Intel Skylake embargo is over, new Z170 series motherboards and dual-channel DDR4 RAM kits released - Polidicks

[QUOTE=draugur;48384585]As I said, unless you have stupid amounts of money to spend no it isn't at all a reason to upgrade yet. You're not looking at a direct benefit more than an average of 3% for over twice the cost increase. DDR4 is not viable for a very large majority of people other than super rich turbo nerds who don't understand how to crunch numbers and only think that more=better combined with expensive=better. Give it a half a year or more and MAYBE ddr4 will become a viable reason to upgrade, but not yet. [/QUOTE] you sound frustrated that some people are willing to spend more of their disposable income on their hobby. [editline]5th August 2015[/editline] there's far more reason to upgrade with Skylake than with Devil's Canyon or Haswell. whether or not it immediately applies to you is irrelevant. i'm not going to be upgrading because i upgraded with a new motherboard + CPU/RAM at Haswell and it's serving my relatively lightweight computing needs well. but i know people who really see benefit in DDR4, so they're upgrading now

[QUOTE=.Lain;48384689]you sound frustrated that some people are willing to spend more of their disposable income on their hobby. [editline]5th August 2015[/editline] there's far more reason to upgrade with Skylake than with Devil's Canyon or Haswell. whether or not it immediately applies to you is irrelevant. i'm not going to be upgrading because i upgraded with a new motherboard + CPU/RAM at Haswell and it's serving my relatively lightweight computing needs well. but i know people who really see benefit in DDR4, so they're upgrading now[/QUOTE] How do I sound frustrated? I never said people can't make stupid purchases if they want to, all I said is that if you have any reason to worry about spending money that it's a stupid decision and you're not going to get any real benefit from it. This is primarily a gaming forum, at this moment ddr4 is not offering a significant performance increase to justify upgrading if you at all have to worry about spending money, spin the facts however you want that's a constant that remains the same.

'who don't understand how to crunch numbers' you're implying that anyone upgrading now just doesn't know how to manage money. which is naive.

[QUOTE=.Lain;48384731]'who don't understand how to crunch numbers' you're implying that anyone upgrading now just doesn't know how to manage money. which is naive.[/QUOTE] Crunching numbers doesn't always mean managing money thanks for taking that out of context though. Crunching numbers as in: "Doing the math to understand exactly the performance you will get from this specific part." Here's a little dictionary entry to help you out in the future: [url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/number%20crunching[/url]

To give some perspective on how much behind Intel AMD is in terms of single threaded performance / IPC, [URL="https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html"]take a look at this[/URL] and CTRL + F AMD. The best AMD CPU (AMD FX-9590) scores only 10 points more than a fucking [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Celeron-G1850-LGA-1150/dp/B00J2LIE8I"]$50 Celeron[/URL] from last year.

[QUOTE=J!NX;48384623]would it even be worth buying this when I have an i5-4670k?[/QUOTE] Probably not. General rule of thumb is you upgrade every other cycle unless you're seeing massive performance increases. Massive is your own personal definition though really, some people say 10%, others 20%, some >30% etc. It's all about what you can justify spending large amounts of money on.

[QUOTE=draugur;48384743]Crunching numbers doesn't always mean managing money thanks for taking that out of context though. Crunching numbers as in: "Doing the math to understand exactly the performance you will get from this specific part." Here's a little dictionary entry to help you out in the future: [URL]http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/number crunching[/URL][/QUOTE] you still don't make any sense? DDR4 is a pretty considerable upgrade from DDR3. especially for 'turbo nerds'. i would say that anyone who wants high performance ram now should only consider DDR4. not being able to look at specifications and speed capabilities has nothing to do with it could you imagine the difference that ram speed might make to a multi-threaded video/photo rendering situation? or an enthusiast wanting to overclock

Been waiting a while to do a rig for myself, once DDR4 comes out more, wil DDR3 prices go through the floor more?

[QUOTE=.Lain;48384796]you still don't make any sense? DDR4 is a pretty considerable upgrade from DDR3. especially for 'turbo nerds'. i would say that anyone who wants high performance ram now should only consider DDR4. not being able to look at specifications and speed capabilities has nothing to do with it could you imagine the difference that ram speed might make to a multi-threaded video/photo rendering situation? or an enthusiast wanting to overclock[/QUOTE] I don't know how relevant this is today, but last articles I read on the subject had DDR4 making a [URL="http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/8"]negligible difference[/URL] over DDR3. If you have any more recent benchmarks showing real practical improvements, I welcome them. I'm not trying to attack you, I just don't follow this too closely and most of what I've seen seems to disagree.

