South Carolina Congressman wants to purge America of Iranians - Polidicks

Not sure whether the guy is just being racist or if he is just plain dumb, but Iranian =/= terrorist. Equally, Muslim =/= terrorist. On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with the deportation of people linked to extremist groups as well as possibly any Muslims who are outwardly violent. I'm all for freedom of speech, but there is a difference between protesting and saying "I disagree with x, y and z" and "Death to USA/UK/Europe!".

[QUOTE=David29;19587485] On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with the deportation of people linked to extremist groups as well as possibly any Muslims who are outwardly violent. [/quote] Where do you deport them if they were born in the USA? Send em' on the bus to Mexico like most of our immigrants? [quote]I'm all for freedom of speech, but there is a difference between protesting and saying "I disagree with x, y and z" and "Death to USA/UK/Europe!".[/QUOTE] You still have the right. You aren't causing someone physical harm nor are you threatening anyone with that talk. You still have the right to speak however you want.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;19587514]Where do you deport them if they were born in the USA? Send em' on the bus to Mexico like most of our immigrants?[/QUOTE] Well, I mostly meant immigrants, but I see your point and that does complicate things somewhat. The only alternative I would see then is to arrest them. [QUOTE=yawmwen;19587514]You still have the right. You aren't causing someone physical harm nor are you threatening anyone with that talk. You still have the right to speak however you want.[/QUOTE] True, and certainly by UK law there is nothing illegal with saying such things. But in my personal opinion that is a rather dangerous stance to take. As it stands it seems that there is an overwhelming feeling that freedom of speech must be protected no matter the cost, but I think that is potentially detrimental. It might sound rather fascist of me, but I think there should be a line at which freedom of speech stops in order to preserve lives and the integrity of the country. And besides, it [b]is[/b] threatening. If someone says "kill the infidels", does that not imply some sort of threat?

Wow weren't we not supposed to do this well then Holocaust 2 anyone join the KoBIs

[QUOTE=David29;19587623]Well, I mostly meant immigrants, but I see your point and that does complicate things somewhat. The only alternative I would see then is to arrest them.[/quote] You can't arrest someone for saying or being part of a group you don't like. You can only arrest someone if they are causing another person harm, fraud, physical pain, or they are conspiring to do so. What's the difference between being in a peaceful extremist political party rather than being in a moderate political party? [quote]True, and certainly by UK law there is nothing illegal with saying such things. But in my personal opinion that is a rather dangerous stance to take. As it stands it seems that there is an overwhelming feeling that freedom of speech must be protected no matter the cost, but I think that is potentially detrimental. It might sound rather fascist of me, but I think there should be a line at which freedom of speech stops in order to preserve lives and the integrity of the country.[/quote] The problem is what line do you draw? How can you allow someone to only say certain things to preserve the integrity of a country when that itself is subjective and changes from person to person? Also, you are a Brit so the idea of free speech might not be as moving to you as it is to Americans where the beauty of the constitution is drilled into our head from kindergarten(although I might be mistaken, I certainly don't know how things are in the UK, I just know American Culture takes the constitution, first amendment in particular, very seriously). [quote]And besides, it [B]is[/B] threatening. If someone says "kill the infidels", does that not imply some sort of threat?[/QUOTE] It's not a threat against a specific person, and by itself isn't harmful or threatening at all. However, if said person is involved in an illegal act(they actually try to kill an "infidel") then their rights are stripped when they go to prison.

This is why I am ashamed to be an American sometimes because we have stupid redneck fucks like this. :/

[QUOTE=Erthys;19587704]This is why I am ashamed to be an American sometimes because we have stupid redneck fucks like this. :/[/QUOTE] It enrages me that people have to see people like this on the news as our "representatives". It gives the good people a bad name being categorized with filth like him.

[QUOTE=Root Beer;19562769]Republican and South Carolinian and disagree with this congressman, but will most likely get a lot of stereotypical bullshit anyway knowing GD/ITN.[/QUOTE] lolvictimcomplex

[QUOTE=yawmwen;19587692]You can't arrest someone for saying or being part of a group you don't like. You can only arrest someone if they are causing another person harm, fraud, physical pain, or they are conspiring to do so. What's the difference between being in a peaceful extremist political party rather than being in a moderate political party?[/Quote] True, you can't. I was merely pointing out an alternative for US citizens who cannot be deported. [QUOTE=yawmwen;19587692]The problem is what line do you draw? How can you allow someone to only say certain things to preserve the integrity of a country when that itself is subjective and changes from person to person? Also, you are a Brit so the idea of free speech might not be as moving to you as it is to Americans where the beauty of the constitution is drilled into our head from kindergarten(although I might be mistaken, I certainly don't know how things are in the UK, I just know American Culture takes the constitution, first amendment in particular, very seriously).[/QUOTE] I agree entirely. That's one of the biggest problems with life - nothing is ever straightforward. I know that over here if new laws were introduced it would probably cause more problems then it would fix. But I still think that when someone is voicing extreme and potentially violent ideas they should be stopped. Ps. Rated friendly for not flaming.

