Intelligence Officials: Russians may have Compromising Information on Trump - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tudd;51653072] But come on, I will call out the retards here who are like, "Well who cares if it's fake, makes Trump look bad."[/QUOTE] Who is saying this

trump supporters believed 100% in tons of news stories that were proven to be made up, and now they're going to try and harass people for believing in something that has a few people claiming it's fake. really?

4chan claimed they hoaxed the whole thing. ISIS also claimed they were behind the Florida Nightclub shooting. I don't trust either of those sources, sorry.

I can't get enough of these: [media]https://twitter.com/goldensack/status/819049653127745537[/media]

So Le Pen of France is a hard-righter openly funded by Russian interests. Miloš Zeman of the Czech Republic is a hard-righter openly cozy with Russian interests. Heinz-Christian Strache in Austria is a hard-righter who signed a cooperation pact with Russia. Donald Trump in the U.S. is a hard-righter who is in open admiration with Russia. European nations increasingly reporting cyberattacks stemming from Russia. Right-wing press and fake news is experiencing a massive surge from seemingly nowhere, supporting all these candidates and casting doubts on any allegations against them. Social media is being abused to astroturf on behalf of said candidates. I mean, honestly. Hats off to Russia for pulling this shit off.

Read the comment chain on Twitter, starting with this one (cumulative of 57 total tweets) [media]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818998378285580292[/media] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818998950455742464[/url] 6. At one point, Manafort went missing for 3 weeks. Roger Stone joked that he had been kidnapped by the Russians. This is about 2010[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818999081322196992[/url] 7. According to some members of the intelligence community, around the same time, Russia began cultivating Donald Trump as an intel asset [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818999233265053697[/url] 9. In 2011, Donald Trump starts the birther movement. Remember that whole thing?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818999314336739329[/url] 10. In 2012, Donald Trump flirts with a run for President, but he doesn't run.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819001384531963904[/url] 17. It comes out that Manafort received 12 millions dollars in an off-books ledger from the pro-Putin party in Ukraine.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819003602966450178[/url] 36. What do the documents say? That about 6 years ago (around when Trump started birtherism), they began cultivating him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819003684411449344[/url] 37. That they conspired to get leverage over him. That they preferred him to HRC.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819003751247663104[/url] 38. That they had Russian spies in the US posing as go-betweens.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819003847616045057[/url] 39. That there was high-level cooperation with Trump's campaign. Via Paul Manafort and Carter Page. Remember them?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819004379743154177[/url] 46. Paul Manafort offered Trump the Presidency if he played ball with Putin. That's what Flynn and Carter Page were for.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/819004763928858624[/url] 49. But to me this has been clear as day since Manafort signed up. He was working for Putin on Trump's behalf. Or vice versa.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/culturekills/status/819011607951003650[/media]

[QUOTE=1239the;51653137]So Le Pen of France is a hard-righter openly funded by Russian interests. Miloš Zeman of the Czech Republic is a hard-righter openly cozy with Russian interests. Heinz-Christian Strache in Austria is a hard-righter who signed a cooperation pact with Russia. Donald Trump in the U.S. is a hard-righter who is in open admiration with Russia. European nations increasingly reporting cyberattacks stemming from Russia. Right-wing press and fake news is experiencing a massive surge from seemingly nowhere, supporting all these candidates and casting doubts on any allegations against them. Social media is being abused to astroturf on behalf of said candidates. I mean, honestly. Hats off to Russia for pulling this shit off.[/QUOTE] i can see it in our history textbooks now, on timelines "the russian cyberwar", quickly followed by "world war 3"

[QUOTE=Tudd;51653041]You ever see me supporting Pizzagate like a moron on here? Cause it's basically the same thing with how outlandish and hurtful it makes the DNC look.[/QUOTE] "Rich businessman has fetishes" is not nearly as outlandish as "Hillary runs a pedophile sex trafficking operation out of a pizza shop".

