'Illegal' immigrant begs to be kicked out of the UK after handing himself in at police station - Polidicks

Manchester's a place where unless it's organised to give a fuck about other people, nobody gives a fuck about anybody, at least generally. There may actually be a serial killer in Manchester too. Although GMP aren't tying them together, they were all found in the Canal ST canal found murdered in the same way over the span of 5+ years.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48752601]That picture only serves to demonstrate how much Spanish is spoken in America? Which is quite a fair bit. Why not just recognize Spanish as one of national languages?[/QUOTE] How about just learn English if you go to an English speaking country? It's the langua franca of many trades, businesses and political organizations for much of the Western world, it's the primary language of the country, and there's no good reason to try and fragment the primary language of the country just to accommodate people who come here and refuse to assimilate and learn English. Creating a country where being bilingual is a requirement for proper functioning in society is a misguided nightmare. [editline]24th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HookerVomit;48751878]Its really hard to find a job where I live if you don't know Spanish. Which I find upsetting and ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Texas or Arizona? What field are you looking in, just curious. [editline]24th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48751772']Unlike China, which has also has a large variety of languages and dialects btw, America is not a homogeneous society and never has been. Throughout most of our history it's been the case that new immigrants did not learn the language. In the 1860-80s, most German and Chinese immigrants couldn't speak English and it would be at least one generation down the line before most would know English. In the 1890s-1910s it was rare for Italians, Russians, Lithuanians, or Poles to know much English beyond simple trade dialogues until a couple generations down the line. Most first generation Japanese immigrants never learned English in the 1910s-1940s. While some Mexican immigrants brought in in the 40s knew English, it wasn't a large number of them. America has no official language and it's rare that first generation migrants ever learn the language fluently, if at all, in our history.[/QUOTE] Which is understandable; if you've ever spoken to an old immigrant they will undoubtedly tell you that education and learning English and the ways of American life are essential to success. I've been lucky enough to speak at length with a ton of old Polish, Russian, German, Italian, etc immigrants who are at the end of their lives and they have all consistently stressed the importance of learning English and making sure their children learn English from birth on up. The recent progressive move to change from "immigrants learning English" to "natives learning Spanish" is a misguided attempt at comforting and satiating immigrants with no interest in assimilating to American culture, which is predominantly English. The end result will be a population who speaks English-only, a population who speaks Spanish-only, and a minority of bilingual Spanish/English speakers. In this situation, not only will Spanish-speaking immigrants need to learn English to successfully communicate with a significant portion of the population, but now English-speaking natives will need to learn Spanish to communicate with the others. In terms of raw work being performed and effort exerted, there is nothing efficient or reasonable about expecting the massive majority of English speakers to learn Spanish rather than just asking the minority of Spanish-only speakers to learn [I]English[/I]. Not only that, but even if everybody learned English/Spanish, it does nothing to override the fact that this is an English speaking country: Law, business/industry, politics, education, everything is in English. Are we going to rework our entire society to meet the needs of an immigrant population that refuses to put any work into becoming American other than showing up? [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48751772']The reason why we're teaching English speakers Spanish is because the large influx of migrants in the 90s-early 2000s specifically didn't know the language, there was no way to teach it to them en masse, and yet we can't reasonably handle the situation at all without some overlap in the language.[/QUOTE] It's always good to be bilingual, and if there's any good coming out of the Spanish-speaking population's increase it would be the renewed focus on language studies in America, but this is a band-aid fix for the reasons outlined above: it's an English speaking country and trying to overhaul and rebuild our entire society in a new language is not only unrealistic but entirely unnecessary. [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48751772']The vaaaast majority of second generation latino immigrants know English, which is a large increase when considering the past situation. The whole "learn the language" thing is ridiculous and completely shallow and more often then not is just part of right-wing buzz topics to further cement xenophobia. "Hurr durr people from somewhere else who are here now dont speak the same words as me! rabble rabble what dis world comin to?"[/quote] Yes, and we should continue this trend by focusing on English education for Spanish-speakers rather than trying to accommodate them more and more and say "you know what? don't worry about it Spanish speakers. Everyone will just go ahead and learn Spanish so you don't have to learn English :)". Why exactly does this make sense to you? If we ask Spanish-speakers to learn English, the de-facto language of our country and largely of [I]the global community[/I], we're being xenophobic and probably racist. So the solution is to instead ask everyone [I]else[/I] to learn their language? How is this any different, other than the fact that it completely misses the logical option of teaching the majority language to the minority rather than the reverse? Your impersonation of some right wing "hurr durr" guy being upset about Spanish-speakers just shows that you're unwilling to think in reality and prefer to take a snarky moral high ground over people who live and work in the real world. An influx of people in society that don't speak your language [I]is[/I] a problem. It causes problems for business, it causes problems for public service, it causes problems for education and politics, it is a problem in every sense of the word: the inability to communicate with the majority of the country you're living in isn't a badge of honor, it's a severe problem and borderline disability in terms of impact. [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48751772']Fact of the matter is that there are 11 million latino immigrants in the US today an 46 million hispanics. The majority of them speak spanish, either alongside english or on its own. Does it seriously make sense to you that 20% of our population be alienated for the comfort of some native speakers? In areas where there are high numbers of spanish speaker it only makes sense to get everyone on the same page linguistically.[/QUOTE] Does it seriously make sense to you that the majority of the country be forced to learn a second language just to function in society without disturbing or inconveniencing a massive immigrant population that refuses to assimilate? You're right about one thing, it does make sense to get everyone on the same page linguistically; How you arrived at the conclusion that this is best achieved by teaching the entire country a new language rather than teaching immigrants to speak English is beyond me. Have you ever considered the impact this would have on immigrants that [I]don't[/I] speak Spanish? Considering all the talk of alienation and xenophobia you seem to forget that there are still significant immigrant populations that don't speak Spanish and are already struggling to learn English. You're now creating an environment in which immigrants from any non-Speaking country, be it Russia, Norway, Poland, etc, now have to learn both English [I]and[/I] Spanish to function! Whereas if the Spanish-speaking population would just pick up their slack and continue the trend of immigrants learning English that has lead to the successful integration of numerous immigrant populations throughout our history, this wouldn't be an issue. [editline]24th September 2015[/editline] What happens when the next generation of immigrants come from Russia? From China? From Japan? From Sweden? Will America learn a new language every 20 years when a new population knocks on the front door and says they can't be bothered with learning English?

