People with Muslim sounding names less likely to be hired and promoted - Polidicks

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51794628]Israel isn't a muslim country. Qatar is a glorified US army base so it doesn't count. UAE is a corrupt shithole and it's okay only if you're a rich male otherwise enjoy slavery and being treated like a second class citizen. Saudi Arabia is a theocratic shithole that funds international terrorism and is also still only great so long as you're male and not poor. Try again. There's Muslim majority countries that are good places, you didn't have to scrap the shit barrel..[/QUOTE] Source?

[QUOTE=Evilrakion;51794956]Source?[/QUOTE] Source about what?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51794981]Source about what?[/QUOTE] UAE

I think it's always been like this, which kind of sucks, but it's not exclusive to muslims. I have a vietnamese acquaintance who changed his name from Minh to Michael and got a job right away. Anecdotal yes, but I've heard of similar storys through friends.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51794486]This is a classic example of implicit bias. People can hold no ill will towards a minority group, have no conscious thoughts of racism or ethnic bias, but still demonstrate discriminatory practices. It's not because people are awful racists who deserve to be punished, it's because the human brain is still stuck on the Serengeti where having a little voice saying 'hey he's not part of your tribe he's not your friend' is an evolutionarily-beneficial survival trait. Some caveman part of your brain has the sole purpose of making lightning-fast, skin-deep assessments of other people, because hesitating and [i]not[/i] judging a book by its cover got your ancestors' cousins killed. It's not intentional, it's not something people deserve to get raked over coals for, but it's real and it's a problem. So it bugs me when people claim that racism is dead essentially because overt racism is unpopular, when there are still tons and tons of studies showing these kinds of implicit biases regarding a whole host of groups- everything from race to sex to height to accent. And at the risk of opening a can of worms with this statement, this is what people are talking about when they discuss privilege- stuff that gives you a leg up without you being aware of it, like not having to worry about a black-sounding name or Southern accent damaging your job prospects. I don't have a solution to this, because implicit bias operates on a level below where any conscious action can address it. Maybe companies could review resumes with the names removed, but logistically that sounds difficult and doesn't fix promotion. But it's a real issue that more people ought to be aware of.[/QUOTE] I will admit that I have this. My rational mind tells me "yeah, that is definitely a foreign name, but whatever" but my primitive brain is telling "do not trust them, they may be up to no good". Doesn't help that half my life has been post-9/11 in a very conservative area, so I was pre-conditioned to be averse to Muslims or anything that seems related to the Middle East. You grow up in it, and it becomes the norm. Fortunately I can overcome that instinct since my personal experience has proved that instinct wrong, but I think a lot of people cannot, which is a problem.

[QUOTE=Demache;51795140]I will admit that I have this. My rational mind tells me "yeah, that is definitely a foreign name, but whatever" but my primitive brain is telling "do not trust them, they may be up to no good". Doesn't help that half my life has been post-9/11 in a very conservative area, so I was pre-conditioned to be averse to Muslims or anything that seems related to the Middle East. You grow up in it, and it becomes the norm. Fortunately I can overcome that instinct since my personal experience has proved that instinct wrong, but I think a lot of people cannot, which is a problem.[/QUOTE] IIRC there's also evidence that just being [i]aware[/i] of implicit bias greatly reduces susceptibility to it, although it doesn't eliminate it entirely, which is part of why I think educating people about it is important. Good on you for trying to keep an open mind.

If you got student loan payments good luck when you come back, dey gon fuck you big time.

[QUOTE=Evilrakion;51794992]UAE[/QUOTE] Regarding corruption or what is essentially a slave trade. Plenty of info regarding the latter can be obtained through a quick Google search.