[QUOTE=J!NX;48384623]would it even be worth buying this when I have an i5-4670k?[/QUOTE] No, not at all. [editline]5th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;48384681]Also AMD's graphics cards are good, idk what you're getting at with no good products. Intel has them beat at cpus for sure but their graphics cards are actually pretty decent for their price. The 390x compares to the 980 and is way cheaper, plus it's an 8gb card so you have plenty of space for large textures and the like. For $450 it's a pretty okay choice.[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything about AMD's GPU offerings - they're way closer to parity there, and in some aspects they do surpass Nvidia. People seem to forget that Nvidia introduced the GTX 980 Ti and dropped their prices as a preemptive strike against the Fury cards - they only seemed disappointing because of that really. Still, if the Nano isn't a big success, I doubt AMD is going to be able to compete for long - they're developing both CPUs and GPUs with a budget smaller than Nvidia's. Either way this wasn't about AMD GPUs, just their CPUs.

last i heard ddr4 was having some problems, is it still having these?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48385030]No, not at all. [editline]5th August 2015[/editline] I didn't say anything about AMD's GPU offerings - they're way closer to parity there, and in some aspects they do surpass Nvidia. People seem to forget that Nvidia introduced the GTX 980 Ti and dropped their prices as a preemptive strike against the Fury cards - they only seemed disappointing because of that really. Still, if the Nano isn't a big success, I doubt AMD is going to be able to compete for long - they're developing both CPUs and GPUs with a budget smaller than Nvidia's. Either way this wasn't about AMD GPUs, just their CPUs.[/QUOTE] True.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;48384967]I don't know how relevant this is today, but last articles I read on the subject had DDR4 making a [URL="http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/8"]negligible difference[/URL] over DDR3. If you have any more recent benchmarks showing real practical improvements, I welcome them. I'm not trying to attack you, I just don't follow this too closely and most of what I've seen seems to disagree.[/QUOTE] I would also like to see these benchmarks.

Would this be worth upgrading to from an AMD FX-8350? Been wanting to move to Intel for a while and this seems like a good a time as any. Also, are there many DDR3 motherboards on this chipset? Preferably without all the bullshit (Such as G1 Wireless Gaming and Crystal Sound) to bring the price down.

Wanted to upgrade from my 2500k but holy shit Intel doesn't give a shit about improving anymore. AMD is uncompetitive as fuck.

[QUOTE=lew06;48385402]Would this be worth upgrading to from an AMD FX-8350? Been wanting to move to Intel for a while and this seems like a good a time as any. Also, are there many DDR3 motherboards on this chipset? Preferably without all the bullshit (Such as G1 Wireless Gaming and Crystal Sound) to bring the price down.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately no it's a new socket and they're pushing DDR4 very hard with no new DDR3 boards on the net socket. You're looking at a the LGA 1151 socket range now. Though if you really want a definite upgrade, devil's canyon or w/e it was called is going to be dropping in price for sure now and the LGA 1150 boards too, they're still very solid for the price anyway. Basically either wait a bit for prices to drop on last cycle hardware or wait a bit for DDR4 ram to come down in price from the astronomical early adopter bullshit prices it has right now.

[QUOTE=draugur;48386127]Unfortunately no it's a new socket and they're pushing DDR4 very hard with no new DDR3 boards on the net socket. You're looking at a the LGA 1151 socket range now. Though if you really want a definite upgrade, devil's canyon or w/e it was called is going to be dropping in price for sure now and the LGA 1150 boards too, they're still very solid for the price anyway. Basically either wait a bit for prices to drop on last cycle hardware or wait a bit for DDR4 ram to come down in price from the astronomical early adopter bullshit prices it has right now.[/QUOTE] DDR4 right now is at what DDR3 was a few months ago. It's nothing insane.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48386147]DDR4 right now is at what DDR3 was a few months ago. It's nothing insane.[/QUOTE] It's astronomical considering the questionable performance increase. If it were like, a 10% or more increase I could totally see the price increase, but I don't see one for the average 3% reported. I mean we could be more radical with context removal too and just say, "well at least lit's not like pc part prices back in the 90's!" Or some shit but that's not super relevant. It's not the worst price increase ever you're right, but it's a little disingenuous to say that it's not still an important factor.