[QUOTE=Blackavar;51653165]i can see it in our history textbooks now, on timelines "the russian cyberwar", quickly followed by "world war 3"[/QUOTE] WW3 triggered by trolls on 4chan claiming trump had prostitutes pee in a bed god bless

Also I love the hypocrisy of people refusing to let anyone discuss this even though we know it's not confirmed, but they are willing to believe some guy on 4chan.

There is an incredible regret in me for being so foolish in this election. My heart is incredibly heavy and defeated in my part of voting for Trump now. For the sake of this situation, I don't know whether to have Trump to deny these claims and continue to be Russia's dog or to accept them, anger Russia, and worst case scenario, go to war.

[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/michael-cohen-it-is-fake-news-meant-to-malign-mr-trump/512762/[/url] [QUOTE]Cohen said that during the time the report places him in Prague, he was actually with his son visiting USC and meeting with the baseball coach. A USC baseball source confirmed Tuesday night that Cohen and his son had visited USC on August 29th. Cohen said that he was in Los Angeles from the 23rd through the 29th of August, and that the rest of the month he was in New York. He said that his only trip to an EU country over the summer had been a vacation to Italy in July.[/QUOTE] TL;DR Cohen's part in the document is false. He wasn't in Prague like the dossier said he was, he was in Los Angeles watching USC baseball.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51653200]Also I love the hypocrisy of people refusing to let anyone discuss this even though we know it's not confirmed, but they are willing to believe some guy on 4chan.[/QUOTE] We can discuss it, it's just, what is there to discuss? If it's true then it's a bit funny, a bit worry, but the fact of the matter is that they presented that information to trump himself. If it was going to lead to any sort of secret impeachment then I would imagine he would have been left out. That being said, the people trying to get trump out are so zealous that they might just do some dumb shit like that and then try to double back.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51653159]Read the comment chain on Twitter, starting with this one (cumulative of 57 total tweets) [media]https://twitter.com/chris_baugh_/status/818998378285580292[/media][/QUOTE] [url=https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/812658154060337154]See also[/url], from the same chain, some interesting links about Trump's prior history with Rooskieland

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51653218]We can discuss it, it's just, what is there to discuss? If it's true then it's a bit funny, a bit worry, but the fact of the matter is that they presented that information to trump himself. If it was going to lead to any sort of secret impeachment then I would imagine he would have been left out. That being said, the people trying to get trump out are so zealous that they might just do some dumb shit like that and then try to double back.[/QUOTE] possible treason is more than "a bit worry"