[QUOTE=Evilrakion;51794992]UAE[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-slaves-of-dubai[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates[/url] [url]http://www.smh.com.au/world/dubai-in-united-arab-emirates-an-epicentre-of-human-trafficking-and-prostitution-20160115-gm6mdl.html[/url] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus+world/united-arab-emirates[/url] [url]http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/UnitedArabEmirates.htm[/url] [url]http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/middle-east/dubai-migrant-workers-the-hidden-slaves-behind-glamour-city/news-story/b3997ed5b013870424e84d78a561946c[/url] [url]http://canvas.union.shef.ac.uk/wordpress/?p=1860[/url] [url]https://www.rt.com/news/246901-migrant-workers-uae-slave/[/url] I can post more if needed but you're free to google for more as well.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51794486]This is a classic example of implicit bias. People can hold no ill will towards a minority group, have no conscious thoughts of racism or ethnic bias, but still demonstrate discriminatory practices. It's not because people are awful racists who deserve to be punished, it's because the human brain is still stuck on the Serengeti where having a little voice saying 'hey he's not part of your tribe he's not your friend' is an evolutionarily-beneficial survival trait. Some caveman part of your brain has the sole purpose of making lightning-fast, skin-deep assessments of other people, because hesitating and [i]not[/i] judging a book by its cover got your ancestors' cousins killed. It's not intentional, it's not something people deserve to get raked over coals for, but it's real and it's a problem. So it bugs me when people claim that racism is dead essentially because overt racism is unpopular, when there are still tons and tons of studies showing these kinds of implicit biases regarding a whole host of groups- everything from race to sex to height to accent. And at the risk of opening a can of worms with this statement, this is what people are talking about when they discuss privilege- stuff that gives you a leg up without you being aware of it, like not having to worry about a black-sounding name or Southern accent damaging your job prospects. I don't have a solution to this, because implicit bias operates on a level below where any conscious action can address it. Maybe companies could review resumes with the names removed, but logistically that sounds difficult and doesn't fix promotion. But it's a real issue that more people ought to be aware of.[/QUOTE] Implicit racism is fought by letting people be aware and concious of it when it happens and what it looks like. Sadly this often looks as if you're accusing them of being racist (you kind of are but not really, because nearly everyone is effected by it), and people get extremely defensive and backlash (Which leads to all sorts of "anti-sjw" movements and anti-intellectual movements when professors try explaining these things.)

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51795609][url]https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-slaves-of-dubai[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates[/url] [url]http://www.smh.com.au/world/dubai-in-united-arab-emirates-an-epicentre-of-human-trafficking-and-prostitution-20160115-gm6mdl.html[/url] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus+world/united-arab-emirates[/url] [url]http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/UnitedArabEmirates.htm[/url] [url]http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/middle-east/dubai-migrant-workers-the-hidden-slaves-behind-glamour-city/news-story/b3997ed5b013870424e84d78a561946c[/url] [url]http://canvas.union.shef.ac.uk/wordpress/?p=1860[/url] [url]https://www.rt.com/news/246901-migrant-workers-uae-slave/[/url] I can post more if needed but you're free to google for more as well.[/QUOTE] [url]http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/UK.htm[/url] uh aside from a few events i don't really see anything but isolated occurrences that happen all over the world? it's easy to google that shit for every country. not all middle eastern countries are shitholes like you think

Can confirm this is happening in Norway too. A good friend of mine from Paraguay with education and practical experience within Philosophy, psychiatry and theology tried to get a job for two solid years. He got it a couple of weeks after he legally changed his name to a Norwegian sounding one, and started applying that to his CV and job applications

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51797049]Implicit racism is fought by letting people be aware and concious of it when it happens and what it looks like. Sadly this often looks as if you're accusing them of being racist (you kind of are but not really, because nearly everyone is effected by it), and people get extremely defensive and backlash (Which leads to all sorts of "anti-sjw" movements and anti-intellectual movements when professors try explaining these things.)[/QUOTE] Then you introduce opportunist politicians who jump upon this as their chance to get power. Like Socrates' criticism of democracy, the person raising awareness for racism is the doctor (the person who is logical, honest and is telling you to eat less sweets for your health) and the opportunist politician is the other guy (the person who is illogical, dishonest but is telling you that you don't need to eat less sweets to improve your health) Education in skepticism and critical thinking from an early age is the answer imo along with training people to dismiss their first bs thoughts from the amygdala and to wait for a logical conclusion before they pass judgement or act.