[QUOTE]Fact of the matter is that there are 11 million latino immigrants in the US today an 46 million hispanics. The majority of them speak spanish, either alongside english or on its own. Does it seriously make sense to you that 20% of our population be alienated for the comfort of some native speakers? [/QUOTE] The thing is the "some native speakers" as you refer to them probably make up more than 80% of the population. Of the 20% of spanish speakers I would wager that a good percentage speak English as well. So in answer to your twisted logic/math, Yes they should.

Manchester was voted the best city in the UK not long ago.

[QUOTE=srobins;48752763] What happens when the next generation of immigrants come from Russia? From China? From Japan? From Sweden? Will America learn a new language every 20 years when a new population knocks on the front door and says they can't be bothered with learning English?[/QUOTE] Educational systems have progressed since then, and even if people don't get much knowledge of english from their schools\universities, it's still pretty common nowdays to learn at least the basics of the language of a country you're going to emigrate to. Still, it's a mistery to me how can a person live in a country for years and have virtually zero knowledge of it's language. I mean, when every road sign, every ad, every tv show is on that language, and 99 percent of people around you use it to communicate, you must be a complete degenerate or a sociopath to not learn anything about it throughout the years. Those close communities of chinease\russians\etc must be really depressive to live in.

[QUOTE=KnightSolaire;48753252]Manchester was voted the best city in the UK not long ago.[/QUOTE] Doesn't really mean much. Hull was voted worst place to live in the UK 2005, yet is city of culture. It's still a shithole like 10 years ago.