Posted by [B]myellabella[/B] on /r/Politics: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5n8z88/megathread_intelligence_report_claims_russia_has/dc9xwjj/[/url] [QUOTE] There are deep connections between Rex Tillerson, Rosneft, Igor Sechin, and Putin. This [URL="http://riggedcabinet.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Rex-Tillerson-Research-Report.pdf"]Rex Tillerson Research Document[/URL] goes into depth on their decades long relationship. Here's some highlights: [B]*[/B] 2011: Under Rex TILLERSON, ExxonMobil Reached An Agreement With State-Owned Russian Oil Company ROSNEFT To Develop Hydrocarbon Resources In The Black Sea. [QUOTE]The Exxon-ROSNEFT agreement commits Exxon to spend about $1 billion looking for oil off Russia’s Black Sea coast, and holds the promise of sharing in the prize if it is discovered.[/QUOTE] [B]*[/B] August 2011: Exxon And ROSNEFT Entered Into A Wide-Reaching “Strategic Cooperation Agreement” Under Which The Companies Would Undertake Joint Exploration And Development Projects Throughout The World. [QUOTE]ROSNEFT and ExxonMobil have executed a Strategic Cooperation Agreement under which the companies plan to undertake joint exploration and development of hydrocarbon resources in Russia, the United States and other countries throughout the world, and commence technology and expertise sharing activities.[/QUOTE] [B]*[/B] In 2011, TILLERSON Struck A Deal With ROSNEFT, Hailed By PUTIN Ally Igor SECHIN And Chairman Of ROSNEFT As A “Giant Leap Forward… More Ambitious Than Man's First Walk In Space Or Sending A Man To The Moon.” [QUOTE]TILLERSON's biggest deal in Russia was announced in 2011 with ROSNEFT. The companies were focused on drilling for oil in three key Russian regions: the Arctic, the deepwaters of the Black Sea, and Siberia. [B]Before It Was Blocked By Sanctions, Vladimir PUTIN Called The ROSNEFT Deal “One Of The Most Important Involving Russia And The U.S.,” Forecasting It Could Generate $500 Billion.[/B][/QUOTE] [B]*[/B] Rex TILLERSON And Vladimir PUTIN Met In Sochi To Announce $3.2 Billion Investment By Exxon And Russia’s ROSNEFT To Drill In The Arctic Kara Sea, With Possible Future Investment Reaching $500 Billion. [QUOTE]ROSNEFT CEO Igor SECHIN On Expansion Of Exxon-ROSNEFT Strategic Cooperation Agreement: "The Agreements Signed Today Bring The Already Unprecedented Scale Of The ROSNEFT And Exxonmobil Partnership Up To A Completely New Level."[/QUOTE] [B]*[/B] 2014: Exxon Signed An Agreement With Igor I. SECHIN, Head Of Russian State Oil Company ROSNEFT, Weeks After The U.S. Imposed Sanctions On SECHIN. TILLERSON routinely met with PUTIN and SECHIN, the head of Russia’s state-owned oil company ROSNEFT, even after SECHIN was hit with U.S. government sanctions. Along with PUTIN and SECHIN, TILLERSON orchestrated multiple billion dollar deals to collaborate with the state-owned company on drilling operations in Russia and the United States. Joint operations in Russia have benefited the Russian Government to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. In one instance, a $1 billion investment by Exxon in ROSNEFT oil holdings in the Black Sea boosted ROSNEFT’s valuation by $7 billion. ------- From the [URL="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html"]dossier[/URL]: 1. Speaking in July 2016, a Russian source close to ROSNEFT President, PUTIN close associate and US-sanctioned individual, Igor SECHIN, confided the details of a recent secret meeting between him and visiting Foreign Affairs Advisor to Republican presidential candidate Donald TRUMP, Carter PAGE. 2. According to SECHIN's associate, the ROSNEFT President (CEO) had raised with PAGE the issues of future bilateral energy cooperation and prospects for an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia. PAGE had reacted positively to this demarche by SECHIN but had been generally non-committal in response. 