indeed bad, but majority of trump voters are older voters who "respect his charisma and willingness to say what he thinks!" These are also people with less education who don't realize how much falsification, lies and bullshit is attatched to the "charismatic trump package". Bernie would win unquestionably if everyone between the age of 13 and 17 magically turned 18 for election day. But a lot of his voters are either unable to vote or still a minority to the flocks of people stuck in the more "headline newsworthy" candidates
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