[QUOTE=Goldb207;48751198]Is Manchester that bad?[/QUOTE] No, it's one of the better cities in the UK.

[QUOTE=srobins;48752746]lol, no offense but I think it has more to do with the massive amounts of Spanish speaking immigrants, not trade connections.[/QUOTE] It's probably a combination of both really. Things usually aren't black or white you know. [editline]24th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=srobins;48752763]-stuff that is literally saying the same thing over and over again about how the immigrants should learn english and we shouldn't have to learn spanish-[/QUOTE] Look dude, I hope you do realize that no one is saying that the immigrants shouldn't learn English, we aren't. It's just that we should also probably be learning Spanish as well. This world is largely interconnected this day and age especially with our neighbors (IE South and Central America) and considering that a large percentage of people in this country speak Spanish we should probably also try to learn it as well so we can fucking communicate better. Seriously, most other Developed countries and the majority of Developing countries in this day there are multiple languages being taught than just the native language because it's stupid not to.

to be honest, most mancunians are begging to be kicked out of manchester too

Manchester is amazing, been living here for the last 5 years and never had any problems. If you find people unfriendly then you must be doing something wrong because so far it's been the friendliest city I've lived in, and that's coming from a londoner, who stereotypically northerners have a problem with.

[QUOTE=HookerVomit;48751465]We have the same problem here in 'murica. A lot of people who have been here for over 5/10+ years will refuse to speak or learn english and now we have job sites that require you to know Spanish and its like, WHY? This is America?? Learn english... Americans don't go to China and expect people to know and learn their Language. Its CHINA. [/QUOTE] i don't know man. plenty americans come here and expect everyone to speak english to them (and act surprised when you do, which is condescending as fuck) and some groups in the expat community barely know any Spanish (my neighbor was born and raised here and her Spanish doesn't go beyond "donde esta el ba~o".) Americans going to non english speaking places and expecting people to know english seems pretty true to me dude.

[QUOTE=cherry gmod;48755350]Manchester is amazing, been living here for the last 5 years and never had any problems. If you find people unfriendly then you must be doing something wrong because so far it's been the friendliest city I've lived in, and that's coming from a londoner, who stereotypically northerners have a problem with.[/QUOTE] I think it depends on where in manchester, some of the more impoverished areas are rough as fuck

[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;48755391]i don't know man. plenty americans come here and expect everyone to speak english to them (and act surprised when you do, which is condescending as fuck) and some groups in the expat community barely know any Spanish (my neighbor was born and raised here and her Spanish doesn't go beyond "donde esta el ba~o".) Americans going to non english speaking places and expecting people to know english seems pretty true to me dude.[/QUOTE] It isn't condescending for us to expect you to speak the English language. We, the United States, have owned you, Puerto Rico, since we landed there during the Spanish-American War in 1898. You've been a territory of ours for well over 100 years now, and by American law, [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1402]you're natural-born citizens of the United States[/url]. You actually are Americans like us and have been considered as such for decades now. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico]You're represented in Congress, and you've of course had the statehood movement going amongst your own people[/url]. Spanish heritage obviously is going to remain tied to you and your people, and nobody's asking you to give all of that up, but there must be linguistic assimilation-- especially given your extremely comfortable and complicit relationship with us as our territory, and the fact you're in truth American citizens...

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48752244]The Gaelic language is on the verge of extinction in Scotland, while the vast majority of Irish people and Welsh people are incapable of speaking it in. As for English, there aren't any speakers of Celtic languages who don't also speak English.[/QUOTE] Gaelic was only ever the language spoken in the highlands of Scotland. Most of the Scottish population spoke Scots, which is just a dialect of English. But the SNP are a bunch of idiots who want to play up "Scotland's proud history of independence" so you've got them busy inventing gaelic names for places that never had a gaelic name to start with lol

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48757337]I think it depends on where in manchester, some of the more impoverished areas are rough as fuck[/QUOTE] I live just outside of the city near Rusholme which can be pretty bad. Been attacked once on the way to work, but I knew that that alleyway had a reputation and I was only down there cause I was late for work and it was a shortcut. If you know how to stay out of trouble and which areas to try and steer clear from you're fine. There are some really nice areas in Manchester and I've enjoyed it here since I moved.