3. In terms of the substance of their discussion, SECHIN's associate said that the ROSNEFT President was so keen to lift personal and corporate western sanctions imposed on the company, that he offered PAGE/TRUMP associates the brokerage of up to a 19 per cent (privatised) stake in ROSNEFT in return. PAGE had expressed interest and confirmed that were TRUMP elected US president, then sanctions on Russia would be lifted. ------- His conformation for Secretary of State is tomorrow at the exact same time as Trump's press conference. [/QUOTE] ---- Posted by [B]dudeguyy23[/B]; Summary of the leak [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5n8z88/megathread_intelligence_report_claims_russia_has/dc9lhlr/[/url] [There is more to the post, but I am just directly quoting their summary for the sake of brevity...] [QUOTE] 8+ years of communication between him and Kremlin, and 5+ year relationship of cultivating/supporting/assisting Trump by Russia. They offered him real estate deals IN RUSSIA to further ensnare him, but he declined. Russia has dirt on Trump hiring Russian prostitutes give golden showers to each other while he watched, supposedly in the room that was bugged with mics and cameras to record the event. [B]Several users mentioned that we should shift focus away from this, funny as the allegation may be, towards what really matters in this story. The allegations of bribery/blackmail/collusion with a hostile power are what have real teeth here, and what would be most damning claims if proven true. If anyone asks, I would describe those as the meat of the story in order to keep it serious instead of opening with a pee joke or something. But this is just their opinion, and I tend to agree.[/B] Detailed claims of bilateral intelligence sharing back and forth between Trump and Putin. Trump had DNC moles and used US as well as foreign hackers. Trump got info on his opponents, Putin got info on Russian oligarchs + families living in US. They used the pension system that Russian diplomats used to transfer information back and forth to/from each other as well. It mentions tens of thousands of dollars were sent in addition to the money. Russia's main goal appears to be driving wedges to cause divisions in the West. They aided Jill Stein, Carter Page and Michael Flynn (the latter two being members of Trump's team) in doing so. Main goal of DNC emails appeared to be swinging Sanders voters to Trump. Russia and Trump had a mutual agreement on the DNC hack. Russia released the emails to Wikileaks in return for Trump removing mention of Russian invasion of Crimea in favor of talking about NATO financial commitments in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Putin wanted people to stop talking Ukraine while also undermining NATO. Trump's most damning financial commitments are actually in China and other emerging markets. He's paid large bribes and kickbacks there that would've destroyed his campaign if made public. Hilariously, when Trump said he had few Russian financial investments, that was true, but he has actively sought them out only to be denied. He apparently settled for extensive sexual favors there instead Trump lawyer Cohen had clandestine meeting with Kremlin operatives in August, held in Prague to try to make it seem less suspicious. Ukrainian President that Putin installed confided to Putin he DID provide ex-campaign manager Manafort w/ kickbacks that were previously reported. Left no paper trail. Russia pissed this has gotten so much media coverage. They hoped to push for improved Russian-US relationships regardless of who was elected. Ancillary goal with Clinton was to drive her positions further from Obama's in event she won - they're happy both candidates were anti-TPP because they viewed that as bad for them. Trump has bribed Russian business interests but worked diligently to obfuscate and eliminate paper trail. Also engaged in Russian sex parties but has likewise bribed or coerced witnesses to be silent. They do believe a particular Russian businessman was intricately linked to Trump would know details. Manafort/Page/Cohen all highly compromised. They/Trump were apparently offered up to 19% stake in Russian STATE-OWNED oil company Rosneft by its president if they could successfully get Western Russian sanctions lifted. Page expressed interest in this deal, saying sanctions would be lifted. Once the sh*t started to hit the fan, Cohen was heavily involved in trying to cover up the relationship between Carter/Manafort/himself and Russia. Mentions that the Trump team AND Russia both paid Romanian hackers to help sabotage Democrats. Overall goal of electing Trump was to destabilize Western and world order in Russia's favor since he was anti-establishment and so divisive. [/QUOTE] Other Notable Links: More evidence of Russian Collusion with Trump campaign: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5n8z88/megathread_intelligence_report_claims_russia_has/dc9lwcx/[/url]