[QUOTE=David29;19587803] I agree entirely. That's one of the biggest problems with life - nothing is ever straightforward. I know that over here if new laws were introduced it would probably cause more problems then it would fix. But I still think that when someone is voicing extreme and potentially violent ideas they should be stopped.[/quote] Remember that in their time rights and freedom were very radical ideas in many areas(and still are). What we need to do is stop someone who is outright threatening other people's safety. However, just because someone has an extreme idea doesn't mean it's bad, and trying to stamp out the idea in a civilized world(especially now that we have internet) creates an even bigger problem. [quote]Ps. Rated friendly for not flaming.[/QUOTE] This is a discussion, as long as other people stay civil with me, I try and stay civil with them. We can all gain a better perspective of the world if we open our minds and listen to what others are saying.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;19587827]Remember that in their time rights and freedom were very radical ideas in many areas(and still are). What we need to do is stop someone who is outright threatening other people's safety. However, just because someone has an extreme idea doesn't mean it's bad, and trying to stamp out the idea in a civilized world(especially now that we have internet) creates an even bigger problem.[/Quote] But couldn't one argue that failure to pre-emptively deal with something before it becomes a serious threat is bad form of judgement? History should have taught us that, for example with the Nazi party. [QUOTE=yawmwen;19587827]This is a discussion, as long as other people stay civil with me, I try and stay civil with them. We can all gain a better perspective of the world if we open our minds and listen to what others are saying.[/QUOTE] That's good to hear. I have had far too many arguments with arrogant and close-minded individuals who just resort to flaming.

[QUOTE=David29;19587907]But couldn't one argue that failure to pre-emptively deal with something before it becomes a serious threat is bad form of judgement? History should have taught us that, for example with the Nazi party.[/quote] I doubt snuffing out the Nazi party before they became large would have prevented a fascist or otherwise militaristic regime from sprouting up in Germany. Germany was a perfect candidate at the time due to the constant economic collapses after WW1 and the fact they lost a huge war and wanted a nationalist leader to put them back as a world power. [quote]That's good to hear. I have had far too many arguments with arrogant and close-minded individuals who just resort to flaming.[/QUOTE] A discussion gets no where if it resorts to flaming, not only will no one listen to me but it makes it so I have a harder time listening to them, I tend to only make personal comments if someone else provokes me into it.

what a nutter

Iran means "land of the aryans". Just sayin'

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19563811]freedom of expression. If a Muslim in America wants to loudly shout "DEATH TO USA" and support Al-Qaeda, that is his right to do so, and he shouldn't be penalized at all. whats next? Should we also deport every Buddhists because of their extreme pacifism might be against the war?[/QUOTE] "Death To USA" Aka you, your family, and everything your country stands for, yet they are there living and taking advantage of all services you provide. Where's the justice in that? If someones against your way of life, your country, your freedom, deport them back to where they came from.

[QUOTE=StormHammer;19562987]AKA all politics.[/QUOTE] fixed. [editline]12:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;19583940]oh gee, I sure would like to be a gay, black poor person in the US.[/QUOTE] i'm a gay poor person and it's not that bad, bro.

[QUOTE=David29;19587485]Not sure whether the guy is just being racist or if he is just plain dumb, but Iranian =/= terrorist. Equally, Muslim =/= terrorist. On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with the deportation of people linked to extremist groups as well as possibly any Muslims who are outwardly violent. I'm all for freedom of speech, but there is a difference between protesting and saying "I disagree with x, y and z" and "Death to USA/UK/Europe!".[/QUOTE] You can shout "death to america w/e" all you want. it's called freedom. [editline]06:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killergam;19590333]"Death To USA" Aka you, your family, and everything your country stands for, yet they are there living and taking advantage of all services you provide. Where's the justice in that?[/quote] oh boo hoo, let them be hypocrites. And the services provided by America isn't exactly the greatest. [quote]If someones against your way of life, your country, your freedom, deport them back to where they came from.[/QUOTE] I have a better idea. Put them all in camps and gas them. would you like that?

There's a reason I hate politics. :| Dumbasses like this man make me sad.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;19587715]It enrages me that people have to see people like this on the news as our "representatives". It gives the good people a bad name being categorized with filth like him.[/QUOTE] because no one agree's with him, amirite

[QUOTE=Killergam;19590333]"Death To USA" Aka you, your family, and everything your country stands for, yet they are there living and taking advantage of all services you provide. Where's the justice in that? If someones against your way of life, your country, your freedom, deport them back to where they came from.[/QUOTE] As long as they don't commit any crimes, they're allowed to support Al Qaeda all they want. Can't really stop them, sir. And to do so would be impeding on their rights.

[QUOTE=StormHammer;19562987]AKA [del]American[/del] politics.[/QUOTE] fixed [editline]06:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killergam;19590333]"Death To USA" Aka you, your family, and everything your country stands for, yet they are there living and taking advantage of all services you provide. Where's the justice in that? If someones against your way of life, your country, your freedom, deport them back to where they came from.[/QUOTE] Hey there's this chinese guy and he called me a bad word I guess all chinese people are dicks and they all must die :downs: Go back to the gmod forums

Just abolish religion, then that will fix the problem of so called Terrorism.

[QUOTE=radioactive;19592173]Just abolish religion, then that will fix the problem of so called Terrorism.[/QUOTE] No it won't.

[QUOTE=Pascall;19592223]No it won't.[/QUOTE] Prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=radioactive;19592237]Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] Not all terrorists use religious motives. Most do, but not all. There would still be some that are terrorists just because they don't like the West. Also, like the person said below, there are also domestic terrorists that do not use religious motives. There are more than one type of terrorist.

[quote=radioactive;19592237]prove me wrong.[/quote] PETA (heheh) [editline]07:00PM[/editline] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/50/ALFbeagles.jpg/250px-ALFbeagles.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Pascall;19592277]Not all terrorists use religious motives. Most do, but not all. There would still be some that are terrorists just because they don't like the West. Also, like the person said below, there are also domestic terrorists that do not use religious motives. There are more than one type of terrorist.[/QUOTE] There'd be less Terrorists though.

Terrorism is usually caused by political motives

[QUOTE=radioactive;19592339]There'd be less Terrorists though.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it wouldn't fix the whole problem. There will always be terrorism, regardless of the motives.

Its just that dem moslem arab terrorists are getting all the attention from the media and in today's generation Terrorist = Muslim Extremist