[QUOTE=draugur;48386155]It's astronomical considering the questionable performance increase. If it were like, a 10% or more increase I could totally see the price increase, but I don't see one for the average 3% reported. I mean we could be more radical with context removal too and just say, "well at least lit's not like pc part prices back in the 90's!" Or some shit but that's not super relevant. It's not the worst price increase ever you're right, but it's a little disingenuous to say that it's not still an important factor.[/QUOTE] So you expect a new technology to be on par price wise with something quite late into it's manufacturing cycle? I don't think you understand now yield works in the computer world.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48386224]So you expect a new technology to be on par price wise with something quite late into it's manufacturing cycle? I don't think you understand now yield works in the computer world.[/QUOTE] I never said I expected that? It's fully expected for it to cost more, I don't know where you're getting this from. I just said that it's not worth buying into for probably most people due to the questionable nature of improvement at this point. Because it isn't.

[QUOTE=J!NX;48384623]would it even be worth buying this when I have an i5-4670k?[/QUOTE] Nah, if anything just save up for upgrading to a 5th gen with the same socket if you feel the need to upgrade. Even then my 4th Gen i5 is still pretty damn strong too considering its unlocked so I'd just stick with it for now.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;48386302]Nah, if anything just save up for upgrading to a 5th gen with the same socket if you feel the need to upgrade. Even then my 4th Gen i5 is still pretty damn strong too considering its unlocked so I'd just stick with it for now.[/QUOTE] The 5775 or 5675 is hardly worth upgrading to. Can't even buy them retail.

As usual I like hearing about new consumer hardware, though I doubt I'll be using any of it for a while. I upgrade when the money is available and the difference is significant. My current PC is two years old and I'm planning to keep it around for another 3-4. I'll probably start overclocking it little by little as the years get on instead of a CPU upgrade.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48385187]I would also like to see these benchmarks.[/QUOTE] [img]http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9483/DDR4%20DDR3L_575px.png[/img] In general there's not a big boost but the video encoding bump due to higher frequency is certainly not negligible. If you were doing really high quality encoding of long or large files (which I have had to do myself at times) you would appreciate it if you're currently running 1600MHz or 1866MHz DDR3. [editline]6th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;48386155]It's astronomical considering the questionable performance increase. If it were like, a 10% or more increase I could totally see the price increase, but I don't see one for the average 3% reported. I mean we could be more radical with context removal too and just say, "well at least lit's not like pc part prices back in the 90's!" Or some shit but that's not super relevant. It's not the worst price increase ever you're right, but it's a little disingenuous to say that it's not still an important factor.[/QUOTE] Big thing for me about DDR4 is higher density modules. Getting a 4x16GB kit. Also anyone who needs a ton of bandwidth for connecting physical devices is salivating over future Alpine Ridge boards with TB3 and USB 3.1 Gen2.

Well yes, encoding and zipping always loves faster RAM. Wasn't talking about that as much.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48386462]Well yes, encoding and zipping always loves faster RAM. Wasn't talking about that as much.[/QUOTE] It's a real practical improvement. It doesn't apply to most people though, but the thing is that there's no reason to even wait for DDR3 Z170 boards because they'll need DDR3L which is probably not what someone's computer currently has, and you will end up paying the same price as DDR4 memory.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;48386487]It's a real practical improvement. It doesn't apply to most people though, but the thing is that there's no reason to even wait for DDR3 Z170 boards because they'll need DDR3L which is probably not what someone's computer currently has, and you will end up paying the same price as DDR4 memory.[/QUOTE] I was never arguing the price part though. Just the benefit for most people. [QUOTE=Levelog;48384510]Not for a strong majority of people, to be fair.[/QUOTE]

I used to understand the processor market loads better, but I don't anymore. I need a fairly capable budget processor capable of doing audio rendering (ableton) and multithreading, since I'm already starting to see problems with my i5-2500k that is requiring me to funky things to save CPU. is it going to have to be the i7 line (as i5 vs i7 came down to needing the hyperthreading years ago), or is AMD my ticket?

[QUOTE=paindoc;48386717]I'm already starting to see problems with my i5-2500k that is requiring me to funky things to save CPU[/QUOTE] What's happening?

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;48386074]Wanted to upgrade from my 2500k but holy shit Intel doesn't give a shit about improving anymore. AMD is uncompetitive as fuck.[/QUOTE] So it's really not worth it then? What about gtx 900 series? Is it worth getting or waiting for pascal now?