[QUOTE=Stroheim;51653216][url]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/michael-cohen-it-is-fake-news-meant-to-malign-mr-trump/512762/[/url] TL;DR Cohen's part in the document is false. He wasn't in Prague like the dossier said he was, he was in Los Angeles watching USC baseball.[/QUOTE] The reports seems to just mention August though and did not specify a specific date.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;51653278]The reports seems to just mention August though and did not specify a specific date.[/QUOTE] They specifically mention that "Cohen was in Los Angeles from the 23rd through the 29th of August, and that the rest of the month he was in New York", during the time he was to quote the article "meeting secretly with Kremlin officials in Prague". Heck, it even got verified by the coaches staff and the coach himself! I think thats a pretty specific time frame here.

This all sounds like a load of shit. At least the fake news saga has hit both sides now dramatically.

[QUOTE=Stroheim;51653300]They specifically mention that Cohen was in Los Angeles from the 23rd through the 29th of August, and that the rest of the month he was in New York during the time he was, to qoute the article "meeting secretly with Kremlin officials in Prague". Heck, it even go verifed by the coaches staff and the coach himself! I think thats a pretty specific timeframe here.[/QUOTE] Oh I misunderstood "rest of the month".

[QUOTE=Tudd;51653016]You guys are pathetic if you think this is a good thing and ever complain about fake news in the future here on out.[/QUOTE] Was wondering when you were going to show up. [QUOTE=Tudd;51653041]You ever see me supporting Pizzagate like a moron on here? Cause it's basically the same thing with how outlandish and hurtful it makes the DNC look.[/QUOTE] Truly fucking baffling that you're comparing this to pizzagate. Truely. Fucking. Baffling. Let's compare pizzagate to goldengate. [quote][B][U]Accusations:[/U][/B] PizzaGate: Hillary Clinton and John Podesta run a child sex trafficking ring. GoldenGate: Trump likes watching women piss on eachother. [I]Bravo Tudd, you compared the seriousness of a Child Sex Trafficking ring to two consenting adults pissing on eachother, well done.[/I] [B][U]How it started.[/U][/B] PizzaGate: White Supremacist users reading John Podesta's emails released by Wikileaks in early November 2016 speculated that some words in Podesta's emails were code words for pedophilia and human trafficking. GoldenGate: BuzzFeed posted a document saying that Trump was into piss. [I]Tied on this one. Both had the same start.[/I] [B][U]Timing:[/U][/B] PizzaGate: Before the election. GoldenGate: Long after the election. [I]Well done again, Tudd. Comparing a news story that hurt Clinton during the election, to a fucking meme that just hurts Trump's feelings.[/I] [U][B]Likely Intent, if proven false:[/B][/U] PizzaGate: To damage Clinton during the election. GoldenGate: To damage Trump after election. [I]Maybe you don't understand this, or maybe you do because you need reasons to complain about liberals, but there's a [B]HUGE[/B] difference between attacking a political opponent after the election, and attacking one during.[/I] [B][U]What's this fueled by?[/U][/B] PizzaGate: Undying love for Trump, undying hatred for Clinton, and/or People who mistake "free thinking" for mental retardation. GoldenGate: Memes, puns, and butthurt liberals looking for a good laugh, or a reason to shit on Trump. [I]GoldenGate isn't serious at all. At most it's damaging Trump's reputation, at average it's a good bit of comedy.[/I] [B][U]The worst that can happen:[/U][/B] PizzaGate: Some shithead with a gun fires a shot and says he's self investigating the Pizza Place. GoldenGate: Someone pours a bucket of piss on Donald Trump. [I]First one is scary as fuck, second one is pretty terrible but could be funny assuming Trump doesn't catch any diseases.[/I] [B][U]How much coverage does this have?[/U][/B] PizzaGate: MSM acknowledges the conspiracy theory, Alt-Right news sites peddle it. GoldenGate: MSM doesn't touch it, only left wing trash websites acknowledge it. Comedians will be airing this shit nonstop. [I]It's reasonable to think that they totally the same coverage if you spend all your life on the internet.[/I] [B][U]Amount of people who believe this story:[/U][/B] PizzaGate: ~10% of people, according to some polls. GoldenGate: Honest guess, less than 1%. Not many people have probably heard of it and if they did, it's just too ridiculous to be true. [I]Unless MSM goes full retard and picks up on this shit, then jesus they're totally different.[/I] [B][U]How are people dismissing this story?[/U][/B] PizzaGate: Facts, evidence, logic. GoldenGate: 4chan and wikileaks says its fake. [I]Gotta hand it to you, 4chan beats everything.[/I] [/quote]

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51653214]There is an incredible regret in me for being so foolish in this election. My heart is incredibly heavy and defeated in my part of voting for Trump now. For the sake of this situation, I don't know whether to have Trump to deny these claims and continue to be Russia's dog or to accept them, anger Russia, and worst case scenario, go to war.[/QUOTE] It might be fake, fingers crossed. More likely than not, in my opinion, trump IS under russia's foot, but less overtly than this. He probably doesn't even know it himself.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51653384]Was wondering when you were going to show up. Truly fucking baffling that you're comparing this to pizzagate. Truely. Fucking. Baffling. Let's compare pizzagate to goldengate.[/QUOTE] So are you defending pizzagate here or are you trying to make Tudd look like a goofball. Also, Tudd was here before, he linked the 4chan thread