He appears disillusioned because of lack of work, well welcome to the real world. This situation is the same for indigenous people of the UK too, everyone wants a great job with big money. Apparently he isn't here illegally and his Iranian passport has run out, so basically he hasn't had the good sense to renew his passport himself and wants to freeload his way home now. [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247005/Send-home-Iran-t-stand-Manchester-Illegal-immigrant-begs-kicked-UK-handing-police-station.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Govna;48757347]It isn't condescending for us to expect you to speak the English language. We, the United States, have owned you, Puerto Rico, since we landed there during the Spanish-American War in 1898. You've been a territory of ours for well over 100 years now, and by American law, [URL="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1402"]you're natural-born citizens of the United States[/URL]. You actually are Americans like us and have been considered as such for decades now. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico"]You're represented in Congress, and you've of course had the statehood movement going amongst your own people[/URL]. Spanish heritage obviously is going to remain tied to you and your people, and nobody's asking you to give all of that up, but there must be linguistic assimilation-- especially given your extremely comfortable and complicit relationship with us as our territory, and the fact you're in truth American citizens...[/QUOTE] what does owning the land have to do with anything language wise. you sound like a dude obsessed with his country and language. tru patriot [editline]25th September 2015[/editline] if less than 10% speaks english in a state like in puerto rico, you can fuck off with your dictatorship crap. the most you can reasonably expect is for legal conduct to be taken place in both languages, expecting the people to learn the language which will be ultimately useless to them is ridiculous and childish spanish is the official language of the island. you're just gonna have to deal with that, because it's what the people want. that's what america is about.

[QUOTE=HookerVomit;48751465]We have the same problem here in 'murica. A lot of people who have been here for over 5/10+ years will refuse to speak or learn english and now we have job sites that require you to know Spanish and its like, WHY? This is America?? Learn english... Americans don't go to China and expect people to know and learn their Language. Its CHINA. I had an Australian woman come to my store yesterday and I was helping her out at the register, and this spanish woman who didnt know ANY english, but seemed to know where she was and basically wasn't confused about anything else than English was asking me things and she literally knew no English and I was wondering how she even knew how to get to this exact store? Anyways, the Australian woman started getting upset saying this was America and that you should know the language or get the hell out. I digress..[/QUOTE] America doesn't have an official language. The government operates with English, obviously, but they have declared no official language and therefore it isn't really a requirement to speak it. My stance is that it is fine if you don'r speak English, but don't be offended if people don't understand you. That is your problem. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HookerVomit;48751878]Its really hard to find a job where I live if you don't know Spanish. Which I find upsetting and ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Only in the south. In the north most people don't speak any Spanish. It would be like complaining that I can't get a job in Quebec without speaking some French. Dialects, languages, and demographics change and in a country with no official language it is to be expected that many people won't learn English.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48751479]I'd say the reason Spanish is taught is more so because our Central and South American trading partners are huge traders with us.[/QUOTE] No I'd say its because almost the entire southern portion of the US (Most notably states bordering Mexico) have extremely large latino populations. Not only that, they also share an enormous amount of culture with Latino countries. Although anyone comparing the illegal immigration problem in the US to that of Britain and the rest of Europe should realize that they're entirely different issues. The US as a country has been built by a series of mass migrations (The Irish and Chinese being two notable examples) so we have the experience required to take in massive amounts of people. Another point is that the extremely diverse nature of America (built by immigrants from all over the world) means that in all likelihood there are preexisting groups for immigrants to assimilate into. This is not the case with the current migration in Europe. The refugees coming into Europe have a completely alien culture to most of the countries they're entering. There are no preexisting groups for the migrants to assimilate into. Instead you have two groups of people who have nothing in common with each other (besides being human) being forced into a situation that requires them to interact at a level that the host country has never seen before. [editline]27th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HookerVomit;48751878]Its really hard to find a job where I live if you don't know Spanish. Which I find upsetting and ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Where do you live? I've never had that problem and I live close enough to the border that we get immigrant crossing signs on the highways occasionally.