[QUOTE=Stroheim;51653423]So are you defending pizzagate here or are you trying to make Tudd look like a goofball. Also, Tudd was here before, he linked the 4chan thread[/QUOTE] No, I'm calling out the bullshit that is comparing pizzagate to goldengate. PizzaGate is a super serious accusation that had serious consequences, GoldenGate isn't.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51653384]Was wondering when you were going to show up. Truly fucking baffling that you're comparing this to pizzagate. Truely. Fucking. Baffling. Let's compare pizzagate to goldengate.[/QUOTE] It really isn't rocket science that both are highly unlikely conspiracies that serve to defame either person terribly. And people who are ideologues on who they hate will just believe it no matter how ridiculous it sounds or atleast be happy it exists. Now I gotta say, this is your Magnus Opus of a post. I have never seen someone make an ant-hill into a mountain quite like that. Hell, you even compared the timing of the events to let us know that they didn't happen at the same time! [editline]11th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51653471]No, I'm calling out the bullshit that is comparing pizzagate to goldengate. PizzaGate is a super serious accusation that had serious consequences, GoldenGate isn't.[/QUOTE] Well there are serious allegations that are encompassed along with it. But it seems people rather seperate those two parts from one another. Because one is so outlandish and unbelievable it puts into question the rest of the allegations.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51653503]Now I gotta say, this is your Magnus Opus of a post. I have never seen someone make an ant-hill into a mountain quite like that. Hell, you even compared the timing of the events to let us know that they didn't happen at the same time![/QUOTE] Yeah because it's incredibly obvious that you're not understanding the stupidity of comparing this to another pizzagate.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51653503]It really isn't rocket science that both are highly unlikely conspiracies that serve to defame either person terribly. And people who are ideologues on who they hate will just believe it no matter how ridiculous it sounds or atleast be happy it exists. Now I gotta say, this is your Magnus Opus of a post. I have never seen someone make an ant-hill into a mountain quite like that. Hell, you even compared the timing of the events to let us know that they didn't happen at the same time! [editline]11th January 2017[/editline] Well there are serious allegations that are encompassed along with it. But it seems people rather seperate those two parts from one another. Because one is so outlandish and unbelievable it puts into question the rest of the allegations.[/QUOTE] hey man I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying it's possible that it could be true there's nothing wrong with suggesting something that's entirely unsubstantiated could be true, right Tudd? ;)

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51653520]hey man I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying it's possible that it could be true there's nothing wrong with suggesting something that's entirely unsubstantiated could be true, right Tudd? ;)[/QUOTE] I really don't care if your inner skeptic wants to believe that Trump loves golden showers in hotels where Obama was at previously. I will still call you an idiot, but go ahead and believe that until enough counter evidence puts you in the looney conspiracist category with Alex Jones. I have had my fair share of skeptical accusations on here and this one is honestly quite funny atleast. But what I don't like is this attitude of, "Who cares if it turns out fake, it was working in our favor" mentality. That I feel is harmful no matter what side you are on.

So how much of this report is actually worth talking about outside of apparently 'goldengate'.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51653531]I really don't care if your inner skeptic wants to believe that Trump loves golden showers in hotels where Obama was at previously. I will still call you an idiot, but go ahead and believe that until enough counter evidence puts you in the looney conspiracist category with Alex Jones. I have had my fair share of skeptical accusations on here and this one is honestly quite funny atleast. But what I don't like is this attitude of, "Who cares if it turns out fake, it was working in our favor" mentality. That I feel is harmful no matter what side you are on.[/QUOTE] what goes around, comes around