[QUOTE=Govna;48757347]It isn't condescending for us to expect you to speak the English language. We, the United States, have owned you, Puerto Rico, since we landed there during the Spanish-American War in 1898. You've been a territory of ours for well over 100 years now, and by American law, [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1402]you're natural-born citizens of the United States[/url]. You actually are Americans like us and have been considered as such for decades now. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico]You're represented in Congress, and you've of course had the statehood movement going amongst your own people[/url]. Spanish heritage obviously is going to remain tied to you and your people, and nobody's asking you to give all of that up, but there must be linguistic assimilation-- especially given your extremely comfortable and complicit relationship with us as our territory, and the fact you're in truth American citizens...[/QUOTE] How many languages do you speak?

[QUOTE=.Lain;48760247]what does owning the land have to do with anything language wise. you sound like a dude obsessed with his country and language. tru patriot [editline]25th September 2015[/editline] if less than 10% speaks english in a state like in puerto rico, you can fuck off with your dictatorship crap. the most you can reasonably expect is for legal conduct to be taken place in both languages, expecting the people to learn the language which will be ultimately useless to them is ridiculous and childish spanish is the official language of the island. you're just gonna have to deal with that, because it's what the people want. that's what america is about.[/QUOTE] ...what [i]doesn't[/i] it have to do with what language they speak? They're considered citizens of the United States, they're legally a territory of ours, they use our currency, they conduct business with our government and our people on a regular basis. There's a lot of unnecessary complications that are made here though because so many of them only speak Spanish, which doesn't make sense for them to do in the 21st century now that English has firmly-established itself as the international language of choice for almost literally everything (STEM fields, diplomacy, military purposes, music and entertainment, business and banking, tourism, etc.) and because of, you know, our extremely close relationship to each other. They even teach them English, but the people don't bother to adopt it and retain it; the majority of people don't understand it at an advanced level despite having to learn it from the time they're in elementary school up to high school, and there's only a handful of schools anywhere there that teach entirely in English to thoroughly hammer it into students. If they want to speak Spanish that badly and ignore English, that's fine. But until they start assimilating on a basic level (and yes, language is incredibly basic), we're not going to have much more to do with them than what we already have been for the last 100+ years. We'll just continue to treat them as a territory, they'll be prevented from ever becoming a state, they will never receive any of the economic or governmental benefits of statehood (which they could use right now since they have a 13% unemployment rate), and that's that. Understand that this doesn't affect me one bit; they're the ones who were petitioning for statehood here. I don't care what happens to them with that or what they choose to do with their people and their island. Their problems are, since they're a territory, pretty much confined to them. But arguing that English would be a "useless" language for them to learn is ridiculous-- putting the statehood issue aside for a moment. It is the most valuable language in the world, and this can't be contested. It's spoken internationally for business and banking, STEM fields, diplomacy, tourism, music and entertainment, military purposes, etc. It's the second-most common language in the world, it's spoken on a much wider basis than any other language in the world (Mandarin is the largest in terms of the number of speakers, but it is not the most widespread). English is not going anywhere, so other people need to learn to deal with that fact and learn to speak it-- especially the people of Puerto Rico, who are given the opportunity to do so but instead just willingly choose not to. If you want decent odds at doing anything with yourself in this world, then you are going to have to be educated in English. And that's how simple it is. Again, this isn't a problem for me as a native English speaker, so I don't care. If you want to limit yourselves and not learn something worthwhile that would be beneficiary to you over your entire lifetime despite being given the opportunity to do so, that's fine. You're fucked, I'm not. [QUOTE=Satansick;48772470]How many languages do you speak?[/QUOTE] English (of course), French (two years in high school and a semester at community college), Spanish (one year in high school and half a semester at community college; my stepfather and his family were originally from Mexico, so I had some prior exposure to it as well at home), and I'm beginning to study German at university now (prior exposure here again, from my mother).